Seems women are becoming less and less dependent on men

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Anyone remember the saying..'a woman needs a man like a fish needs a bicycle'?? :D I heard that years ago and thought it was funny but it seems today more and more young women are declaring their independence from needing a man to take care of them. That can be a good thing IMO but also in some cases, it is taken to an extreme in putting men down. What say you?.
 

IMO it's a better world when all people have choices and independence.

For a few years, it seemed like television advertisers were depicting the hapless, clueless dad in commercials, but now I see more of a trend towards depicting dads as domestic superheroes or at least the sidekick of a domestic superhero.
 
I never understood a woman "needing" a man. If a man and woman come together,
both should be self-actualized to bring joy to each other; not ever for "dependence"
or fulfilling a "need".
I can see, back in my Grandmother's day, with five small children on the cold Montana
plains, a horse ranch, and wheat fields to till and thrash, it was necessary for her to
have a man to help out. But, Different times call for different ways and different beliefs.
Complete independence, "Carry your own water", builds strength in the soul.
A woman can remain feminine and be strong inside.
IMO
 
I think that perhaps some people who don't think men are needed in ones life, have had the privilege of having them. I haven't for the most part. I've been on my own a lot.

I bought a house in 2001 and could easily afford it. I should have bought in the town I was living in and live in now but I ended up in another town in my county. Prices were cheaper there, everything was selling fast. Of coarse as it turned out loans were being given to people who should not have received them. I deserved my loan as I had 20% down and excellent credit.

Big mistake, I should have spent more and stayed here. It was a disaster. Gee I wonder if the jerk behind me would have harassed me if there was a man in the house. I already know the answer to that.

I'm independent because I have to be.
 
I need my wife and I like to think, at least from time to time, she needs me. This is not a bad thing, we've been interdependent on one another for 50 years now and it has worked out well for both of us. Had it not been for this partnership, I doubt either of us would have made it for 50 years (so far). No one is an Island, everyone needs someone, sometime. Don...
 
They are nice company and I'll work with them if they need help, doesn't matter how dirty the job. It's when they think they know everything and begin to impose their will on me that I feel I can do fine without them. I don't like them thinking their BS will fly with me either. If you did something wrong, tell me, don't wait until the police call telling me you've been kiting checks all over three counties. That's just stupid knucklehead. :rolleyes:
 
Sex aside, men and women both benefit from, and provide, mutual companionship in a relationship -- an essential element as we age, and probably the most important element in the male/female relationship. The male portion of that relationship can often come in handy because of the generally greater strength of men, typically more interest in things mechanical, and an interest in the defensive aspect of maintaining a safe and secure household. When it comes to raising children, I believe children benefit from both male and female parent figures, and as we age, I have noticed that women often develop a fear of driving at a younger age than men. Etc. Etc.
 
Many couples today both work, and many wives according to a survey are burned out. Some given the choice would love to go back to the good old days but cannot because two incomes are needed to support the big house with a bedroom and bath for each kid, the toys, the lifestyle.

So in that case both husband and wife need each other financially. Emotionally it takes a toll. Divorce statistics bear that out.

I have often wondered how they cope when one partner loses his or her job.
 
Serenity4321 said:
Anyone remember the saying..'a woman needs a man like a fish needs a bicycle'?? :D I heard that years ago and thought it was funny but it seems today more and more young women are declaring their independence from needing a man to take care of them. That can be a good thing IMO but also in some cases, it is taken to an extreme in putting men down. What say you?.
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I can't think of anyone in my parents' generation that I actually knew who considered it a matter of dependence, taking care of, etc., but nearly all had the same arrangement as my parents: men worked and provided for their families, women took care of the households. Neither thought they were better than the other or had more 'say' just because of where the household income was coming from.
 
Lee said:
Many couples today both work, and many wives according to a survey are burned out. Some given the choice would love to go back to the good old days but cannot because two incomes are needed to support the big house with a bedroom and bath for each kid, the toys, the lifestyle.

So in that case both husband and wife need each other financially. Emotionally it takes a toll. Divorce statistics bear that out.

I have often wondered how they cope when one partner loses his or her job.
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But do you think it's a matter of (as you worded it) needing each other financially, or the trend of keeping everything separate- bank accounts, possessions, etc.? Everything is 'my' this and 'my' that, instead of 'ours.'
 
Many people never learn the difference between need and want.

There's also a difference between being independent and being anti-male. They are after all our fathers, brothers, sons, etc.

Plus a basic thing a lot of people don't get about me is i take every one on an individual basis. How i interact with and think/feel about any person is dependent on their behaviors, towards others as well as myself NOT on any label that could be applied to them.

