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Son_of_Perdition

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Here I go again. Months ago I posted a thread about my experiences dealing with seniors and computers. I never meant to imply that all seniors were computer illiterate and my apologies to anyone who took it wrong. I was only trying to point out my personal interaction with my neighbors, (I live in a 55+ manufactured housing park). I enjoy the closeness and friendly association with most of them. My career for 35 years was in tech support at a large aerospace data center, dealing with 17,000+ employees 24/7. That's the reason I have had occasional requests to help my neighbors with computer problems.

During the last week I had calls from 4 with computer problems (a week or so ago there was a major power outage). The outage caused many unexpected glitches with their electronic devices. Powering off/on (resetting modems) solved most, but the 4 had other issues. I went to their homes and without exception each had recently been given a new top of the line desktop, laptop or upgrade by their children. One had an expensive iMac with all the bells and whistles, two were trying to figure out their 'Apple' laptops and the fourth had an older desktop that their son had upgraded to Win 7 with a new 21 inch monitor.

I ask each, 'What do you use your computer for?' email, web browsing, and games (mostly FB or Yahoo) were their standard answers, nothing more. UserID's & passwords luckily had been written down on the reams of notes that I had to figure out. I had each sit next to me as I corrected the problems. Somewhere during my visit I looked at them, each had a blank stare and I knew I'd lost them. I then tried to suggest an option to change their complicated system for a simple easy to understand, stable and re-loadable system. I touched lightly on a Chromebook but my bread n butter is a simple Linux system. I tried to explain they would lose nothing and your web browsing would be clean and simple. I truly believe in the KISS methodology.

Change is not something most seniors embrace gracefully. I thought I had put one lady into 'Gimbel Lock' wringing her hands when I suggested they replace the iMac with something they could better understand. I could see that any suggestion to go against their children's good intentions were not met with an open mind. I gave up, leaving after they assured me they understood the instructions and could now get to 'Google' and their email with their icons. I wish that when the younger generation try to bring their elders current with technology that they take into consideration that most people over 75 haven't been exposed to the concept of being 'connected' as the baby boomers or younger generations have.
 
Funny you mentioned this after fixing my pc a few times in the past 7years especially the dreaded blue screen of death, I managed to bring it back from death week before last when it laughed at me and said, sorry but, not coming back this time your system and all its files are gone give it up or at the very lest, no just give up. Anyway what broke the camel's hump was the monitor sizzled and went black repeatedly. I did order a used monitor so I will at lead the be able to get my pics and other files off of the failing pc before I get my next replacement.
 
Here I go again. Months ago I posted a thread about my experiences dealing with seniors and computers. I never meant to imply that all seniors were computer illiterate and my apologies to anyone who took it wrong. I was only trying to point out my personal interaction with my neighbors, (I live in a 55+ manufactured housing park). I enjoy the closeness and friendly association with most of them. My career for 35 years was in tech support at a large aerospace data center, dealing with 17,000+ employees 24/7. That's the reason I have had occasional requests to help my neighbors with computer problems.

During the last week I had calls from 4 with computer problems (a week or so ago there was a major power outage). The outage caused many unexpected glitches with their electronic devices. Powering off/on (resetting modems) solved most, but the 4 had other issues. I went to their homes and without exception each had recently been given a new top of the line desktop, laptop or upgrade by their children. One had an expensive iMac with all the bells and whistles, two were trying to figure out their 'Apple' laptops and the fourth had an older desktop that their son had upgraded to Win 7 with a new 21 inch monitor.

I ask each, 'What do you use your computer for?' email, web browsing, and games (mostly FB or Yahoo) were their standard answers, nothing more. UserID's & passwords luckily had been written down on the reams of notes that I had to figure out. I had each sit next to me as I corrected the problems.
Somewhere during my visit I looked at them, each had a blank stare and I knew I'd lost them. I then tried to suggest an option to change their complicated system for a simple easy to understand, stable and re-loadable system. I touched lightly on a Chromebook but my bread n butter is a simple Linux system. I tried to explain they would lose nothing and your web browsing would be clean and simple. I truly believe in the KISS methodology.

Change is not something most seniors embrace gracefully. I thought I had put one lady into 'Gimbel Lock' wringing her hands when I suggested they replace the iMac with something they could better understand. I could see that any suggestion to go against their children's good intentions were not met with an open mind. I gave up, leaving after they assured me they understood the instructions and could now get to 'Google' and their email with their icons. I wish that when the younger generation try to bring their elders current with technology that they take into consideration that most people over 75 haven't been exposed to the concept of being 'connected' as the baby boomers or younger generations have.

This all sounds so familiar, young or old there are a lot of folks that look at computers in the same way they regard their toaster, or microwave oven.

It's a sad thing for a techie, but what ya gonna do? :shrug:


Edit: BTW I speak Debian GNU/Linux, since Woody (3.0r3).
 
My mum gave my dad an I-pad for Christmas 2013, when he was 84 and she was 81.
With it came a few lessons with an instructor.....and both love it!
We have only had a couple of issues...which I have been able to sort by phone, so it is not all bad; just a little patience sometimes.
 
