Profiling: How do you feel about all your spending habits being tracked, used and sold?

horseless carriage

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We all know supermarkets use information about our shopping habits to target us with personalised vouchers and offers – but how would you feel about sitting down to watch a movie and being confronted with adverts based on what was in your shopping a few hours earlier?
Or what would you think about your supermarket using its loyalty card database to check what you are eating, and possibly offering vouchers for salad and fruit if your basket is usually groaning with unhealthy items? These are just two of the ways the supermarket giants make use of the data they gather on us.

For every loyalty point or coupon that your supermarket dish out, they gobble up a huge amount of information about our shopping habits. We are all familiar with targeted offers linked to loyalty cards, but you might be surprised at the amount of data the big retailers collect on all of their shoppers – and even potential customers – and what they do with it. If you have opted out of taking out a loyalty card because you don't want "Big Brother in your shopping basket", then too bad, because the supermarkets also track debit and credit card payment data and till receipts – so someone, somewhere, knows about that bottle of wine you bought at 12.28pm on Tuesday, and that you recently switched your brand of athlete's foot cream.

Harvesting our personal details goes further, much further. The technological giants have become masters at it, everything from *cookies* on your computer/phone/gizmo to your home and email address. Facebook CEO Mark Zuckerberg gave access to sensitive user data to dozens of app developer friends, according to thousands of leaked documents. Companies were also given incentives to share their data with Facebook, while those that did not were shut out and denied access. If you think that is underhand you should check out Google.

Banks track us when we spend on our cards as do so many others. What I find so repugnant is when you use any sort of tactic to avoid all this tracking and find yourself demonised. Take the point of using cash. Cash is slower, it's unhealthy, it caries the covid germ, we will be cashless before long. I don't mind being cashless but I bet we can't buy a card that is anonymous on which we can load so much money for spending use.

Finally, the favourite argument often put up is: "What have you got to hide?" To which I reply, "Why do you want to know?" I don't want my personal details, stored, shared, bought and sold, that's why I pay with cash, why I clean all the cookies every time I log off and why I use Duck Duck Go instead of Google.
 

It's not just the tracking of our spending or our internet searches these days but also the tracking of our movements with cameras on the street, in stores, etc...

I don't mind the loss of privacy as long as the people monitoring my activity continue to use some discretion.

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"1984 was not supposed to be an instruction manual." - Unknown
 
I feel very strongly about not having a cashless society... I just mentioned it elsewhere.

I'm as guilty as most using a debit card at the supermarket for big purchases, but I try where possible to use cash for smaller purchases, and yes even sometimes if I have larger notes which now is becoming less and less... I will pay by cash for larger items.

We know we're being followed wherever we go..on the internet, in the road... and even where there are no govt /police scurity cameras, our neighbours have them.....and our motorways are the same with speed cameras following your every move..

Further, our smart phones give away our movements wherever we are... 1984 is here in Spades...


https://papltd.co.uk/top-10-countries-and-cities-by-number-of-cctv-cameras/
 

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You are just scratching the surface on this topic my man.
This is the business I was involved in for 10 years 1996-2006
The stuff we had 15 years ago would blow you away. We developed a loyalty card system that would recognize you when you walked into a retailer. The store know what you bought. The system would be able to send you an text suggesting this shirt that would go with the sweater you bought last week.
We had neural network datamining software that would get smarter on you when ever you bought something.
Information to manufactures was gold. Cosmetic companies wanted to know what product a 57 year old Hispanic woman was looking at or what was important to that 18 year old girl.
Google tracks everywhere you go. They sell micro marketing to retailers in larger cities. That would be like Joe's diner texting everyone about there lunch special that was within 1500 feet of their location. Health department can use your cell phone info for contact tracing for covid. They track movements of festival attendees to where they go home and if that caused an outbreak.
Companied would buy your data to enrich what info they have on you to develop special offers for credit cards, autos, etc. Every purchase you made, your credit rating, what car you drive, what cities you visit, what you eat, is all compiled into a database and offers are formulated based on that info. The neural network intelligence was developed for the military to track incoming missiles and ICBMs to predict targets and direction which was fed into the missile defense system.
We developed the use of RFID on your merchandise and smart refrigerators to let you know what product you need to buy and what was going bad by expiration date.
I could keep going on an on. It's scary. I use a faraday bag among other things for my phone.
This technology is used by the FBI to completely block a cell phone from the network. Do a search on Faraday bags.
You cellphone is still tracking where you go even when turned off.

Anyway, I don't have time to elaborate more as I could do a core dump for hours on what technology is out there.
 
Thank you for your responses, it is enlightening, and so very scary too. I am minded of John Ruskin when he said: "There's no such thing as a free lunch." All the offers, all the freebies come down to one thing, we the spending public are the product.
 