One of the reasons many of my posts get long is because while i will for purposes of discussions use some generalities, i also tend to use a lot of qualifiers avoiding absolutes like always/never, all/none unless i actually mean them-- which is rare.
 
Lee said:
Many couples today both work, and many wives according to a survey are burned out. Some given the choice would love to go back to the good old days but cannot because two incomes are needed to support the big house with a bedroom and bath for each kid, the toys, the lifestyle.

So in that case both husband and wife need each other financially. Emotionally it takes a toll. Divorce statistics bear that out.

I have often wondered how they cope when one partner loses his or her job.
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And those of us smart enough to NOT live the "lifestyle" (one bathroom has always been sufficient), MUCH less is required.
 
win231 said:
Women who put men down are often the ones who choose men poorly, then don't want to admit they make stupid choices.
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The same is often true of men who put women in general down. Thing is both men and women are heavily influenced by their childhood experiences, sometimes in ways that lead to poor choices.

Some people realize that it's more productive to figure out why you're making those choices, so you can not repeat them. Also we need to realize that even if a specific partner treated us badly doesn't mean ALL men/women are like that partner.
 
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JaniceM said:
But do you think it's a matter of (as you worded it) needing each other financially, or the trend of keeping everything separate- bank accounts, possessions, etc.? Everything is 'my' this and 'my' that, instead of 'ours.'
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I think it depends on the partnership, if either party is unsure of the other and it is more of a casual living together arrangement then keep it separate. Where it's a marriage with kids separate finances or not a judge is going to decide who gets what.
 

Seems women are becoming less and less dependent on men​


Finally! That was a LOT of pressure, man! Really stressful.

But seriously (except, actually, I was being serious), a lot of ladies today - ladies in their 20s/early 30s - talk like they still depend on a man as long as he can afford to buy her a car and her expensive cosmetics, clothes, and trips to a 4-star beauty salon where she gets her nails applied and painted, too.

And there's a whole other class of "ladies" in the same age-range who depend on a man (or men) to help her make babies in order to maximize the welfare benefits. Of course, that plan goes awry when the only days he shows up are the days when the EBT card gets loaded up (same as "the check arrives").
 
Murrmurr said:

Seems women are becoming less and less dependent on men​


Finally! That was a LOT of pressure, man! Really stressful.

But seriously (except, actually, I was being serious), a lot of ladies today - ladies in their 20s/early 30s - talk like they still depend on a man as long as he can afford to buy her a car and her expensive cosmetics, clothes, and trips to a 4-star beauty salon where she gets her nails applied and painted, too.

And there's a whole other class of "ladies" in the same age-range who depend on a man (or men) to help her make babies in order to maximize the welfare benefits. Of course, that plan goes awry when the only days he shows up are the days when the EBT card gets loaded up (same as "the check arrives").
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And then there's Michelle. Independent and truly classy.
 
ElCastor said:
Sex aside, men and women both benefit from, and provide, mutual companionship in a relationship -- an essential element as we age, and probably the most important element in the male/female relationship. The male portion of that relationship can often come in handy because of the generally greater strength of men, typically more interest in things mechanical, and an interest in the defensive aspect of maintaining a safe and secure household. When it comes to raising children, I believe children benefit from both male and female parent figures, and as we age, I have noticed that women often develop a fear of driving at a younger age than men. Etc. Etc.
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Yes, i bend to these realizations. I'm not mechanical and don't have the physical strength of a man.
I really enjoy being around real men! I used to do my own carpentry, plumbing, shoveling, electrical,
but it's much easier to hire a man who knows what he's doing.(haha!)
As many men become more and more effeminate, it seems the ladies have no choice but to take on
previously "male" endeavors.
 
I truly want women to take over the world, I'm tired of always be in charge.😜

I think there will always be some division between the sexes, both necessary and unnecessary. I for one am all for equity where possible, except for having babies. I don't want to have to do that, but if I did I think I could get it done in a couple of weeks, I'm not sure why women like to draw it out nine months.
 
ElCastor said:
Sex aside, men and women both benefit from, and provide, mutual companionship in a relationship -- an essential element as we age, and probably the most important element in the male/female relationship. The male portion of that relationship can often come in handy because of the generally greater strength of men, typically more interest in things mechanical, and an interest in the defensive aspect of maintaining a safe and secure household. When it comes to raising children, I believe children benefit from both male and female parent figures, and as we age, I have noticed that women often develop a fear of driving at a younger age than men. Etc. Etc.
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I liked your post very much, except for the "father figure" (or male and female figure), way of describing the situation, because a loving parent is just a "figure", (someone playing a defined role being the inference), they are much more than that, and it isn't just anyone who can do this for a particular child, so that's a bit of a smoke screen employed by those with agendas I am unhappy about, who undermine decent dads!
 
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