Nutjobs Redux: "Southport Stabbings Are the Knife's Fault"

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I can report that the Government and their media lackeys have finally worked out what the problem is!
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By all means, let us use the brutal deaths of children to score political points and exert more authority over the masses at the same time.

What's the next scapegoat? Staplers? Teeth and fingernails?

I thought we were finally past such BS.
 

This is an great example of "alternative media" showing that it's no better from the so called "mainstream media".

Are you in favor of dangerous people in our society being able to easily buy weapons, with which they then go on to kill children? I suspect no. So that's what is being talked about here.

As for Musk, we can't discuss politics here, but his actions were plain stupid.

By the way, a knife isn't a knife. If you look at what's for sale, it's worth questioning. And no-one is ignoring all the other aspects, he's asserting they are because they spoke specifically about knife sales. That's just propaganda and wholly untrue.
 
dilettante said:

By all means, let us use the brutal deaths of children to score political points and exert more authority over the masses at the same time.

What's the next scapegoat? Staplers? Teeth and fingernails?

I thought we were finally past such BS.
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As long as there are Youtube videos to suck in the gullible with sensational come ons for profit, the BS will flow unabated.
 
dilettante said:
What was untrue about what he said in the video, Comrade?
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He asserts that authorities are only concerned with the retail of knives. This is entirely incorrect. In fact, he mentions the other ways the guy has been considered dangerous, but then goes on to ignore that to assert his ridiculous rant. The title of the video is 100% incorrect, supported by the facts of the situation.

Konstatin is a Russian commentator looking for attention, which he does by taking extreme stands.
 
The guy was sentenced to 52 years in prison and not likely ever getting out. It was a system that failed, when multiple reports on this guy... went without action.
 
VaughanJB said:
Are you in favor of dangerous people in our society
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dilettante said:
While quoted out of context, those words are the real point.
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deletante, I doubt any SF members are "in favor of dangerous people in their society". And I won't minimize the tragic, horrific Southport stabbings. A sickening event.

There can be myriad stories behind how someone becomes a rage-filled dangerous person. But I'll propose that a dangerous person can be even more death-dealing with a Glock in a hand or two, or with an assault rifle plus an abundant ammo supply.
 
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But I'll propose that a dangerous person can be even more death-dealing with a Glock in a hand or two, or with an assault rifle plus an abundant ammo supply.
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But it isn't about guns, those are pretty heavily regulated there much as knives are now. And even retailers who sell knives are under attack.

The opinion piece isn't advocating for knives, but suggesting that governments are making people unsafe by coddling criminals and other dangerous elements on the verge of criminality.

What are you defending?!

 
dilettante said:
But it isn't about guns, those are pretty heavily regulated there much as knives are now. And even retailers who sell knives are under attack.

The opinion piece isn't advocating for knives, but suggesting that governments are making people unsafe by coddling criminals and other dangerous elements on the verge of criminality.

What are you defending?!
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I listened to Konstatin's video. Its title is ridiculous... few people would claim it was "the knife" that was the culprit in the Southport case. Any chef's array of tools (or the average home kitchen) could offer a wide selection.

Many SF members are Americans. I'd contend we can't infer from the message in his video's title that the existence of Glocks and assault rifles has no important part in the mass shootings in the U.S. Shootings using those have been almost innumerable in the last couple decades.

My viewpoint is that dealing with nut cases—or if/when possible, preventing their development as such—is nowadays an unfortunate task for governments. But isn't it reasonable that it's also the job of government to limit the possibilities for individuals (aside from military and police personal) to obtain the sort of weapons I've mentioned?
 
There are 100,000's out there off their meds cause they don't wanna. Thas whats wrong.
Mental institutions closed up but looking great there mt. Thas what's wrong!
Sure there is a crazy floor on many hospitals, people defecating on them selves and RN's going nuts too.
 
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JBR said:
I listened to Konstatin's video. Its title is ridiculous... few people would claim it was "the knife" that was the culprit in the Southport case
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Nonsense. That is exactly what government and the media claim, that Amazon is a weapon that needs regulation.

This is clearly a base political move.
 
JBR said:
I listened to Konstatin's video. Its title is ridiculous... few people would claim it was "the knife" that was the culprit in the Southport case. Any chef's array of tools (or the average home kitchen) could offer a wide selection.

Many SF members are Americans. I'd contend we can't infer from the message in his video's title that the existence of Glocks and assault rifles has no important part in the mass shootings in the U.S. Shootings using those have been almost innumerable in the last couple decades.

My viewpoint is that dealing with nut cases—or if/when possible, preventing their development as such—is nowadays an unfortunate task for governments. But isn't it reasonable that it's also the job of government to limit the possibilities for individuals (aside from military and police personal) to obtain the sort of weapons I've mentioned?
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There's an ever growing base of nut jobs seeking the power and ego comfort of having and using weapons. Responsible government has to act to provide for Public safety.
 
