Maybe this gives more insight about why people are indifferent to victims of natural disasters

Barneyhill

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I was watching live coverage on youtube about the current southern California wildfires. Someone asked me why was I watching any news about the raging wildfires after all they said it isn't affecting you so why should you care?

I didn't feel like arguing because I have heard this BS from fools when I was keeping track on the news with past natural disasters. So I am not going into a long essay like explanation about why I take an interest in the circumstances that tragically affects the lives of others, but I will say this if any of you are natives of southern California and are currently affected by the wildfires I hope you will get your life and lives on your loved ones back on track in time. You are in my prayers. Take care and god bless.

Gratia Plena Counseling



The Psychology of Indifference
Blog / By Ken Buckle
What causes the psychological condition of “indifference?” Indifference or apathy is a state in which we don’t care and/or don’t take action on something happening around us. People who are indifferent can be seen as cold, aloof, disinterested, unmotivated, and lacking in passion. There may be several reasons for indifference.

One cause may be that we are overstimulated, which is easy to happen in today’s culture. We receive information on our cell phones and from all of our friends instantly any time of day or night. We are bombarded with horrible news from around the world at the very moment it occurs. On TV we can watch crime shows all day long showing the terrible things that people do to each other. All of this information can be somewhat traumatic, and so we may shut down emotionally and mentally as a coping mechanism.

Indifference may occur when the problems of our life, our families, our communities, our country, and our world may seem so overwhelming that we feel quite powerless to do anything about them. This means that even when we notice what is going on around us, we may feel unable to make a difference. Instead of trying, we simply shrug our shoulders and move on.

There can be group and bystander effects causing indifference. When we see others being indifferent and apathetic, then we may be tempted to go along with the crowd. But the opposite may also be true. The worst time and place for our car to break down is on the side of a freeway during rush hour because hundreds of people will pass us by thinking to themselves “somebody else will stop and help” or they may think “I’m not going to stop because nobody else is stopping.” Whole parishes, schools, and communities can become apathetic or indifferent as a group. Apathy and indifference are contagious.

Certain drugs such as marijuana and narcotics may cause people to be indifferent. People can also be apathetic because of illnesses such as depression or other brain disorders. However, there may be a more insidious cause.

There is good evidence that people are gradually becoming more narcissistic. We find a growing sense of selfishness in the world. Our pride and unrestrained egos cause us to place ourselves first and everybody else a far second. The result of this self-indulgence is that we are indifferent to everything else that may be going on around us. We end up not caring about the suffering of others.

In summary, the causes of indifference can vary and they are powerful. Pope Francis recently expressed his concern about a growth of indifference not just in Western cultures but all around the world. Christ challenges us to be passionate, not lukewarm (see Revelation 3:15-16). When we read the lives of the saints we may learn that they did what seemed like small good deeds, but many of these small actions have had a big effect over time. Consider the impact of the humble nun Sr. Maria Kowalska who became known as St. Faustina, delivering the simple message of divine mercy that has now spread around the world. Blessed Mother Teresa of Calcutta probably at times was overwhelmed by the suffering sick and poor all around her, but she did what she could for them with what she had.

If we become willing to do our own part of God’s mission in building His Kingdom and if we open ourselves to the movement of the Spirit in order to find what our work might be, we might see where and how we can take action on it. We don’t have to save the whole world because God has and is taking care of that. We just need to do our part. Let’s not wait for someone else to do the work. We need to believe that helping the poor and sick and marginalized is important. Let’s do it with fire and spirit. Passion is infectious.

 

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I live in Southern California, and I care about wildfires. They're tragic for those who lose their homes and belongings. But, I don't sit and watch very much coverage. My watching doesn't do them a bit of good. I feel the same about any disaster, natural or unnatural. I care, but I don't stare.

I don't have much respect for the person who said you shouldn't care.

About stopping on the freeway: My brother was a highway patrolman. He said it's dangerous to try to stop and help someone on the freeway. It's better to let them wait for someone with flashing lights.

Don
 

I’m sort of a cross between a “Christian agnostic” and a “secular humanist” . I value helping others, & I’m not as wealthy as many retirees because I spent my whole life working in the lower paid so-called “helping professions”. But sometimes the intensity and volume of publicity on overwhelming natural disasters and wartime miseries just “trips my circuit breakers “and I have to dial back to what I can handle & still function.

This leads to rationing my exposure to media, just like my ingestion of carbs, lol. Too much of either isn’t healthy for me. Not long ago I had a big decision to make & after it was done I broke out in a rash from the stress of it. Like you, Barneyhill, I’ve been around people who are disinterested in things that don’t affect them personally; once identified as such, I become disinterested in them.
 
