More Than A Dozen Mass Shootings Across U.S.A. This Past Weekend

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According to World News Tonight the shootings occurred in Philadelphia Pa, several shooters, 3 dead including one suspect, many injured. Other shootings according to the map shown on WNT, occurred in Chattanooga, Tenn (14 shot, 3 killed, multiple shooters in a night club- 2nd shooting there in a week), Grand Rapids, Ecorse and Saginaw, MI, Omaha, Neb., Summerton, S.C., El Paso, Tex., Phoenix 8 shot, 14 y.o. killed at strip mall and Mesa, AZ,
chester, VA and Hempstead, N.Y. It's frustrating, frightening, disgraceful, angering, heart wrenching and so very sad.
https://www.npr.org/2022/06/05/1103141264/mass-shooting-philadelphia-chattanooga-south-carolina
 

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Funny how everybody always tries to deflect from the fact most Mass Shootings are done by white males of a certain age that either bought the gun legally (as the the Uvalde shooter did) or has easy access to guns owned by their parents. Blame everyone/thing but our culture of violence that exalts a 'might makes right' attitude.

And of course no one wants to talk about the fact that guns are the #1 cause of death for American children since 2020. Or that handguns are responsible for more deaths than assault weapons. We really don't know the true number of children killed in handgun 'accidents' a year because:
1) Mass media does not cover them the same way they do Mass shootings, they generally stay local stories -- statewide at most and
2) Different jurisdiction list them differently in crime stats. But bottomline is when a prepubescent child has access to a loaded gun SOME adult was irresponsible with that gun.

Yes many of the teen and adult handgun deaths are suicides, but there are a lot of domestic disputes that end with a gun death too. A lot of both those things can be attributed to the stigma we still attach to mental health issues while at the same time so few states have Red Flag laws that would limit who could legally own them.

None of the facts about hand gun deaths mean ARs in private hands are a good thing. They are horrific and guess what? Gun makers have designed a much more powerful AR for the military, would be very expensive for non-military (apparently a contract was just awarded to purchase them for military) right now, but once they start cranking them out the price will come down. If Uvalde coroners had to do DNA tests to ID bodies a shooting with this new weapon will probably require sorting out body and brain bits scraped off floors, walls, desks in schools to ID not only individual victims but figure out how many. We have about 2 years before they will be somewhat available if we allow ARs to continue to be acceptable for just anyone to buy.

Gun laws do work not only in many other countries but the state of Massachusetts has lowered its gun death rate since instituting better regulations. Not banning or confiscating all guns, just making sensible laws about them.
 
i'm going to post this video here for those who have trouble or just don't want to read long posts like my #5 one even tho i broke it up some. As usually an intelligent comedian has interesting take, and as someone born/raised elsewhere perhaps a clearer perspective on how we react to these shootings. Judging by his hair which he let grow out while filming from home during pandemic, this may have been before most recent wave of mass shootings.

 
Why do you suppose that the World News Tonight/ NPR wrote this story now? Every weekend in America has carnage going on in most large cities, this has been the norm for years, sad but true. Yet this weekend is highlighted, they bring crimes from all over together in one article? Why I wonder? Maybe because the recent shooting in Texas has gained steam with the National Media and the crowd in Washinton DC. So, news agencies like WNT/ NPR capitalize on the Texas tragedy, to shall we say, sell newspapers (old fashioned term for making money off of headlines). Of course, the facts may or may not be a bit overblown or off a bit, but the results are the same....
 
feywon said:
i'm going to post this video here for those who have trouble or just don't want to read long posts like my #5 one even tho i broke it up some. As usually an intelligent comedian has interesting take, and as someone born/raised elsewhere perhaps a clearer perspective on how we react to these shootings. Judging by his hair which he let grow out while filming from home during pandemic, this may have been before most recent wave of mass shootings.