The problem with using a Faraday Bag to stop your Phone being tracked.. is that the very second you open the bag, any apps you have downloaded onto your phone will immediately give away your position...

Here's some things people may not know their phone ( iphone or android) knows about you....

https://www.rd.com/list/things-smartphone-knows-about-you/
The reason I use a faraday bag is to block the location tracking. The contact tracing is evil.
I don't take my phone into stores or church. It is in a faraday bag in my vehicle.
 
I think they got disinterested in me awhile back

I'd hate to be the one tracking/logging me;


'He's still in the door hinge section'

'He's still in the door hinge section'

'He's still in the door hinge section'

'He bought three hinges'

'He's bringing back three hinges'

'He's in the door hinge section'

'He's still in the door hinge section'

'Wait.....He's moved to the wood screw section'

'Now he's back in the door hinge section'

'He's still in the door hinge section'
 
Also,
Any smart TV, or anything like a personal assistant is listening to you 24/7.
Why anyone would have one of those is beyond me.

And facial recognition software! Don't get me going on that. That's why I won't post pictures of myself on this forum or any social media platform. All the bio's on me have a picture from 14 years ago.
Can't hide from that completely as my picture is on file with the state from my drivers license and the FBI has my picture and prints even because I have a conceal carry license in 38 states.
 
It is what it is. Truthfully, I never give it much thought. Possibly if I were a man of great wealth, I'd be concerned that my bank account would be stripped clean or some other such horror but if they want to send me an ad for a different brand of milk than the one a bought yesterday, I can survive that.

And similar to Gary's post, if they choose to "follow me around", I hope they enjoy the places I visit, otherwise "they?" are in for some looooong days.
 
There is so much information collected on a daily basis about individuals...if you only knew your head would spin. If you protect your phone, you have to protect your laptop, your TV and any technology which relies on satellite signals. At any given moment any government can produce a dossier on an individual.

One point to consider, should you be in a coma and lying somewhere and you have your phone in a faraday bag, makes it a bit difficult for you to be rescued.
 
To me the question is how much would you pay to gain back control of your privacy regarding your spending and location? Would you be willing to pay $20 a month for an internet browser that does not keep track of your activity ? Keep in mind that such a browser would probably not allow for bookmarks, auto fill ins, cookies and such so you would have to enter the www address all the time along with your password to sites. Would you be willing to pay extra money to an ISP that would not give out your browsing information unless requested to do so by law enforcement ? Would you be willing to pay $10 a month to use a service such as Google Maps that would guarantee your location history would not be sold ? I am not saying that it isn't alarming how much of what we do online is tracked but "free" comes with a cost and we are paying everytime we do use a free service, even something as benign as Gmail. Personally, I am fully aware of that cost but it does not bother me but I certainly understand the concerns of many.

As far as "shopper loyalty cards" go, it is a trade off of not using them and not getting a savings on groceries (and gas at my store) versus the savings. I chose to use the cards but understand why someone would not want to. As the OP stated, this is nothing new. Remember the coupons from the cereal boxes you or your parents mailed in to get some special free offer ? Name was put on a mailing list. Did you list your phone number and address in the White Pages ? That information was public information. Again, not dismissing the ease of how companies can now track our spending and location habits but if you wish to control what is shared but still want the technology that is offered, then there will be a cost.

Sorry for the ramble but it is a topic that I do find interesting. The one thing that I do think is very troubling is that Google, FB, your ISP, local grocery store, etc are not very forthright about how much information is shared or sold to other agencies. I do think there should be some type of legislation which makes it easier for consumers to know what is shared.
 
My Bold.... Sorry for the ramble but it is a topic that I do find interesting. The one thing that I do think is very troubling is that Google, FB, your ISP, local grocery store, etc are not very forthright about how much information is shared or sold to other agencies. I do think there should be some type of legislation which makes it easier for consumers to know what is shared.


Agree wholeheartedly ...
 
"Privacy" disappeared a long time ago. If you use the Internet, or have a smart phone, use a credit/debit card, etc., your movements, purchases, internet activity, etc., etc., are all available to almost anyone, or any company. No matter what measures you might take to protect your personal information, the companies, government, and "hackers" will eventually find a way to work around it. The Only way to protect your finances, etc., is to assume that every unsolicited "contact" is out to fleece you, and take all necessary precautions before responding to any communications you receive.
 
Once again I don't understand the big deal about this. It's just so they can help you find what you're looking for. You're buying it anyway. What diff does it make if they try to sell it to you. The ads are basically virtual flyers. I'm not bothered by it. If someone cares how much tp I purchase each month...whatever. It's not like they're rooting around in all my personal business. It's no different than say...Margaret from next door seeing you purchase bras or something. And offering you info on where to get a good bra at a good price.
 

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