Russian Military Endangers Commercial Air Traffic over Baltic

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What's wrong with Pootie?? Does he need attention??

http://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/russia-denies-miss-baltic-skies-27586929


Russia's Defense Ministry on Sunday denied Swedish claims that for the second time this year a Russian military aircraft had nearly collided with a passenger jet over Sweden, insisting that the two planes were never less than 70 kilometers (42 miles) apart.
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Scandinavian Airlines, which was operating the commercial flight, also said the incident had been blown out of proportion and that no danger had been posed to Friday's flight from Copenhagen to Poznan, Poland.
Swedish military officials raised the alarm on Saturday by announcing that the Russian intelligence plane, which had turned off its transponders to avoid commercial radar, had come dangerously close to colliding with the passenger jet.
"This is serious. This is inappropriate. This is outright dangerous when you turn off the transponder," Swedish Defense Minister Peter Hultqvist said on Swedish radio.

Sweden's air force chief, Maj. Gen. Micael Byden, said Saturday that the incident in international air space looked "pretty serious" and the commercial flight was immediately ordered to change course, but he said it was not as serious as in March when a Russian plane flying without transponders came within 100 meters (300 feet) of another SAS plane that had taken off from Copenhagen.
Russia has increased its military presence in the Baltic Sea area as tensions with the West have spiked over the conflict in Ukraine. NATO also has air patrols over the Baltic Sea and rotates NATO military units in and out of member countries in the region.
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http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-...an-fighter-flew-within-30-meters-us-spy-plane

So a US surveillance plane is flying off the coast of Russia in April and doesn't bother mentioning that they are buzzed by a Russian military plane until June? Okay well that's weird isn't it. Also odd that the Pentagon official who announced it had no explanation for why they didn't mention it at the time. Interestingly too, I haven't been able to find any other mention of that so-called March event until now, except of course the one where the Pentagon mentions the event that supposedly occurred back in 'April'?

And then when Russia is accused of nearly colliding with a passenger jet by Sweden, the airline that is flying the plane says they were never that close and that no danger was posed. And yet, the propaganda is spinning the tale as endangerment, near misses......

I'm reminded of when America claimed they had proof that Russia had invaded Ukraine and never came up with that proof. I once looked at a satellite image of my neighbourhood and I could actually see my two horses in the field next door and I could tell that one is white and the other a bay. And yet there are no images of columns of tanks, trucks, etc. but the story remains.
 
So what? What else would the airline say? They don't want people to stop flying with them because of that RED menace.... Pootie just wants to be noticed and feared... What else has he got? His economy is in a shambles... and he's got to prove to his people he's a tough guy.
 

Actually I fully expected that kind of response. My suspicion grows stronger by the day that you don't read links but I'm going to supply a few more anyway.

Here is one more good reason to test everything that comes from government (and I include my own governments advisories in that). I came across this link:

http://freebeacon.com/national-security/collision-course/

A government official by the name of Kenneth deGraffenreid, a White House Intelligence officer, claimed that Russia had shot down 70 American airlines since 1940. Well, I went on a search and I came up with a couple of links that talked about the total number of planes shot down since 1930, and after reading through both of them, it became apparent that Russia had brought down....are you ready for this.....2. Yes, two planes and neither of them were American. One was a Korean plane that refused to identify when it flew into Soviet airspace in 1983 and the other was a Finnish plane that was brought down in 1940. So your governments representative says Russia shot down 70 but the truth is they only shot down 2. Then I came across another link and I've expanded that number to three in total (see third link). In the last case it was an American plane, 1960, and was a spy plane in Soviet airspace. The pilot was convicted of espionage and sentenced to 10 years altogether. In a deal, he was released after two years in prison.

So you go ahead and believe what is on mainstream media. And then test it before you accept it, because they all lie.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/past-commercial-airliners-shot-down-by-military-rebels/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_airliner_shootdown_incidents

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1960_U-2_incident
 
Here is a fantastic video of a Russia fighter jet performing maneuvers at a Paris air show. I thought it was pretty amazing what those guys are capable of.