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Wow! How very accurate.
 
feywon said:
i'm going to post this video here for those who have trouble or just don't want to read long posts like my #5 one even tho i broke it up some. As usually an intelligent comedian has interesting take, and as someone born/raised elsewhere perhaps a clearer perspective on how we react to these shootings. Judging by his hair which he let grow out while filming from home during pandemic, this may have been before most recent wave of mass shootings.

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Video unavailable in my country :(
 
feywon said:
Funny how everybody always tries to deflect from the fact most Mass Shootings are done by white males of a certain age that either bought the gun legally (as the the Uvalde shooter did) or has easy access to guns owned by their parents. Blame everyone/thing but our culture of violence that exalts a 'might makes right' attitude.

And of course no one wants to talk about the fact that guns are the #1 cause of death for American children since 2020. Or that handguns are responsible for more deaths than assault weapons. We really don't know the true number of children killed in handgun 'accidents' a year because:
1) Mass media does not cover them the same way they do Mass shootings, they generally stay local stories -- statewide at most and
2) Different jurisdiction list them differently in crime stats. But bottomline is when a prepubescent child has access to a loaded gun SOME adult was irresponsible with that gun.

Yes many of the teen and adult handgun deaths are suicides, but there are a lot of domestic disputes that end with a gun death too. A lot of both those things can be attributed to the stigma we still attach to mental health issues while at the same time so few states have Red Flag laws that would limit who could legally own them.

None of the facts about hand gun deaths mean ARs in private hands are a good thing. They are horrific and guess what? Gun makers have designed a much more powerful AR for the military, would be very expensive for non-military (apparently a contract was just awarded to purchase them for military) right now, but once they start cranking them out the price will come down. If Uvalde coroners had to do DNA tests to ID bodies a shooting with this new weapon will probably require sorting out body and brain bits scraped off floors, walls, desks in schools to ID not only individual victims but figure out how many. We have about 2 years before they will be somewhat available if we allow ARs to continue to be acceptable for just anyone to buy.

Gun laws do work not only in many other countries but the state of Massachusetts has lowered its gun death rate since instituting better regulations. Not banning or confiscating all guns, just making sensible laws about them.I
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Where are you getting your data? Really, it contradicts what is shown on responsible news programs. It is interesting to watch how many "reporters" claim a gunman shot the Texas kids but in other shootings it is a white supremacist who shot people so facts are important, not just a bias opinion.
 
OneEyedDiva said:
According to World News Tonight the shootings occurred in Philadelphia Pa, several shooters, 3 dead including one suspect, many injured. Other shootings according to the map shown on WNT, other shootings occurred in Chattanooga, Tenn (14 shot, 3 killed, multiple shooters in a night club- 2nd shooting there in a week), Grand Rapids, Ecorse and Saginaw, MI, Omaha, Neb., Summerton, S.C., El Paso, Tex., Phoenix 8 shot, 14 y.o. killed at strip mall and Mesa, AZ,
chester, VA and Hempstead, N.Y. It's frustrating, frightening, disgraceful, angering, heart wrenching and so very sad.
https://www.npr.org/2022/06/05/1103141264/mass-shooting-philadelphia-chattanooga-south-carolina
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"Those who don't learn from the past are doomed to repeat it."

There was a reason why towns all over the country made people leave their side arms with the Sheriff when they came into town. It was just too easy for someone to reach for a gun at the slighted provocation, and here we are again only now we have high-capacity semi-automatic weapons that were originally designed and intended for actual combat. Now they are in the hands of people who should never have them. Eliminating background checks, eliminating waiting periods and all this other craziness has taken American society to a very bad place. The lessons from all these mass shooting should be clear to everyone by now. Sadly, they are not and to me that is disgusting to me.

I was in the military for 31 years of active duty and I see no reason for any civilian to own an AR-15 or any other weapon like that including semi-automatic pistols with high-capacity magazines. I have owned firearms all my life, revolvers, bolt action rifles, and simple shotguns. I have had to give up target shooting, because these days the target stands are simply chewed up by idiots standing 15 feet in front of them and spraying bullets everywhere. My brother in California tells me that he sees the same thing out there.

