Michigan Water Crisis-A supply OR infrastructure problem?

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I've been keeping an eye on the water contamination in Michigan. I'm still confused listening to the reports because some say it's an old lead pipe infrastructure problem and others say it's where they are pulling the water from. So is the contamination from the water supply or infrastructure?

I've worked with lead so unless it's disturbed and becomes particulate matter it's closer to safe than not. So would I be correct to surmise the contamination is from pulling the water from a different source? Did the decision makers who changed sources of water try to deflect blame by saying it was an old lead infrastructure? Problems with lead pipes would've shown up decades ago in my mind.
 

As I understand it...There is a coating inside these lead pipes to prevent lead from leaching from the pipes into the water that passes through. Water left untreated will corrode and eat away this protective inner layer. The water has to be treated with an anti-corrosive chemical. When the water system was changed from the Lake Huron/Detroit River source, to the Flint River, the new water was not treated with this anti-corrosive chemical. The chemical is not very expensive.
 
I've been keeping an eye on the water contamination in Michigan. I'm still confused listening to the reports because some say it's an old lead pipe infrastructure problem and others say it's where they are pulling the water from. So is the contamination from the water supply or infrastructure?

It appears that the water coming from the Flint River is Very Polluted, and corrosive. Without being properly treated, this water began to break down the lead in the pipes.

http://www.cnn.com/2016/01/11/health/toxic-tap-water-flint-michigan/index.html

The question which needs to be asked is...Who made the decision to switch the water source...and did someone Profit from this decision? The investigation should Start with the Flint Michigan City Council.
 

Flint was purchasing water from Detroit. As the unemployment and poverty issues ran rampant through Detroit, less folks were paying for the water being produced. Detroit Water had to raise rates substantially to their wholesale customers, Flint being one of those. Flint decided to form a consortium with a couple other neighboring communities and put together a regional water district. The time involved in developing a new water source and building treatment facilities was years. What Detroit Water got wind that Flint was going another way, they demanded either Flint commit to remain with Detroit Water long term or they would cease delivering water to Flint in something like 90 days. Flint decided to begin pulling water from the Flint River, short term, treating it and sending it into the system.
The Flint River has been a cesspool of chemical and industrial waste for decades. Discharge from manufacturing facilities before EPA regulations... storm water runoff from closed and rundown plants along the river... No one should have attempted to treat this water to where it could be safe for drinking.
The piping in Flint... in most older communities is cast iron or ductile iron. Over time a coating develops on the inside of the old cast iron. I've seen 8" diameter cast iron water lines "grown shut" to something on the order of 2" diameter. Calcium hydroxide, iron, manganese... The minerals in the water will form a coating depending on the pH of water entering the system. Move the pH too far one way and the pipes will corrode and eventually be eaten away. Move it the other way and the minerals coat the pipes. It is a constant problem that can change a plant operation from season to season and from rain to rain.
While the heavily lead laden water was being pumped through the old cast iron lines across Flint, the lead contaminated the coating that had formed over years inside the piping. There is really no way to clean out that, now lead lining, other than replacing the piping. Over time, clean water could eventually flush/wash most of the lead downstream. But, that could take years and the water would remain contaminated during that time.
So, I really don't know how the problem will be resolved without a major water line replacement. Understand, those water lines are under streets, highways, alleys, etc. The Michigan winters will probably require a minimum of 6 FT to 8 FT bury depth. So, above these water lines and under the streets you have gas lines, fiber optic cables, telephone cables, electrical cables... all having to be protected as one excavates down to the depth required for the new line installation. I would suspect that in some of the more depressed areas of the community it would be cheaper to build homes, streets, etc. elsewhere and just abandon those neighborhoods as uninhabital. Of course, that won't happen and would simply lead to additional problems.
 
GrOM. That makes more sense. A reporter on MSNBC explained it the way I said on TV yesterday. I didn't think pipes were made out of lead.
 
Years back, a lot of cast iron pipes had "leaded" joints. Lead was melted and poured into the bell/spigot connection to seal one section of pipe to the next. I do believe some leaded joints were used in water lines way back then also. However, the leaded joints were not high pressure joints so were mainly for gravity sewer lines. A lot of galvanized pipe was used in residential and commercial building water lines. It was not uncommon for lead to leach out of the galvanizing. Today, we see copper, PVC, CPVC, and PEX used for drinking water lines in building construction.
 
This didn't happen in a rich town, this happened in Flint - a poor town which was devastated by auto plants closing and has very high unemployment. They were getting Detroit water which all the suburbs get but were switched to polluted Flint River water.
 
I think if I were president, I would be so upset I'd call up the FEMA director, and tell the state to call up all of its national guard, and get them all up to Flint, MI, and start them digging (out those old pipes). I suppose it's not feasible. But that's why I'm not president. Ha!

Anyway I admit I didn't realize how bad the situation was until the primaries moved up there and the reporters started covering it in depth. Reminds me a little of the hurricane Katrina situation.
 
I keep on hearing when they switched suppliers because of cost the problems started. Well for now why not just switch back for temporary or partial relief then worry about the associated problems & issues. The cost now with emergency aid, studies etc will surpass the cost of the higher water bill. As pointed out the pipes are so messed up now they would need a flush and still need filters but if they could lower the concentration or parts per million etc they might be able to filter the water cheaper because apparently the average retail filter can't deal with this stuff.

Infrastructure is labor intensive as GOM pointed out. When they place/dig to run new pipe they can do it but they have to be careful avoiding the other utilities. For smaller lines/pipes there are machines that will push a small cable underground. They could place flexible conduit in ground then push a solid pipe in the conduit from the street to the house, that's still a time consuming task trying to redo entire neighborhoods. I know there is flexible tubing that can be used for smaller plumbing jobs I just don't know if the water company can use in a harsher environment or with higher pressures coming off their main feeder pipe. This would make redoing the individual homes easier.
 
What is the best way to donate money to these victims? Does anyone know?

Quick search I just get a gofundme site which is risky. Until you see a nationally known charity I would not donate.

For now I don't know why they don't switch back to the old water supplier even though more costly. It would be some relief anyway. The cost to rectify the situation probably far exceeds a pricey water bill.
 
Quick search I just get a gofundme site which is risky. Until you see a nationally known charity I would not donate.

For now I don't know why they don't switch back to the old water supplier even though more costly. It would be some relief anyway. The cost to rectify the situation probably far exceeds a pricey water bill.

Because they need all new water pipes as the polluted Flint River water ate away at the pipes causing something ? to leech into the water. Their former water supplier was Detroit.
 
Apparently they were in the process of switching suppliers late last year. They said it take time to switch back and flush the pipes.

http://www.mlive.com/news/flint/index.ssf/2015/10/flint_reconnecting_to_detroit.html



This is one advantage a private water utility would have over a government, larger budgets to work with for capital projects and routine maintenance & upgrades. Sometimes you lose out in price or service but we have a big national company here, actually owned through regional and local subsidiaries and they been upgrading the entire town for several years now. Plus even though private the local/state regulators could help control pricing and service.
 

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