I'm in Hollywood, California.
The ongoing "Getty Fire" is 11 miles west of here.
The ongoing "Tick Fire" is 24 miles north.
The fire in the Verdugo Mountains (hills, really) above Burbank and Glendale two years ago was 6 miles north-east.
When we lived on Riverside Drive in Glendale, a fire started in Griffith Park less than 1300 feet = 396 meters from our front door.

So we watch the fire news closely and are ready to evacuate at a moment's notice. However, the narrow twisty streets in the Hollywood Hills could be impassable if everyone is trying to leave at the same time.

Welcome to Paradise.
 
I live in Southern California, and I care about wildfires. They're tragic for those who lose their homes and belongings. But, I don't sit and watch very much coverage. My watching doesn't do them a bit of good. I feel the same about any disaster, natural or unnatural. I care, but I don't stare.

I don't have much respect for the person who said you shouldn't care.

About stopping on the freeway: My brother was a highway patrolman. He said it's dangerous to try to stop and help someone on the freeway. It's better to let them wait for someone with flashing lights.

Don
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I'm in Hollywood, California.
The ongoing "Getty Fire" is 11 miles west of here.
The ongoing "Tick Fire" is 24 miles north.
The fire in the Verdugo Mountains (hills, really) above Burbank and Glendale two years ago was 6 miles north-east.
When we lived on Riverside Drive in Glendale, a fire started in Griffith Park less than 1300 feet = 396 meters from our front door.

So we watch the fire news closely and are ready to evacuate at a moment's notice. However, the narrow twisty streets in the Hollywood Hills could be impassable if everyone is trying to leave at the same time.

Welcome to Paradise.
If I heard right the San Anna winds are suppose to increase in speed Tuesday thru Wednesday they are predicting they will be extremely high wind speeds so you are very wise to watch the news to keep track of the fire's progress. These fires are very close to where you reside. You take care of yourself and you are in my prayers. Be watchful. God Bless.
 
I think that I learned my indifference a long time ago when I realised that various groups of people - police, politicians, public officials etc.. were in many cases (I'll be very polite here) Corrupt. Yes, I do have a bit of the "I'm all right Jack" attitude, because I feel that have to take a lot of responsibility for ourselves and we can't always rely on others.

I simply can't help a lot of what is going on in the world and worrying about it isn't going to help. We are bombarded with bad news, tragedies and emotionally charged requests for money - not to mention the "illness of the month" that we'd all better get checked for.

I'll follow and show due concern for things that affect myself, family and friends, but the rest of the world will have to wait till I've got the time.
 
I think we are indifferent, because we believe others will step in and help. While we bemoan our government, we actually think they are there, in the trenches, helping out. Most of the time, the government isn't. We have been lulled to believe when a disaster happens, FEMA or somebody jumps into gear and responds within hours. That just doesn't happen. We assume that people are getting so much aid, that we can't possibly add more by becoming involved.

But unfortunately, that is far from the reality of the situation. And it's the same for charities. If we see a homeless person, we assume that he has rejected help from "charities" and chooses to remain homeless. We have the perception that "chairties' are doing miraculous things, but in truth they barely make a dent in the problem. The homeless persons remain homeless because they don't get the help we believe they are getting in adequate amounts.
 
I think we are indifferent, because we believe others will step in and help. While we bemoan our government, we actually think they are there, in the trenches, helping out. Most of the time, the government isn't. We have been lulled to believe when a disaster happens, FEMA or somebody jumps into gear and responds within hours. That just doesn't happen. We assume that people are getting so much aid, that we can't possibly add more by becoming involved. But unfortunately, that is far from the reality of the situation. And it's the same for charities. If we see a homeless person, we assume that he has rejected help from "charities" and chooses to remain homeless. We have the perception that "chairties' are doing miraculous things, but in truth they barely make a dent in the problem. The homeless persons remain homeless because they don't get the help we believe they are getting in adequate amounts.
Speaking of the homeless, there was a time in my town people would give a little money to them when they would ask for help. Here homeless men and women usually stand outside the gas stations and beg for change and with this new "let's don't give the homeless a damn thing" when they ask people walking into the service station for a little change they get a big nasty turn down. I don't know what caused this current attitude of not wanting to help them even in a minor way. I don't think these men and women enjoy being without a home.

Either way it's a sad situation.
 
I'm in Hollywood, California.
The ongoing "Getty Fire" is 11 miles west of here.
The ongoing "Tick Fire" is 24 miles north.
The fire in the Verdugo Mountains (hills, really) above Burbank and Glendale two years ago was 6 miles north-east.
When we lived on Riverside Drive in Glendale, a fire started in Griffith Park less than 1300 feet = 396 meters from our front door.