Like most people, I am leery of getting trapped in a restaurant or shopping mall by a crazy person with a gun. To make matters worse, if there are other customer around who do have a gun, I already know that it is very likely to be a cheap little inaccurate thing that they never practiced with, and they just carry with the illusion that they are ready to defend themselves. So now we have multiple sources of flying bullets.

Count me out. I am staying home and not spending money these days. Eventually the politicians may get the idea that not having viable gun control is hurting the economy.

There was a time when the NRA was focused on gun safety, but not anymore. They have "gone off the rails."
 
Happy Heart said:
Where are you getting your data? Really, it contradicts what is shown on responsible news programs. It is interesting to watch how many "reporters" claim a gunman shot the Texas kids but in other shootings it is a white supremacist who shot people so facts are important, not just a bias opinion.
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You and i may have different ideas of which shows are 'responsible'. And i never said ' white supremicists' just that most Mass shooters are white males, just like most serial killers. Suggest you look at @FlaSkyEye's post 'A Pathological Insight into Mass Murderers. '

In the hundreds of mass shootings in my lifetime there haven't been many that were not relatively young white males. The Long Island Train shooter was Black, the Virginia Tech shooter was Asian the Uvalde shooter Hispanic and there have been a couple of women, altho women generally seem to have some semblance of a personal motive more so than many of the guys.


As for facts, i use my my eyes and common sense and don't let news hype work me up. Facts can be hard to come by when police talk to media too soon and end up making way too many changes that indicate they were trying to slant the narrative the way they did in Uvalde. I wait and get info from variety of sources before i form my opinions.
 
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Pinky said:
Video unavailable in my country :(
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Sorry about that. I always wonder when someone gets that message if its only unavailable when they try to reach it via a third party link or if it would be unavailable if they went direct to YouTube? It was a Trevor Noah Between the Scenes thing titled The "Impossible" Gun Conversation.
 
CarolfromTX said:
How many of these shootings were gang related? Drug related? Carried out by felons who were let out of jail on the no bail policy? How many were illegal immigrants? Had a history of violence? And how many were in the NRA? The guy who goes hunting on the weekend is not the person perpetrating these crimes.
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Do your homework! Was the Uvalde school mass murder gang related or by released felons or by illegals? Was the Buffalo massacre? Was the killing of 9 Black church members who welcomed the killer to worship with them, not knowing his evil intent? Was the Columbine shooting? And how about Sandy Hook and the Las Vegas massacre perpetrated from a hotel, killing 58 concert goers? Lets not forget Virginia Tech and the El Paso Walmart murders? I invite you to read @feywon's replies (#13 & #6)
 
We all are very well aware of the problems here via the hyped up media. I guess you might just want to discuss it. And you have every right to . I'm just sick of it all.
 
Happy Heart said:
Where are you getting your data? Really, it contradicts what is shown on responsible news programs. It is interesting to watch how many "reporters" claim a gunman shot the Texas kids but in other shootings it is a white supremacist who shot people so facts are important, not just a bias opinion.
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Where does @feywon get her data?! I've known her for a long time and she is one of the most well read, rational researchers of many subjects as I've ever known. Am I saying people shouldn't research on their own...no. So perhaps you should do some more on your own. Don't underestimate the impact White Supremacists are having on our society. They've been empowered further by 'you know who" and Homeland Security has flagged them as one of the biggest terror threats to our country. Homeland Security's PDF report is included in the first paragraph of the article.
https://www.cnn.com/2020/10/06/poli...sts-dhs-homeland-threat-assessment/index.html
 
Happy Heart said:
Where are you getting your data? Really, it contradicts what is shown on responsible news programs. It is interesting to watch how many "reporters" claim a gunman shot the Texas kids but in other shootings it is a white supremacist who shot people so facts are important, not just a bias opinion.
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I'd like to get my news from responsible news programs. Can you recommend some?
 
