Retiring in two weeks, what should I do with my $10,000 401K

Eric Hardy

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I am retiring in two weeks (I am 62.75 years old) and will have a small 401K from my employer now. I am wondering what the best thing would be to do with it? I know I can just leave it where it is, or I can roll it into an IRA that I create.I could also roll it into a new ROTH IRA that I could create but I would have to pay the uncollected taxes when I do so. My question is, what does everyone think I should do to maximize my account but keep it safe. Thank you!
 
Congratulations on your impending retirement!

Long term the best bet is a US stocks, index fund. If you're comfortable w the company that has the account now stay there or go to Vanguard or Fidelity. I think you can do it all online.

An example of a fund from Vanguard would be:

VTSAXVANGUARD TOTAL STOCK MARKET INDEX
 
I can't give professional advice but I'd just let it ride, and maybe rebalance the funds in it if you have some losers in there.

Some plans may let you convert from a 401K to a Roth 401K, which probably isn't as much work as trying to go through an IRA, but it would have the same tax burden. When it makes sense depends on your tax situation, but watch out for the coming rollback of the tax cuts we got a while back.
 
Hi Eric
Congratulations on your pending retirement. There is nothing like it! You are just going to love retirement.
About your 401k, depending what company your 401k is with, I would probably just let it ride. That's what I did with mine. I retired 2 years ago, also at 62, and just kept it the same at Fidelity. About keeping it safe, my 401k has a guaranteed fund that will not go down. It doesn't earn as much as some of the other funds, but it is safer. I have my money in mutual funds. I have heard good and bad about them, but for me they are manageable.

I was talking to a former boss a couple of day ago and he is getting out of the stock market altogether. He is buying CDs that are paying 5% interest. So I guess it's what you feel comfortable with.

Good Luck!
 
Yeah, it can get messy.

Rolling over into Roths means you pay taxes now. But if those Roths have market exposure, an extended market drop can hit you a second time.

As for CDs in the 5% range right now, most of those seem to be short-term like 9 months to a year. I'm not sure I can see investing in CDs with a term much less than 3 years, or maybe even much more than 3 years. So many rolling dice!

On top of it it appears that the tax cuts are going to be allowed to expire. That makes waiting to rollover a bigger tax problem, especially if you need to do it in chunks to avoid skewing your tax liability for any single year.

But I'm not an accountant or anything.
 
NYT- from an article 12/23/23, sorry I'm out of free articles

"As of June, job changers had left behind nearly 30 million 401(k)s or similar retirement accounts worth an estimated $1.65 trillion, according to Capitalize, a technology company that offers an online platform to help transfer 401(k) accounts. But in the aftermath of the pandemic “great resignation,people who have left small 401(k)s with their former employer can find those accounts seriously diminished — or even completely drained — when plan sponsors roll that money over to individual retirement accounts with high fees and low-yielding investments.

Since 2001, this kind of transfer could happen to any 401(k) or similar workplace account with a balance between $1,001 and $5,000. But starting Jan. 1, provisions in the Secure 2.0 retirement act will raise the balance for an automatic rollover to $7,000 — an adjustment that will expose an estimated 800,000 additional workers with low-balance accounts to involuntary rollovers. About 8.1 million of these forced I.R.A.s already exist.

“When the rollover limit goes to $7,000, it’s going to be somewhere north of $1.5 trillion that are being frittered away by this inefficient system,” said Spencer Williams, chief executive officer of Retirement Clearinghouse, a firm that helps transfer old 401(k)s to workers’ new plans.
The law governing retirement accounts allows the sponsoring employers to have the plan administrators move inactive, small-balance 401(k)s and similar defined contribution accounts out of their plans in order to escape the cost of record keeping and sending notifications to ex-employees who may not have left a forwarding address."
 
This guy is a bit too far right-wing to make everyone here comfortable, but if you ignore his opinion videos he is pretty hard-headed about retirement planning advice:



I watched a minute and 20 seconds of it. First of all, he blew it on the figures. If it's $749.81, he should have rounded up to $750, not rounded down to $749. :LOL: Gas is $3.99 a gallon. My husband used to say Oh I paid $3 for gas. I'd say no you didn't...you paid $4 ! :LOL: And the average SS benefit is way more than $749. I retired very early (age 50), was a lower wage earner for 1/2 my working years and I get way more than that!
This is from Bankrate's site:
"As of August 2023, the average check is $1,705.79, according to the Social Security Administration – but that amount can differ drastically depending on the type of recipient. In fact, retirees typically make more than the overall average."
 