So we watch the fire news closely and are ready to evacuate at a moment's notice. However, the narrow twisty streets in the Hollywood Hills could be impassable if everyone is trying to leave at the same time.

Welcome to Paradise.
Just checking in with you are you in the clear now of the wild fires hope you doing o.k.
 
I monitor the fires as I have family living in California. I understand the indifference.."If it is not affecting ME, I am not interested. That is sad. I always am compassionate about people in disaster areas, because who knows when someday it could be me, or someone I care about.
 
I monitor the fires as I have family living in California. I understand the indifference.."If it is not affecting ME, I am not interested. That is sad. I always am compassionate about people in disaster areas, because who knows when someday it could be me, or someone I care about.
Your response is phenomenal and just what I have been waiting to read from someone .Keep caring and above all keep remembering that as humans traveling our own individual roads of life we should be caring and compassionate towards others who suffer because of circumstances they cannot control. Life offers no promises our journey will always be smooth sailing we too may suffer someday because of catastrophic events in our lives.

The opposite of love is not hate. It is indifference.”
― Wilhelm Stekel, The Beloved Ego: Foundations of the New Study of the Psyche
 
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It's impacting fellow human beings, causing them distress. I care and donate to Samaritan's Purse for specific disaster areas, including wildfires and mudslides in California. Ironically, Mississippi, while the poorest state in many respects, usually ranks above most other states in charitable giving. It's not just because it's Bible Belt and people are giving to churches. It's quite usual in our workplaces for an envelope to pass around for someone who has lost a loved one or is going through something catastrophic. At one of my jobs, a single mom went through a time where she had medication resistant hypertensive episodes so we created a call list of who was available when to drive her home, get her car home and pick her son up from school.

Marshall Ramsey, a Pulitzer nominated cartoonist and columnist in the state has a book of short stories called "Chainsaws and Casseroles" that's inspired by the story below:

The title comes from a story about a national tornado storm chaser who comes back home to his hometown after a massive storm wipes it out. He notices that before people could get out of their homes, there were church vans pulling up full of people with chainsaws and casseroles. They’d cut the trees back and then feed the survivors.​
That's how it is around here, regardless of economic status, skin color, eye color or whatever kind of pet a person might have 🙃 ...the defining factor is if a person was even halfway raised right. People pull together when there's need.
 
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It's impacting fellow human beings, causing them distress. I care and donate to Samaritan's Purse for specific disaster areas, including wildfires and mudslides in California. Ironically, Mississippi, while the poorest state in many respects, usually ranks above most other states in charitable giving. It's not just because it's Bible Belt and people are giving to churches. It's quite usual in our workplaces for an envelope to pass around for someone who has lost a loved one or is going through something catastrophic. At one of my jobs, a single mom went through a time where she had medication resistant hypertensive episodes so we created a call list of who was available when to drive her home, get her car home and pick her son up from school.

Marshall Ramsey, a Pulitzer nominated cartoonist and columnist in the state has a book of short stories called "Chainsaws and Casseroles" that's inspired by the story below:

The title comes from a story about a national tornado storm chaser who comes back home to his hometown after a massive storm wipes it out. He notices that before people could get out of their homes, there were church vans pulling up full of people with chainsaws and casseroles. They’d cut the trees back and then feed the survivors.​
That's how it is around here, regardless of race or economic status if a person was even halfway raised right. People pull together when there's need.
Wonderous just wonderful(y)
 
I care too much. It causes me a lot of depression and anger when I see these disasters that could have been prevented, and people suffering, especially little kids. I agree that narcissism is on the rise, though.
 
I care too much. It causes me a lot of depression and anger when I see these disasters that could have been prevented, and people suffering, especially little kids. I agree that narcissism is on the rise, though.
Never say you care too much. that's like throwing water on your own torch! If only someone in my immediate surroundings would say they cared about people in distress at any location on our planet. Society has changed a lot since the 1960's. An era where everyone seemed to think about the plight of others and worked over time in humanitarian causes.
No you don't care too much you are O.K.

 
I compare it to the safety briefing on an aircraft.... Fit your own oxygen mask before attempting to help others.
The reason I posted this thread is because I have heartless people in my vicinity. They will just come out plain and straight and tell you they don't care about calamity striking others as long as it isn't them.
I get sick of these type even if they fit their own oxygen masks they don't give a flying "b" about the welfare of others and they aren't going to do a damn thing to help them in the their time of need.

If it isn't the days of Noah all over again well...………..
 


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