Pecos said:
"Those who don't learn from the past are doomed to repeat it."

There was a reason why towns all over the country made people leave their side arms with the Sheriff when they came into town. It was just too easy for someone to reach for a gun at the slighted provocation, and here we are again only now we have high-capacity semi-automatic weapons that were originally designed and intended for actual combat. Now they are in the hands of people who should never have them. Eliminating background checks, eliminating waiting periods and all this other craziness has taken American society to a very bad place. The lessons from all these mass shooting should be clear to everyone by now. Sadly, they are not and to me that is disgusting to me.

I was in the military for 31 years of active duty and I see no reason for any civilian to own an AR-15 or any other weapon like that including semi-automatic pistols with high-capacity magazines. I have owned firearms all my life, revolvers, bolt action rifles, and simple shotguns. I have had to give up target shooting, because these days the target stands are simply chewed up by idiots standing 15 feet in front of them and spraying bullets everywhere. My brother in California tells me that he sees the same thing out there.

Like most people, I am leery of getting trapped in a restaurant or shopping mall by a crazy person with a gun. To make matters worse, if there are other customer around who do have a gun, I already know that it is very likely to be a cheap little inaccurate thing that they never practiced with, and they just carry with the illusion that they are ready to defend themselves. So now we have multiple sources of flying bullets.

Count me out. I am staying home and not spending money these days. Eventually the politicians may get the idea that not having viable gun control is hurting the economy.

There was a time when the NRA was focused on gun safety, but not anymore. They have "gone off the rails."
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You entire post is insightful and I agree with so much that you've said, especially with your military background and all that you've seen. This one really resonates because I feel exactly the same way: "I was in the military for 31 years of active duty and I see no reason for any civilian to own an AR-15 or any other weapon like that including semi-automatic pistols with high-capacity magazines." Thank you for your input MDB.
 
feywon said:
Funny how everybody always tries to deflect from the fact most Mass Shootings are done by white males of a certain age that either bought the gun legally (as the the Uvalde shooter did) or has easy access to guns owned by their parents. Blame everyone/thing but our culture of violence that exalts a 'might makes right' attitude.

And of course no one wants to talk about the fact that guns are the #1 cause of death for American children since 2020. Or that handguns are responsible for more deaths than assault weapons. We really don't know the true number of children killed in handgun 'accidents' a year because:
1) Mass media does not cover them the same way they do Mass shootings, they generally stay local stories -- statewide at most and
2) Different jurisdiction list them differently in crime stats. But bottomline is when a prepubescent child has access to a loaded gun SOME adult was irresponsible with that gun.

Yes many of the teen and adult handgun deaths are suicides, but there are a lot of domestic disputes that end with a gun death too. A lot of both those things can be attributed to the stigma we still attach to mental health issues while at the same time so few states have Red Flag laws that would limit who could legally own them.

None of the facts about hand gun deaths mean ARs in private hands are a good thing. They are horrific and guess what? Gun makers have designed a much more powerful AR for the military, would be very expensive for non-military (apparently a contract was just awarded to purchase them for military) right now, but once they start cranking them out the price will come down. If Uvalde coroners had to do DNA tests to ID bodies a shooting with this new weapon will probably require sorting out body and brain bits scraped off floors, walls, desks in schools to ID not only individual victims but figure out how many. We have about 2 years before they will be somewhat available if we allow ARs to continue to be acceptable for just anyone to buy.

Gun laws do work not only in many other countries but the state of Massachusetts has lowered its gun death rate since instituting better regulations. Not banning or confiscating all guns, just making sensible laws about them.
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So well presented as usual Feywon! Thank you for your insightful input with much food for thought. Well for those capable of rational thinking anyway.
 

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