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I watched a minute and 20 seconds of it. First of all, he blew it on the figures. If it's $749.81, he should have rounded up to $750, not rounded down to $749. :LOL: Gas is$3.99 a gallon. My husband used to say Oh I paid $3 for gas. I'd say no you didn't...you paid $4 ! :LOL: And the average SS benefit is way more than $749. I retired very early (age 50), was a lower wage earner for 1/2 my working years and I get way more than that!
This is from Bankrate's site:
"As of August 2023, the average check is $1,705.79, according to the Social Security Administration – but that amount can differ drastically depending on the type of recipient. In fact, retirees typically make more than the overall average."
wife makes around $900 a month on SS
 
wife makes around $900 a month on SS
My mother only got $600 a month but that's because she didn't pay into the system for a good portion of her working life. Believe it or not she lived well on that. She never wanted for food, with the PAAD plan she only paid $5 for each of her meds. She had beautiful clothes and though she wasn't much for travel, she'd go on bus rides when ever she could. She lived in a nice public housing senior building (after I had them transfer from the one that started going down) and only paid $200 a month for rent. She had an adequate savings as well that she didn't need to touch after my father died.
 
Congratulations on your impending retirement!

Long term the best bet is a US stocks, index fund. If you're comfortable w the company that has the account now stay there or go to Vanguard or Fidelity. I think you can do it all online.

An example of a fund from Vanguard would be:

VTSAXVANGUARD TOTAL STOCK MARKET INDEX
I totally agree for the long-term and I'm heavily invested in index funds as well. Short-term, with the market being at an all-time high due to good economic fundamentals it might be an expensive time to buy. At some point we know there will be a correction that will drive stocks lower. That may the time to invest.

But, as you said, for the long-term stocks and index funds are the best investments. They will be up some years and down others but they typically return 8-10%. I've been in the market for over 30 years and I'm very satisfied.
 
@Eric Hardy, congratulations on your retirement! I also retired at 62. One item that you didn't mention is Social Security. I also had a 401k invested in stocks, and to me it made more sense to start taking Social Security at 62 rather than taking money from my various investment accounts. The money I could earn in the market would be substantially more over 8 years than the increased Social Security payments I would have received if I had waited until 70. Take that into consideration as well when you look at your overall financial situation.

Enjoy your retirement! For me, I haven't looked back.
 
There is content in these videos that is against forum rules, they need to be taken down!
Yes, I started to watch the first video and I was thinking I might agree with him on Social Security vs. investing. I stopped when he started demeaning Joe and Jill Biden. That is clearly not allowed in this forum.
 
If you are likely to live a long life, rolling over to a Roth might pay off in the long run because you'll never have to pay taxes on your principal and earnings after the initial payment. I can't know those figures, so that's something you might want to sit down and figure out, or have a financial expert do it (fee based, not commission based who'll try to get you to buy their product). The main thing is do your homework and make sure to roll over within the penalty free time period.

Someone mentioned Vanguard. I didn't like that brokerage and I've used many. Their website was not user friendly and transactions that should have been easy were unnecessarily complicated. I transferred my account(s) into Schwab and am very satisfied with them. They have hundreds of no fee funds, including from other companies and trading them is very easy. If safety is your thing and you want to buy CDs, research which ones have the highest interest and go for it. Do so before the rates start dropping, due to start taking place sometime in 2024.

Update: Using the conversion calculator @HoneyNut linked in reply #22, may be even better.

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I totally agree for the long-term and I'm heavily invested in index funds as well. Short-term, with the market being at an all-time high due to good economic fundamentals it might be an expensive time to buy. At some point we know there will be a correction that will drive stocks lower. That may the time to invest.

But, as you said, for the long-term stocks and index funds are the best investments. They will be up some years and down others but they typically return 8-10%. I've been in the market for over 30 years and I'm very satisfied.
A couple ways to look at it. OP may be in stocks already and this is just moving it from one location to another, so it might not be dropping a fresh 10K into the market.

