NYC jury deadlocked in Daniel Penny subway chokehold death
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According to your second sentence, you have come to the conclusion that Chauvin knowingly killed Floyd. This was never proven. According to the autopsy report, Floyd was loaded with Fentanyl and also had coronavirus at the time of death and heart disease, but the coroner testified that the diseases did not contribute to his death. It has been proven that the coronavirus does effect the respiratory system and also the nervous system and other organs.It’s interesting how we all see things differently, maybe that’s why we have juries.
I see Derek Chauvin as an experienced law enforcement professional that knew exactly what he was doing to George Floyd and I see Daniel Penny as a young inexperienced Good Samaritan who went too far.
The coroner ruled that the main cause of death was a lack of oxygen due to the neck compression applied by the police officer. Michael Baden, a well known forensics coroner, also testified that the main cause of death was lack of oxygen to the brain, even though there were several underlying conditions.
The U.S. Supreme Court denied hearing Chauvin’s case when he applied for a new trial. It’s been very difficult for many other coroners to believe that the underlying conditions did not contribute to Floyd’s death. Dr. Andrew Baker, who performed the autopsy on Floyd testified that although heart disease and Fentanyl contributed to Floy’s death, the main cause was the neck compression.
There have been several different reports by other coroners that stated different reasonings for Floyd’s death. Will we ever know exactly what the cause of death was? I find all of this very confusing and I have never seen a case with so many different opinions.
As for Chauvin, he has not had an easy time of it while in prison. On one occasion he was nearly beaten to death. I was under the impression that offenders who were considered at risk were housed separately from the general population. I guess that was untrue.
Derek Chauvin had been taught to use the hold he was using when dealing with a large, resisting criminal. It wasn't actually a knee on the neck but the upper shoulder muscle. Floyd's autopsy showed zero injury to the throat but a heart attack due to fentanyl overdose. Chauvin and the others had tried talking and pleading with Floyd for over an hour before Floyd kicked his way out of the back seat of the cruiser and begged to be put on the ground instead.It’s interesting how we all see things differently, maybe that’s why we have juries.
I see Derek Chauvin as an experienced law enforcement professional that knew exactly what he was doing to George Floyd and I see Daniel Penny as a young inexperienced Good Samaritan who went too far.
Daniel Penny had been taught the chokehold as part of his Marine training. Of course he knew it was deadly. He jumped immediately to a deadly hold without one single moment of verbal attempt to de-escalate the situation.
I once had a man come into the credit union where I was working, yelling and screaming that he was going to kill us all. My co-workers claimed to have been terrified. I went up to him and talked to him for awhile and he calmed down. If I, a110 pound woman, can do that why couldn't Penny have given it a try?
ETA Crossposted with 911 I'm talking about the very first autopsy report, not what the coroners testified to on the stand.
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I don’t believe that it was Chauvin’s intent to kill Floyd.
I believe that it was his intent to show off to the other two officers and cause Chauvin to blackout and I believe that arrogant grandstanding resulted in Floyd’s death.
I also believe that there is plenty of blame to go around and that if Floyd had complied with law enforcement he would be alive today.
I’m not looking to change anyone’s mind, I’m just stating my opinion based on the information that I’ve seen.
I believe that it was his intent to show off to the other two officers and cause Chauvin to blackout and I believe that arrogant grandstanding resulted in Floyd’s death.
I also believe that there is plenty of blame to go around and that if Floyd had complied with law enforcement he would be alive today.
I’m not looking to change anyone’s mind, I’m just stating my opinion based on the information that I’ve seen.
I think that may be true and I also think Daniel Perry may have intended to show off for the people on the subway.
Such intentions are not crimes.
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HermitHogan
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Penny was trained to kill in the Marines. He knew exactly what he was doing.It’s interesting how we all see things differently, maybe that’s why we have juries.
I see Derek Chauvin as an experienced law enforcement professional that knew exactly what he was doing to George Floyd and I see Daniel Penny as a young inexperienced Good Samaritan who went too far.
The choke hold is taught during boot camp in the Marines. I don’t know if it is today or not. It can be used to only make the victim lose consciousness. The longer or tighter the hold, the more severe the results, including death. Marines are also taught counter measures to get out of a chokehold or lessen the fighter’s grasp. It was part of the martial arts program taught at that time.
In today’s society ;
Even if 2 men are engaged in a fight and 1 of the men can put a chokehold on his victim and he is only put into a state of unconsciousness, he could be charged with felonious assault and/or attempted murder, depending on who started the fight.
Murrmurr
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Murrmurr
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Listening to badge-cam recordings on the day, the other passengers felt threatened by Neely, and some stated they feared for their lives when Neely said he was "going to kill someone".
I believe Daniel Perry intended to help his fellow passengers, not put on a show for them.
Most people will attempt to get out of a chokehold and unless they have been trained to do so, they could add to their own demise.
During basic training, we saw a few men pass out from attempting to release themselves from the chokehold. It is a very serious movement that can kill a person within minutes. The brain can only go without oxygen from 4-6 minutes.
At 4 minutes, the person can obtain permanent brain damage. After 6 minutes, the person could likely be facing death. It depends on the amount of pressure being applied during the chokehold.
Several police departments have now decided not to use the chokehold. What Derek Chauvin did was use his knee to apply the pressure, which is extremely dangerous. This method of using the knee used to be taught by some police departments.
HermitHogan
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Daniel Penny will be JD Vance’s guest at the Army-Navy football game in Maryland.
CooCooforCoCoPuffs
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...vulnerable and marginalized residents".
After looking at what this low life did all HIS life I don't consider him qualified to be a vulnerable and marginalized resident anywhere except a prison or mental hospital/home.
I was on a subway one day in Washington DC and someone got on the subway who was clearly dangerous to herself and everyone else. Had she scared me much more...and the nine year old across from me sitting on the seat cowering in fear...I'd have taken her out.
And I am not a Marine: probably would have hurt myself in the process. Am proud of Penny...not enough citizens in the world today, like him, who would put themselves on the line to help everyone else these days.
It isn't the responsibility of a "City" to help this citizen.
Drug addicts living on the street and the mentally incompetent are the same: unable to care for themselves. Therefore they need to be put in a place where they are not a harm to either themselves or others going about normal lives.
These people's lives are not normal for competent people.