I admit I'm no techie, but I do really like the iPads. This time last year I bought an ipad with 64 G's for $800. A month ago I upgraded to a celluar iPad with 128 G's, and I only spent $29.00 more, and I got a free really good attachable keyboard, I don't like the virtual keyboards. I gave my old iPad to a young boy who was told he had to purchase a tablet for high school, and that is a cost that most families just don't have.
 
Some people can barely use a mobile phone but they still live full lives,what's needed with a lot of people is a whole lot of patience. It has given me great pleasure to see some of the people I've known when they learned how easy it was for them to finally be able to retrieve all those text or even voice mails they were too embarrassed to ask some else to help them learn how to do especially some rather smart people who just tune out when techie talk starts.
 
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Speaking of money I had written a post before phone ate it, anyway, I had said I don't upgrade unless I feel there's some substantial need since for me if it ain't broke,why do I need to crack open my piggybank. For the better part of 7 years my pc served me better than most people I know I have had to fix it a few times cost me nothing but a bit of time but I bet I got better mileage out it than I will from my next. I'm going to mix that old gal.

Don't get me wrong I love new technology, but, I like to squeeze blood from a stone more when it comes to my money and must haves.
 
Speaking of money I had written a post before phone ate it, anyway, I had said I don't upgrade unless I feel there's some substantial need since for me if it ain't broke,why do I need to crack open my piggybank. For the better part of 7 years my pc served me better than most people I know I have had to fix it a few times cost me nothing but a bit of time but I bet I got better mileage out it than I will from my next. I'm going to mix that old gal.

Don't get me wrong I love new technology, but, I like to squeeze blood from a stone more when it comes to my money and must haves.

My 17 inch Dell laptop lasted 8 years with Linux, prior to that I had a 15 inch XP Dell I used 5 years. Paid over $1,700 for the 1st and just under $800 for the second. I was more or less forced into buying my current one last Nov for $400. I honestly tried to keep Win 7 but alas the powers that be and a hacking incident through FB games I installed Linux after 30 days. I keep wavering about a tablet talking myself out of it after some thought. I spend entirely too much time surfing. I have to force myself to walk away and join the world taking a few breaks during the day. Keeping up with the latest technology is a full time job, expensive and I'm retired.
 
I failed to mention this one that has died on me was well over 7 years old, a Dell, I bought it USD monitor included for well under $200. Shipping included. My nearly $2000. pc was back and fourth for replacements and repairs constantly it finally getting stolen wasn't any real loss. The most recent had been rebuilt buy the seller ltried finding the guy to see if l could duplicate the success I had with the previous one he sold me, but he's no longer selling on ebay
 
Son_OP, at your earlier suggestion of kiss I am looking at chomebooks, any suggestions? Or inexpensive laptop suggestions. Aside from very basic usages picture formatting abilities are important to me. I'll still be getting fire as a backup so I hopefully don't get stuck navigating the web on a screen the size of two saltine crackers.
 
April, I just bought the new Kindle Fire. So far, I like it. The screen is a lot smaller than my desktop or laptop, but I have figured out how to make the print larger. The actual viewing screen is seven inches across. I have to admit it's a learning experience for me.
 
Hi Shirley, so cool, thanks for the fyi it helps to hear from someone who has experience using an iitem like what I want. I'm waiting to order the that fire-7 Amazon will have in stock later this month, but, I'm also looking to replace my pc not as big but with larger screen more features. And cost effective to boot. : )
 
Hi April....I bought a Chromebook, at first I liked it but now wished I hadn't....I guess the biggest thing is the printing aspect ....you have to print using cloud and I have not figured it out.....you have to have a printer that is cloud friendly which mine is but still it is a pain. It is a very simple pc by google....no virus protection needed...but MY thing with it is...I'm on satellite internet service called Wildblue which was associated with Google...well now Google no longer supports Wildblue and this has caused me all kinds of misery...lol....I have to get online using the Chromebook guest thing and it is the pits...lolBut this would probably not affect you...I guess if you are good using cloud it would be ok...oh another thing...it can not use itunes.....only google apps.If you're into the editing picture thing.....I think I'd get on some of the tect forums and see how the Chromebook handles this. Good luck.
 
WOW! Thanks Jackie. I was just was reading some of those things you said in the reviews over on Amazon. The pic editing i just like to be able resize quickly, crop and adjust the brightness. Your review was even more helpful, at lest I know your not of their paid plants. Lol. Plus, I like the Jackie extra details.

It gets more difficult to make up my mind though I hope to order something this week,
 
I'm not totally sold on Chromebooks, I've only been exposed to one, (my granddaughter) her complaint was similar to Jackie's, too restrictive. Again I push Linux loaded on a laptop or desktop, all software is open source (FREE!) and you have everything immediately available after the install. Virus free and secure, Office suites, browsers, the GIMP (my opinion is it equals AutoCad) for the average user. I've created eye candy for web pages with it. I edit photos with it all the time for my wife. The office suite is LIbreOffice again (FREE!) and while it is not MSOffice it creates documents, spreadsheets along with presentations that most users find adequate. Did I mention it's all (FREE!)? There are thousands of apps you can load that will meet most needs unless you are building components for the Space Station. It's clean and if you run into problems, I've found that a google search brings up thousands of solutions and instructions online. I personally like LinuxMint, it's more like XP or Win 7 that I had to support when working. I tried Redhat (Fedora), Mandriva, Suse, PCLinuxOS, Zorin, Peppermint, Puppy and Knoppix to name a few.
 
