Obama authorizes updating our nukes!

ALL countries have things in the past [and some in the present] to be ashamed of.Sometimes we have to band together though to put down a greater evil. WW2 was one such time. The Muslim extremist threat is another.Here in the Uk we have never had the 'my country right or wrong' mentality and do accept that politicians often behave in a wrong way for a situation, however the ISIL problem needs ALL countries to do their bit to rid Iraq, Syria and anywhere else, before it grows out of control.We are glad that the US continues to have a good relationship with the UK and long may it continue.
 

oakapple said:
ALL countries have things in the past [and some in the present] to be ashamed of.Sometimes we have to band together though to put down a greater evil. WW2 was one such time. The Muslim extremist threat is another.Here in the Uk we have never had the 'my country right or wrong' mentality and do accept that politicians often behave in a wrong way for a situation, however the ISIL problem needs ALL countries to do their bit to rid Iraq, Syria and anywhere else, before it grows out of control.We are glad that the US continues to have a good relationship with the UK and long may it continue.
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And I'm sure it would surprise you to hear that the majority of Americans are NOT of the "My Country Right or Wrong" mentality either. We have some pretty big battles here about policy and politics.. We are pretty divided right now in what the direction of America should be going. BUT.... I think you will find that we are NOT very receptive to the constant carping and belittling of OUR country by foriegners... allies or not. I know it grips the heck out of me. Worry about your own faults and we will deal with ours. It's not unlike any big family.. we can fight amongst ourselves.. and often do.. but outsiders need to be very careful.. I've noticed that the Brittish here are quick to take offense and defend Britain.. It' only natural..
 
I've noticed that the British here are quick to take offense and defend Britain..

Only when the likes of you keep knocking us, which you have done a few times.
 

Rather bewildered by your post Quicksilver, as I was not attacking the US or taking offense about anything said about the UK.
Just remarking that we should stick together to rid ourselves of a common evil [ISIL.]Alo that all countries do things now and again that we are not proud of.We are not so patrotic here, [nobody puts a flag on their house] although I know not everyone in the US does either. We don't start the day with patriotic prayers or sayings either. Nothing wrong with any of that, just that we view our goverment with a bit of a jaundiced eye.Nobody should fall out on here becuase we are all different and view things from a differing perspective.
 
oakapple said:
ALL countries have things in the past [and some in the present] to be ashamed of.Sometimes we have to band together though to put down a greater evil. WW2 was one such time. The Muslim extremist threat is another.Here in the Uk we have never had the 'my country right or wrong' mentality and do accept that politicians often behave in a wrong way for a situation, however the ISIL problem needs ALL countries to do their bit to rid Iraq, Syria and anywhere else, before it grows out of control.We are glad that the US continues to have a good relationship with the UK and long may it continue.
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I agree Oakapple, the powers that be in our countries have all done things past and present that we cannot be proud of. I never had the my country right or wrong attitude, I am open-minded in learning about all that goes on by politicians and financial interests in America, good or bad.
 
QuickSilver said:
You REALLY REALLY love anything you can find to put America in a bad light.... Don't you ..lol!!!

No... It hasn't changed a thing for me... the USA did not commit any atrocities... IF.. and I mean IF it's true.. that's bad.. but doesn't mean the US condoned anything. What's your point anyway? Just to bitch about the US? You are sounding like a one hit wonder.

So I need to ask, not to be snarky.. but out of curiousity.. Are you a Communist? If so that would explain your sympathetic feelings toward Putin, and would be more comprehensible to me.. If not then I have to assume you are just anti-American.. not unlike many citizens of the Crown.
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No I don't like doing this because I'd rather we had a world where there is peace and respect for one another and a willingness to get along and no countries had to worry that some other group was going to lay waste to their lands. But I think it's critical that we the voters don't close our eyes to the abuses of any of our governments. Apparently you don't share the same opinion. Governments are there to SERVE THE PEOPLE not their rich and powerful friends. What do you think the Occupy Movement was all about? The fact that you can read the links that I've supplied (???) and not have any issues with the American governments meddling and manipulations is a tragedy. It's an ongoing tragedy for the civilians of Syria, Ukraine, Iraq, Libya.....and if things continue the way the US is pushing Russia, it may very well be a tragedy for the world if and when WW3 begins.

And while the US might not be shooting at those burning people in the Odessa massacre, they support that group of individuals with money, aid and whatever, so they are morally culpable. From the article: "...How intimately involved US officials have been in Kiev’s “anti-terrorist operation” is not known, but certainly the administration has not been discreet. Before and after the military campaign began in earnest, Kerry, CIA director John Brennan and Vice President Joseph Biden (twice) visited Kiev, followed, it is reported, by a continuing flow of “senior US defense officials,” military equipment and financial assistance to the bankrupt Kiev government. Indeed, American “advisers” are now “embedded” in the Ukrainian Defense Ministry. Despite this essential support, the White House has not compelled Kiev to investigate either the Odessa massacre or the fateful sniper killings of scores of Maidan protesters and policemen on February 18–20, which precipitated Yanukovych’s ouster...."http://www.thenation.com/article/180466/silence-american-hawks-about-kievs-atrocities


