Russian Sends Troops To Korean Border As Tensions Escalate
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dpwspringer
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Illegal attack by the USA you say... interesting. I thought the problem was NK making threats towards South Korea, Japan, the USA, etc and demonstrating their ability to strike with long range missile tests, creating a situation where everyone in the region was on alert.
Talk is cheap. An actual attack on a sovereign nation without being mandated to do so by the UN Security Council is illegal.
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It may be against UN peacemaking operations as a tool for maintaining peace and security but it's it's not illegal. In fact, an exception by the UN is self defense. We're already in self-defense mode for our allies of S.Korea and Japan...and ultimately the US if they threaten us....which I think they have already, haven't they?aeron said:
If you still think it's illegal, post your source where you see the word "illegal" please.
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IMO a preemptive strike is a very bad idea.
The Beloved and Respected Leader is like a loudmouth in a bar screaming "Go ahead hit me!". IMO it's best to ignore him and mind our own business until he makes the first move. Once the first move is made I think it's fine to retaliate against the Beloved and Respected Leader. The thing that concerns me is what do we do with 25 million people that hate us and don't want to be saved by democracy. I'm afraid it will be another mess that lasts for a generation or two, killing our young people and draining our resources.
The Beloved and Respected Leader is like a loudmouth in a bar screaming "Go ahead hit me!". IMO it's best to ignore him and mind our own business until he makes the first move. Once the first move is made I think it's fine to retaliate against the Beloved and Respected Leader. The thing that concerns me is what do we do with 25 million people that hate us and don't want to be saved by democracy. I'm afraid it will be another mess that lasts for a generation or two, killing our young people and draining our resources.
Bea, I feel that way also.
I think we would be highly impervious to reality if we were not concerned about the world today, especially Korea. Just like Putin, Kim Jong Un wants his presence to be known and he wants to be treated as an equal in the world community. In other words, he wants to be a “player on equal footing” in the world stage and to show that, no matter what, he can enter the American house and do what he desires, same as Russia.
We know Putin is showing off the Russian bear as one whose claws are to be taken seriously. Will China place enough dampers on N. Korea to stop their threats? How close are they to reaching the U.S. with a nuclear warhead?
We still do not know all that was involved in the “Russian connection”, and I’m not sure if we will anytime soon. Because of his antipathy toward Obama and Clinton, Mr Putin’s motive seems to have been to boost Trump’s cause and undermine America’s confidence in its political system.
Will China place enough dampers on N. Korea to stop their threats? How close are they to reaching the U.S. with a nuclear warhead?
So how is all this going to play out? Then there is the apparent dictatorship of Erdogan that is the result of the recent referendum. What is our relationship with Turkey, and will they continue to allow our vital air base for the Middle East operations?
There is a lot of “sabre rattling” going on among the world powers, as if they are jockeying for position. Of course it’s always been this way, except never before have so many countries had such power militarily, especially nuclear.
As for me, I go to bed each night, pull the covers up, pray for a better tomorrow, and try not to worry over things I can’t control. I have faith that God is still in control.
I think we would be highly impervious to reality if we were not concerned about the world today, especially Korea. Just like Putin, Kim Jong Un wants his presence to be known and he wants to be treated as an equal in the world community. In other words, he wants to be a “player on equal footing” in the world stage and to show that, no matter what, he can enter the American house and do what he desires, same as Russia.
We know Putin is showing off the Russian bear as one whose claws are to be taken seriously. Will China place enough dampers on N. Korea to stop their threats? How close are they to reaching the U.S. with a nuclear warhead?
We still do not know all that was involved in the “Russian connection”, and I’m not sure if we will anytime soon. Because of his antipathy toward Obama and Clinton, Mr Putin’s motive seems to have been to boost Trump’s cause and undermine America’s confidence in its political system.
Will China place enough dampers on N. Korea to stop their threats? How close are they to reaching the U.S. with a nuclear warhead?
So how is all this going to play out? Then there is the apparent dictatorship of Erdogan that is the result of the recent referendum. What is our relationship with Turkey, and will they continue to allow our vital air base for the Middle East operations?
There is a lot of “sabre rattling” going on among the world powers, as if they are jockeying for position. Of course it’s always been this way, except never before have so many countries had such power militarily, especially nuclear.
As for me, I go to bed each night, pull the covers up, pray for a better tomorrow, and try not to worry over things I can’t control. I have faith that God is still in control.
dpwspringer
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You know better than that. First off, talk is not always cheap... especially when you are making threats to your neighbors about nuclear attacks and demonstrating your long range missles. To ignore that would be idiotic.
Military action against an actual attack that has taken place is permitted by the UN Charter. Preemptive military action where no attack has taken place is not. Read the UN Charters.
There is the world of difference between taking defensive steps or even preparing to act if attacked and undertaking military action in advance of an actual attack. Right now the US is acting as an "Agent Provocateur" and because of the unnecessary NATO charter dragging the population of other countries into risk.
dpwspringer
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You have it backwards, NK is acting as an "Agent Provocateur".
My thoughts exactly. Ignore the loudmouths. They can steep in their own swill, and be "big fish in a small pond".
I disagree, Kim Jong-un is being verbose in his hatred of the US but that is all. In testing his military hardware he has not actually encroached on any country. He is taunting the US but taunting is a long way removed from inserting viable actual nuclear weaponry within striking range of the US. The resolution to this latest US imperialist adventure is to be deplored, the way this should be dealt with is through the UN Security Council.