Well I'm about to just go for or it'll never happen just too many choices on Amazon narrowed down to asus, go chrome14, dell 3000.knowing me it won't be any of those. I have a major headache. Maybe I should just wait for my monitor to get here
but, my eyes are killing me
 
Well I'm about to just go for or it'll never happen just too many choices on Amazon narrowed down to asus, go chrome14, dell 3000.knowing me it won't be any of those. I have a major headache. Maybe I should just wait for my monitor to get here
but, my eyes are killing me

I had an asus 10" tablet...I loved it but it only lasted 1 year before it died!! Looking for another tablet, with a camera on the back..

Edit: I have a Kindle Fire for back-up and am happy with it also..Too small of a screen and no camera..crybaby.gif
 
All I Can say is i left Amazon feeling frustrated, no matter the product most of the reviews ended up about the same so I just went with something cheap that will get me past the next few weeks if nothing else as my eyes just can't take hunting for anything on this little screen. I ordered a Kinnkpad, still going to get the fire-7, but, I need more time for something with more power. Two-day shipping, so I should have the tablet by end of week.
 
When I was first looking for my first PC I obtained a 'Computer Shopper' mag, it was at least as thick as an old Sears catalog. I perused it flagging my choices with yellow Post-its. I think I used 2 or 3 pads of them. I was totally confused by the time that I received an offer to get a Tandy 1000 through my AMEX card. I believe I paid close to $2,000 for it and a printer. It was expensive but not too far out of line with the prices from the CS. That was before Windows, you had to create .bat files through DOS for menus or any automated procedures. Wordperfect, Lotus123, limited utilities,,,etc. Monochrome screen.
 
If I wanted a desktop, today as opposed to say 15 years ago it would be a simple task for me, but, these tablets are a nightmare with such a wide range in every price point, I I was ready to hit buy on chromed, till after reading what you all had to say then I almost hit pay for netbook but realized it wasnt 8.5 or so inches that was just the operating system. I mean was near check out point on that. I blame this fighting tiny screen.

Anyhow, Son, thanks for starting this thread its been quite helpful. At least when I'm ready to jump in for a better tab, I know ican come here to hash things out even if I end up back at square none. :laugh:
 
All I Can say is i left Amazon feeling frustrated, no matter the product most of the reviews ended up about the same so I just went with something cheap that will get me past the next few weeks if nothing else as my eyes just can't take hunting for anything on this little screen. I ordered a Kinnkpad, still going to get the fire-7, but, I need more time for something with more power. Two-day shipping, so I should have the tablet by end of week.

I ordered this 10" tablet yesterday..Not bad for $101 shippng included..

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I ordered this 10" tablet yesterday..Not bad for $101 shippng included..

I've been hesitating to enter the tablet world and darn if you didn't push me off the fence. Will order one this afternoon. I had been using an old smart phone my wife had dropped and cracked the glass. It's has a 4 inch screen and with these tired old eyes it's a no brainer. Thanks Ken.

Unrelated: My printing needs are limited now, I do use them occasionally. I used to need a full color one for pictures and our taxes but with the price to have Walmart process them and then do my taxes on line the need has almost been eliminated. Sooooo, I now purchase what I call a disposable printer at Walmart, usually around $29 to $39 with reduced toner cartridges. I found most of time I was replacing them because they dried out before I could use them up. The price of toner is horrendous and it makes it more realistic just to replace your printer.

The only issue I have is I can't buy an Epson, seems like there's a conspiracy with the powers that be and Epson refuses to support the Linux world with compatibility. HP and others have no problem so I have to remember when I see one advertised that it can't be an Epson.

UPDATE: DONE! Should arrive here on the 15th. Decided to get a case.
 
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After much research I ordered a Samsung Tab 3, I think it is a 9" tablet, I've been happy with it, use it for reading at night and for travel, fits in my hand bag, also will be using it for a GPS.....I ordered it from Walmart, refurbished, saved a lot.
 
Ken that was one of many I had considered, but, I ended up going with the 9 inch kingpad which had some good reviews on a few other sights and only sold for $60. Even if it doesn't last me I won't feel robbed. I just need something to get me through for now till I can do the real specs and hardware comparisons for what I really want and need.

Please let me know how your Dragon tablet works out for you we should both have our new toys around same time if you too did two day shipping.
 
Luddite that I tend to be...I paid $1.99 for a snazzy neon green notebook made of paper. Then I found one of many pens floating around the house. Hey a $98 savings at least plus I can doodle in the margins when I'm stuck on hold. I have a camera that takes pictures and video...and all my books are paper. The truth is...
I can post on forums
Punch in and do significant computer stuff at work
Write emails and research online
But turning on the upstairs TV or hubby's cell phone? Can't do it.
No buttons on a paper notebook;)
 
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