Devi
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Regarding natural immunity versus vaccines, this video is short but sweet:
Passing thoughts concerning Covid. A. There have been 40+ Million cases of Covid in the US. Since one of the side effects is lack of oxygen.
Yes. Look up "natural immunity" — how and why that occurs.B. Heard the reasoning, 'That since I had Covid, I'm now immune', has medical science agreed to that?
Me too.I would be very interested to hear how long natural immunity lasts compared to the results for vaccines.
Thanks, @Lawrence Nobs for the excellent explanation!There are 4 proteins in covid. The vaccine is meant to give a person a "head start" to fight it off by recognizing the covid spike, one of the 4, and this is a good idea.
A person that has had to face covid, and live through it, has antibodies for all 4 proteins, plus other intelligence which has been gifted to us by thousands of years of evolution.
This protection is far superior to the vaccine, though corporate profiteers and political donors do not wish for that to be common knowledge.
The American Red Cross clearly stated on their website that if someone has had a vaccine shot and not full evolutionary antibodies, that they are unable to use their blood for plasma to save the lives of critical covid patients. They need the full power of natural antibodies.
At 18 months out I still had natural antibodies. The American Red Cross has stopped informing donors of the antibody tests, I think it was July, and my viewpoint is that it was because of political pressure.
however the red cross also states if you have had covid they are unable to accept your blood more than 6 months after covid since natural immunity is all over the map as far as how long it lasts . we know people who got covid 2x in a year pre vaccination .There are 4 proteins in covid. The vaccine is meant to give a person a "head start" to fight it off by recognizing the covid spike, one of the 4, and this is a good idea.
A person that has had to face covid, and live through it, has antibodies for all 4 proteins, plus other intelligence which has been gifted to us by thousands of years of evolution.
This protection is far superior to the vaccine, though corporate profiteers and political donors do not wish for that to be common knowledge.
The American Red Cross clearly stated on their website that if someone has had a vaccine shot and not full evolutionary antibodies, that they are unable to use their blood for plasma to save the lives of critical covid patients. They need the full power of natural antibodies.
At 18 months out I still had natural antibodies. The American Red Cross has stopped informing donors of the antibody tests, I think it was July, and my viewpoint is that it was because of political pressure.
“Vaccinated people are at risk of the new variants and transmitted. It’s been proven in different countries so vaccinated people should be put in quarantine and should be isolated from society. Unvaccinated people are not dangerous; vaccinated people are dangerous to others. It’s proven in Israel now, where I’m in contact with many physicians in Israel. They’re having big problems now; severe cases in hospitals are among vaccinated people. And in the UK also, you had a larger vaccination program and also there are problems.”
You make a good point. Have you seen the original study? If so could you post a link? I'd be interested.you have to take the israeli studies with a grain of salt since they arrive at conclusions with very small groups , usually just a particular hosptal or organization .
I read it a while ago but I am sure it is all over as the media loves anything negative about the vaccinesYou make a good point. Have you seen the original study? If so could you post a link? I'd be interested.
And some like the flu are every year ….shingles is actually the chicken pox virus no longer being kept in check by the bodyI'll have to search some links but I heard a couple of docs say natural immunity if there has somekind of memory in T or or B cells. Apparently those vaxxes using the mrna don't have the same effect.
I will say having many of the diseases or viruses they vax for now i haven't had an issue in at least half a century
Ok I'll agree about Israel being a small country. So, Let's use someplace like India as an example.you have to take the israeli studies with a grain of salt since they arrive at conclusions with very small groups , usually just a particular hosptal or organization .
we have almost as many people in nyc as their whole country .
small group samples can be almost random results .
remember Israel said vaccinated spew less viral material then unvaccinated by 8 to 10x .
then the providence study here proved that false .
they said we spew the same .
but the providence study was flawed too .
they never went the extra step to actually culture the virus and see if over a few days there was a difference in potency between being vaccinated and not .
well doing that showed a big difference . the virus in the vaccinated turned sickly over the next few days losing a lot of effectiveness as a virus .
so yeah , the amount of viral material spewed may be the same but odds of being very sick are greatly reduced as the vaccinated virus is showing it lost some of its potency
“So for hydroxychloroquine, I agree, but unfortunately there are not many randomized studies. But for ivermectin, there were randomized studies, and now it’s been proven. And in India now, it’s spectacular. In the Indian states where they widely used ivermectin, the success was huge, and in the states of India where they didn’t use ivermectin but they were inoculating with this so-called “vaccine”, it was a catastrophe.
If you look at the world news, there’s a woman who was at a high level in the WHO, who’s Indian, and now she’s on trial in India because she said that ivermectin was not useful and was toxic and so on.
To think that ivermectin is toxic is completely stupid: hundreds of millions, maybe billions of people in the world have taken ivermectin for diseases, for filariasis and so on. So it’s a very well-known product. No, it works; it’s completely proven.“
I think I found the study https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.08.24.21262415v1.full.pdf It was based on a few more than 100,000 people, not a bad sample size. Not as many as other studies, but still respectable.I read it a while ago but I am sure it is all over as the media loves anything negative about the vaccines