This is a case of like minds clashing, an ego contest between Kim Jong-un and Trump. Trump is too vein to not take the bait. Kim Jong-un sees himself as "David" fighting a figurative "Goliath"(the U.S.).
As dangerous as this sounds, I think that like most bullies, both Kim Jong-un and Trump have a yellow streak down their backs, that will cause them to back off, at some point.
Kim Jong-il was a pastmaster at brinkmanship with the US in order to deal strategies in NK with provision of food when the US was trying to starve NK into toeing the line that the US wanted them to. No doubt Kin Jong-un learned how to play the game to protect his country but is now using what was learned to up the stakes.
It is nevertheless a long way from playing the agent provocateur card which is what the US is up to.
NATO should be disbanded because with the now openly aggressive position that the US is taking, even more than has been in the past, being able to drag other countries into their imperialist adventures on the basis of the obsolete NATO Charter let alone having US military in countries WHERE THEY ARE NOT WANTED must be brought to an end.
It is nevertheless a long way from playing the agent provocateur card which is what the US is up to.
NATO should be disbanded because with the now openly aggressive position that the US is taking, even more than has been in the past, being able to drag other countries into their imperialist adventures on the basis of the obsolete NATO Charter let alone having US military in countries WHERE THEY ARE NOT WANTED must be brought to an end.
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From your mouth to God's ears....... I pray that you are correct.
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Oh, and North Korea is going to go hat in hand to the UN Security Council to ask for a "mandate" to attack the US before they send off their missiles? Let's see how you would feel, Aeron, if it was Wales that was in danger of being nuked.
When you're dealing with rabid dogs, you don't use diplomacy as your first weapon.
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My feeling as well, one or the other may decide to jump first just to show how much bigger their cojones are. Not to mention Russia positioning testing to see how fast we can react
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There is a saying. "The pay is the same whether you are marching or fighting". Placing defense of Japan & So. Korea where they will effective in they are trained to do beat drawing a red line in the sand and watching the dead bodies pile up.
Meanwhile there is no reason for Trump to do anything while No. Korea wastes money testing missles that land in the ocean when they actually work as intended. Postering before had the desired effect on Obama, the policy of do nothing and that HOPE & CHANGE YOU CAN BELIEVE IN WORKED. No. Korea leadership HOPED for Obama to do nothing and he didn't. The change they believed in came about. They are more prepared than ever to launch an attack.
Controlled media in No. Korea works as well as the liberal media in America convincing those that need to believe what they are told is true.
Meanwhile there is no reason for Trump to do anything while No. Korea wastes money testing missles that land in the ocean when they actually work as intended. Postering before had the desired effect on Obama, the policy of do nothing and that HOPE & CHANGE YOU CAN BELIEVE IN WORKED. No. Korea leadership HOPED for Obama to do nothing and he didn't. The change they believed in came about. They are more prepared than ever to launch an attack.
Controlled media in No. Korea works as well as the liberal media in America convincing those that need to believe what they are told is true.
But you MUST abide by the law. Other than probably empty threats and rhetoric there is no actual danger of NK attacking anyone.
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Probably empty threats you say... good grief you have a lot different view of the world than I do. In hindsight of WWII, your attitude is amazing. While the UN is a great thing, it is not able to police the world in the manner you seem to think it does. It is many things but on many issues it is so divided politically that it can't do what you seem to think it can do. If it could do what you seem to think it could be doing we wouldn't have the issues with NK that we do have and have had for many years.
WW2 in reality was WW1 pt2. It was the disgusting terms of the Treaty of Versailles in which Germany was lied to and treated abominably following the agreement formed the basis of the armistice that made the outbreak of hostilities in 1939 inevitable.
"Versailles" created a situation whereby the emergence of a political party in Germany that would seek redress could not be avoided.
The ONLY issues the US has with NK are verbiage. It is the US that is warmongering - again.
In any case irrespective if the UN Security Council is the global policeman or not by what right does the US have to adopt that role. Answer? NONE.
"Versailles" created a situation whereby the emergence of a political party in Germany that would seek redress could not be avoided.
The ONLY issues the US has with NK are verbiage. It is the US that is warmongering - again.
In any case irrespective if the UN Security Council is the global policeman or not by what right does the US have to adopt that role. Answer? NONE.
Not unqualified support for the actions of the Nazi but a great deal of support for Germany after the theft of German territory by Versailles and the grossly unfair punitive terms in contradiction to the Armistice having included in it the T's and C's being that the negotiation of the Armistice into a peace treaty being founded on the principle of the parties being "Equals amongst equals" which was immediately reneged upon by the Anglo American cabal plus France once the conflict ceased. What emerged and was imposed on Germany was disgusting not least the theft of German land. Germany was 100% correct with the call "The Sudetenland ist Deutschland" went out with the Anschluß. Similarly when the then Nazi government set out to recover the territory that had been stolen to found modern Poland had this landtheft by Versailles not taken place there would have been no need to recover what had been stolen indeed but for Versailles there would not have been a resurgence of the hostilities that grew into WW1.
As for hating the US, I have no hatred per se but the US conduct in relation to it's actions on the world scene, especially it's brutal military and fiscal hegemony from the mid 20th century onwards has been appalling and is getting worse.