2ndly I read a report on a study that showed only one time in the last 4 or 5 decades that putting a big lump sum into the market didn't diminish returns except for 1 time over a short time span like 5-10 yrs. I can't recall but that might have been when the dot com bubble burst. If one doesn't feel comfortable they can dollar cost avg into the market over a year, for instance.

As to SS it's gaining ~8% for every year that you delay AND that's compounded by cost of living increases as well. I'm pretty sure OP isn't going to live off the 10k for very long so I'm suspecting there's perhaps another pension or equivalent in the picture.


And OP hasn't been back so there's that.
 
What do you find objectionable there, that the videos are offering information about 401Ks and Social Security? Maybe you are referring to the second video?

That is a conservative guy making a point to everyone including his fellow conservatives that some of their arguments against Social Security are flawed.

I can't edit my post any more, but feel free to report it. Just be sure to provide timestamps for the objectionable content or the request to take it down is hard to process.
What do I find objectionable? He starts off by demeaning the Bidens and Kamala Harris. No need to provide a timestamp because he starts right off in his video.

And BTW, he is completely wrong re: investments vs. Social Security. Before the thread gets taken down, I'm sure he invested in Trump NFTs. ;)
 
A couple ways to look at it. OP may be in stocks already and this is just moving it from one location to another, so it might not be dropping a fresh 10K into the market.

2ndly I read a report on a study that showed only one time in the last 4 or 5 decades that putting a big lump sum into the market didn't diminish returns except for 1 time over a short time span like 5-10 yrs. I can't recall but that might have been when the dot com bubble burst. If one doesn't feel comfortable they can dollar cost avg into the market over a year, for instance.

As to SS it's gaining ~8% for every year that you delay AND that's compounded by cost of living increases as well. I'm pretty sure OP isn't going to live off the 10k for very long so I'm suspecting there's perhaps another pension or equivalent in the picture.


And OP hasn't been back so there's that.
Yea, I figured he was a drive-by but it is always interesting to discuss finances (without politics).
 
what does everyone think I should do to maximize my account but keep it safe
I'm going to assume you will have enough pension + social security income to not need the money in the 401k for any essential expenses. I'd also expect, since you have not yet retired, that your current tax rate is higher than your future tax rate. I think you'd want to run a calculator tool to try to determine whether/when a rollover to a Roth would make sense.

Here is a link to one, but I don't know how this calculator compares with others:

Roth IRA Conversion Calculator

If you have enough guaranteed retirement income, then I'd guess you can be pretty aggressive with the money in the 401k. I rolled my 401k to a traditional IRA, but I'm not sure that is a good choice for others.

A normal investment approach would would be something like an 80/20 or 60/40 allocation and rebalance annually. If you have a lot of risk tolerance, then maybe you would like a leveraged S&P500 choice like UPRO. But, at least in my experience, just to buy one little share of UPRO resulted in Fidelity website making me respond to a popup where I had to attest to being an experienced investor. I'm not, but sheesh one share.
 
A couple ways to look at it. OP may be in stocks already and this is just moving it from one location to another, so it might not be dropping a fresh 10K into the market.

2ndly I read a report on a study that showed only one time in the last 4 or 5 decades that putting a big lump sum into the market didn't diminish returns except for 1 time over a short time span like 5-10 yrs. I can't recall but that might have been when the dot com bubble burst. If one doesn't feel comfortable they can dollar cost avg into the market over a year, for instance.

As to SS it's gaining ~8% for every year that you delay AND that's compounded by cost of living increases as well. I'm pretty sure OP isn't going to live off the 10k for very long so I'm suspecting there's perhaps another pension or equivalent in the picture.


And OP hasn't been back so there's that.
You make good points though I wonder how a brokerage handles a 401K that contains several different investments. 🤔 I do know that a regular 401K can't be rolled over into a Roth.

According to his profile, the OP was here 4 days ago.
 
You make good points though I wonder how a brokerage handles a 401K that contains several different investments. 🤔 I do know that a regular 401K can't be rolled over into a Roth.

According to his profile, the OP was here 4 days ago.
They can sell the individual funds and then buy the equivalent to replace or the investor could choose other funds/CD's/etc at their discretion.
 
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