Do you know what I did this morning? I sent off four emails to my government. Three of them were to do with some rabbi who is best bud's with our Foreign Affairs Minister, John Baird, who saw to it that even though the Rabbi's little community centre didn't meet the 'strict' criteria needed in order to get grants, he got the $1,000,000.00 check that he asked for anyway. What's more, the project apparently didn't even meet safety standards, nor was it up to snuff as far as their project plans and financial disclosure was concerned. I complained to my government about that because those are my dollars being handed out to his cozy little group of friends and it's not right that government 'friends' get preferential treatment. (Oooh, do we smell a good reason for the Occupy Movement in this scenario?). Three departments heard from me on that one. The other one had to do with the very atrocities that Kiev has and is perpetrating against the Ukrainian civilians over the past year or so. I communicate with my government. Do you? Ever? (http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news...project-of-bairds-dear-friend/article4106544/ Conservatives take VERY good care of their friends don't they?)

And no Quicksilver, I am not a Communist. But I am a human being on this planet and I read constantly, with an open mind and a willingness to learn. And what your country does comes back to bite the world on the butt if it isn't righteous so I bring it to the attention of people because like I said to you once before, WE are the only brakes those bozo's have.
 
SeaBreeze said:
I agree Oakapple, the powers that be in our countries have all done things past and present that we cannot be proud of. I never had the my country right or wrong attitude, I am open-minded in learning about all that goes on by politicians and financial interests in America, good or bad.
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I absolutely love that you've said what you said SeaBreeze. Like I have said recently to someone else here, we the people, are the brakes of the politicians and if we don't work (communicate and hold their feet to the fire), we are letting our country and the world down.
 
QuickSilver said:
And I'm sure it would surprise you to hear that the majority of Americans are NOT of the "My Country Right or Wrong" mentality either. We have some pretty big battles here about policy and politics.. We are pretty divided right now in what the direction of America should be going. BUT.... I think you will find that we are NOT very receptive to the constant carping and belittling of OUR country by foriegners... allies or not. I know it grips the heck out of me. Worry about your own faults and we will deal with ours. It's not unlike any big family.. we can fight amongst ourselves.. and often do.. but outsiders need to be very careful.. I've noticed that the Brittish here are quick to take offense and defend Britain.. It' only natural..
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You know, when the old adage of 'America sneezes and the whole world catches a cold' is no longer a useful phrase, then no one will care what your country does. But the truth of the matter is that your economic and military and energy and food policies do affect the world, sometimes for the good and sometimes for the bad, and if the US is going to 'manage' the other countries as they go, then you better get used to 'foreigners' criticizing. And in turn, you can criticize my government for their abysmal stance on the environment and dirty oil and ignoring science to the detriment of the entire planet. You don't even need my permission (although I give it willingly) because frankly that is your responsibility too. After all, you live on this planet and have to drink the water and breath the air.
 
QuickSilver said:
And I'm sure it would surprise you to hear that the majority of Americans are NOT of the "My Country Right or Wrong" mentality either. We have some pretty big battles here about policy and politics.. We are pretty divided right now in what the direction of America should be going. BUT.... I think you will find that we are NOT very receptive to the constant carping and belittling of OUR country by foriegners... allies or not. I know it grips the heck out of me. Worry about your own faults and we will deal with ours. It's not unlike any big family.. we can fight amongst ourselves.. and often do.. but outsiders need to be very careful.. I've noticed that the Brittish here are quick to take offense and defend Britain.. It' only natural..
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Don't mean to be snarky here, but why should we be careful? Will you bomb us?
 
Debby said:
Don't mean to be snarky here, but why should we be careful? Will you bomb us?
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Of COURSE you don't mean to be snarky... who would EVER THINK THAT. Yes Debby.. I personally will bomb you.. I will rent a flippin F16 and bomb you. Do you not see how silly your comment is? If you were unable to ascertain the context of the entire paragraph.. then I really don't know what to tell you. Other than you have proven my point perfectly. :)
 
QuickSilver said:
Of COURSE you don't mean to be snarky... who would EVER THINK THAT. Yes Debby.. I personally will bomb you.. I will rent a flippin F16 and bomb you. Do you not see how silly your comment is? If you were unable to ascertain the context of the entire paragraph.. then I really don't know what to tell you. Other than you have proven my point perfectly. :)
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Guess your 'kidding' detector is not working QuickSilver. I was joking you know.

You need to relax a bit.
 
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Seriously though Quicksilver, I'd like to take a minute to just tell you that I appreciate that you've been willing to listen and chat a wee bit about all of this stuff. Once upon a time, I might have had the same reactions if someone had engaged in criticism's of my government. But to your credit, you've not just abandoned the thread as some might. So kudo's to you and I hope you have a nice evening and weekend! It's Friday and time to chill right? Have a good one.

Also to all the folks, I'd like to apologize if I've offended anyone with my zeal. My only excuse is that I feel the world is in perilous times and I wouldn't feel good about myself if I was silent and something terrible happens. And if nothing terrible happens, then the jokes on me I guess right? Anyway, sorry to all.
 

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