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=77e_1389637750

So combine the pilots obvious technical abilities with their planes, plus the easily found lie that came out of the White House (see my comment #4), I would suggest there might be either a real possibility that the March/April incident didn't happen, or if it did, America never reported it at the time because they were where they shouldn't be and the Russian pilot was in complete control of the situation from his perspective and there was no real danger.
 
You are such a hoot QS. And as I said before, quite a sense of humour.

The unfortunate thing is you are probably right. It seems that the world is determined to stumble along the path to WW3 based on lies (which brings to mind WMD in Iraq?), innuendo, and a continuing effort towards hegemony. I read an article yesterday that was chilling in it's attitude about all of this. The writer stated in crystal clear terms that in his considered opinion, it was right and just that America should rule the world, that the desires of everyone else was of no importance.

According to Bret Stephenson: He proposes what he calls a “Broken Windows” foreign policy. This approach, Stephens argues, will lead to a Pax Americana where the United States enforces global norms and follows through on its commitments. We will secure our position “with military protection in exchange for diplomatic pliancy.” Gosh, doesn't that sound an awful lot like it could be the mission statement of ISIS?

I would ask you, if some other country found itself in a more powerful situation, how would you feel about being forced to comply with the directives of that other country, even when it brings you no benefit? There are numerous countries through the decades that America has broken as they have forced their intentions on whomever they choose. Is the prevailing philosophy of most Americans, that as long as you are the ones doing the forcing, it's all good? Land of the free --- if you are an American?




http://freebeacon.com/culture/retreat-is-a-choice/
 
Well, I've asked you before if you were a communist.. but you didn't respond... Nothing wrong with that.. Why not admit it? It shouldn't be a shameful thing. I admit my political affiliation and am very proud of it.. But maybe you just want to go on pretending you are non-biased and non affiliated.. JUST a truth seeker! I call BS.. Everyone has an agenda.. It would be easier to understand your hatred of the USA and your obvious enthrallment with Russia and their bare chested leader if you declared yourself.
 
:glee:I did not 'not respond' QS.

And I'm not a Communist. I will be voting for the Liberal Party of Canada in our next election. What I am is a grandmother who is not afraid to look outside the box, and I see the violence of a world that is buckling and my little grand kids are going to have to live in it for the next 70+ years and I fear for the lives we are leaving for them with regards to the environment and corporate and government violence. I choose to look with wide open eyes and not allow myself to be blinded by sovereign affiliations. I have openly called out not only the US for their open and obvious violence on the global front, but also called out my own country for its willingness to subvert common decency in pursuit of a place at the 'popular kids table'.

When I look at Russia, their activities since the fall of the USSR, read the words of various of their governmental directors, read about the changes and improvements in that country over the past 15 years or so and then compare all of that to what the USA has been doing and saying and scheming for decades, the difference in rhetoric and actions is glaringly obvious.

That most of America, Canada and I suspect the EU, is so willing to believe lies and innuendo when it is so incredibly easy to find out what really happened, what was really said and when the stakes are so high and becoming higher daily, actually calls into question the true leanings of those people and not the philosophy of people like me. I am looking behind the curtain, while most are satisfied to to worship the voice that comes down from on high (and I'm not talking about God).
 
And by the way, I'm also a grandmother who thinks that we should ALL learn to play nice and respect the differences and aspirations of other folks. And that also happens to be the oft stated words of the President of Russia which might explain why, when I compare Bret Stephenson's glorification of 'Pax Americana' and the record of the USA to the following:

'...Russia agrees with those who believe that key decisions should be worked out on a collective basis, rather than at the discretion of and in the interests of certain countries or groups of countries. Russia believes that international law, not the right of the strong, must apply. And we believe that every country, every nation is not exceptional, but unique, original and benefits from equal rights, including the right to independently choose their own development path....'

I'm inclined to believe that currently, the Russian government is the one who is uttering words of conciliation, fairness and justice. Now in the years to come, that may change, but for right now......


http://eng.kremlin.ru/transcripts/6007
 
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Debbie... I am NEVER going to agree with you in this matter. In fact.. I'm simply not going to respond to your anti-American rhetoric any longer. So I guess we are, as I said, going to have to leave it at that.
 
That's fine QS. You, like everyone are entitled to your opinion.

But nothing changes, the words and actions of all sides are still there for history to speak of.
 

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