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The unconditional thing is club, Piece of hardwood, not a ballpeen hammer.
Muggings fractured skulls always a happening with stabbings too..
 
It seems to me that Konstantin Kisin in the OP video is being extremely selective in regards to what has been discussed publically in the UK Parliament, and by some politicians outside of Parliment. I find it fascinating that some are prepared to spend the time listening to and watching videos of someone's selective opinions of someone else's selected opinions.

The government & parliament have discussed many things in regard to this horrific incident, including a call to bring back capital punishment. The Prime Minister saying the state had failed. Another politician raised the point that the UN convention on children’s rights stopped Britain from being able to impose unlimited sentences on under-18s. The government saying, “We share the public’s disgust at the extent of the crimes here, and we, as the defence secretary said this morning, don’t want to see this man ever coming out of prison. And that’s a view shared by the government.”

The defence secretary, John Healey, going on to say, "We owe it to those victims to consider and then deliver the changes that their memories deserve... ...the prime minister has made it clear that nothing is off the table.”

Then there is the call for a public inquiry, with a spokeperson for No. 10 saying they hoped the public inquiry into the Southport stabbings would move “as quickly as time allows”.

From the age of 13, and over a 4 year period, the killer was under the care of Alder Hey Children's National Health Service (NHS) Foundation Trust, for mental health support. However, he ceased engaging with their services in February 2023. The NHS has welcomed an inquiry regarding their involvement.

At the age of 13 he had contacted 'Childline', saying he has a desire to harm someone with a knife. He said, "What should I do if I want to kill somebody?" This led to police involvement, where he then admitted taking a knife to school. He was then permanently excluded from Range High School in Formby.

Lets not forget the mention how this has sparked a parliamentary review into how the counter-extremism program, that the killer was referred to multiple times before the attack, failed to intervene effectively. And much, much more has been discussed, including the National Health Service involment with the killer.

Then we have reports of people getting up in court and walking out during the reading of the details of the incident, not being able to face listening to any more of it. I won't post too many details here. Who knows, perhaps some in court felt physically sick!

With all this in mind, who would then think of posting someones video called, "Breaking News: Southport Stabbings Are the Knife's Fault", and posting it for the purpose of what. To use it to bait people perhaps. Linked to an incident where it was reported that one of the children was stabbed at least 122 times. It's not a typo.
 
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deletante, I doubt any SF members are "in favor of dangerous people in their society". And I won't minimize the tragic, horrific Southport stabbings. A sickening event.

There can be myriad stories behind how someone becomes a rage-filled dangerous person. But I'll propose that a dangerous person can be even more death-dealing with a Glock in a hand or two, or with an assault rifle plus an abundant ammo supply.
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I see an increasing number of people being radicalized every single day online. Social Media and doom scrolling, aided by simplistic algorithms, are being groomed all the time. Yet we don't tend to see our own radicalization. Rage, fear, anger, hatred - they're the tools used to turn people against their country and institutions. It's really sad.
 
In Germany our politicians are much more clever. We have "no knive zones" in parts of the cities. But unfortunately the knives don't care, nor do their wearers:ROFLMAO: .

And the police is not allowed to control it on people with dark skin, since this would be racism, because nearly all of the attackers have a dark skin. In fact only the German "Kartoffeln" ("potatoes", a derogative term for white Germans coined by a Turkish man living in Germany), or the "Hunderasse" ("dog breed", also a derogative term, coined by a Turkish official in sports for the biological Germans) are stolen a possibility for self-defense. Only white Germans, even old women, are frisked by the police. This happened several times at the Christmas markets last year.

If our government finally would grok that law enforcement has nothing to do with race or religion. But no hope.

Perhaps you may know the last mortal stabbing some days ago. A "refugee" from Afghanistan killed a two-year-old boy and a 41-year-old man, who wanted to protect the nursery school group with the minors in the park of Aschaffenburg (Bavaria).
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/32950533/boy-two-killed-stabbing-germany-nursery/

Now it is known that the killer has attacked his ex-lover with a chop knife. But although he should have left the country long ago, he was still in Germany and killed the boy and the passer-by. (Below a link to an article in German on the attack against his ex-lover).
https://www.nius.de/kriminalitaet/n...geliebte/78fe67c2-ccc5-48c8-9a3e-b6b57aeaeb0b

This is not an exception, it is the rule. Almost all attackers and stabbers are well known to the police for some or even a long time. Their right of asylum was denied but they are still here and nothing happens until they kill people in the end.

I am completely sick of this as most of the Germans.

By the way: The newest explanation of this horrific crime is, that the killer was not welcomed and loved enough by the German society. In other words: The society is to blame for his attack. I am not kidding.
 

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