So just what does define other than observable behavior?

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I read a letter to the editor from a Muslim explaining that Islam should not be defined by terrorist groups like ISIS.

OK. Then what does define Islam?

Do we ignore the terrorist tactics by Muslims against one or another (sectarian violence Sunni-vs Shia vs Kurds vs Yezidis, and Jews-Christians -Baha'i etc. as if they are not followers of Islam? Just how to we see Islam to be defined except by behavior?

By FMG, Honor murder and world assassinations and brutal wide acts in the name of Islam? Attacks by Muslims on others by self definition. I don't lable them Muslims, they name themselves and no amount of denials mitigate that fact. I believe these terrorist groups, ISIS are as they proclaim themselves, Muslims following their Islamic beliefs.
Surely we aren't expected to ignore the self professed Islamic influence?

Now not all listed terrorist groups are Islamic. There are others, Jewish (KATCH), Kurdish, even domestic etc. (see link.)

I think the Islamic groups outnumber the rest combined. I feel a deep sorrow for the perhaps billion Muslims that follow a peaceful life and daily face headlines that define the brutality of some Muslim in some way. It must be very trying and certainly would make me defensive, but, personally what I se, behavior, is how I judge and define an element whether it's a cop, a country, a political party, government or religion.

I can't ignore the obvious, don't expect me to and I'll keep in mind that just as all cops aren't bigots or racists neither are all followers of Islam defined by the brutality of the large numbers acting in the name of Allah, of Islam. Still those acts do define an element of the Islamic religion.


http://www.nctc.gov/site/groups/

Some of:
List of terrorist groups

 

So long as the "Moderate Muslims"....if such really exists....allow these radicals to prosper and grow within their midst, they can only blame themselves for the "perception" of Muslim terrorism. So long as they subscribe to a Koran that demands "Death To All Infidels", all Christians, Jews, Buddhists, etc.,etc., are at risk from these fanatics.
 

Let's also not forget our Christian terrorist groups.. When defining terrorism we must remember that all those tactics are used by some Christian groups to intimidate and scare.

Terrorism
In the international community, terrorism has no legally binding, criminal law definition. Common definitions of terrorism refer only to those violent acts that are intended to create fear (terror); are perpetrated for a religious, political, or ideological goal; and deliberately target or disregard the safety of non-combatants (e.g., neutral military personnel or civilians).
 
QuickSilver said:
Let's also not forget our Christian terrorist groups.. When defining terrorism we must remember that all those tactics are used by some Christian groups to intimidate and scare.

Terrorism
In the international community, terrorism has no legally binding, criminal law definition. Common definitions of terrorism refer only to those violent acts that are intended to create fear (terror); are perpetrated for a religious, political, or ideological goal; and deliberately target or disregard the safety of non-combatants (e.g., neutral military personnel or civilians).
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If a person goes back through Human History, they would probably find that more people have been killed "In the Name of Religion" than all the Nation vs. Nation wars combined. Muslim Terrorism is just the current application of "My God is Greater than Your God". However, that being the reality we currently live in, I wouldn't trust any of these Muslims any further than I could throw them.
 
I don't trust ANY religious fanatic. Nothing makes someone feel more obligated or entitled to KILL another as that feeling the "God is on their side", or that they are doing it in the "name of God".
 
QuickSilver said:
Let's also not forget our Christian terrorist groups.. When defining terrorism we must remember that all those tactics are used by some Christian groups to intimidate and scare.
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Absolutely let's not. If they're Terrorists they are terrorists. OTOH I don't see other religions denying the connection to the root,i.e. Islamists, that I hear from the Muslims saying that such brutality is not arising from the followers of (their corrupted) brand of Islam.

Other acts of terror are condemned outright with perpetrators tried and convicted.

Jordan's government recently had a moment silence for those killed and 'martyred' in murdering civilians at prayer. Typical? Only in Islam.

I suggest Christians would not celebrate terrorists deaths in parliament, but rather take the opportunity for outright condemnation. Ya think?


Jordanian parliament members held a moment of silence and read Koran verses aloud Wednesday in memory of the two Palestinian terrorists who murdered five Israelis in an attack at a Jerusalem synagogue Tuesday morning.


“Regarding the martyrs who bombed and murdered Zionists, I’m asking the respected parliament to stand up and to read the al-Fatiha [verse from the first chapter of the Quran] to glorify their pure souls and the souls of all the martyrs in the Arab and Muslim nations,” an unnamed MP said, according to a Channel 10 translation of the remarks at the parliament session.
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http://www.timesofisrael.com/jordanian-mps-hold-moment-of-silence-for-two-palestinians-terrorists/
 
Would the killing of abortion doctors, and the intimidation of women entering and exiting a woman's clinic be terrorism? It fits the definition perfectly. These are who I refer to as the Christian terror groups.
 
QuickSilver said:
I don't trust ANY religious fanatic. Nothing makes someone feel more obligated or entitled to KILL another as that feeling the "God is on their side", or that they are doing it in the "name of God".
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And so it should be. Any fanatic, any radical, committing an act of murder,brutality, perverion cannot be disassociated from their cause by claiming their cause is other than declared by the terrorist.
The act defines the root agenda. It defines the imperative if you will.
 
QuickSilver said:
Would the killing of abortion doctors, and the intimidation of women entering and exiting a woman's clinic be terrorism? It fits the definition perfectly. These are who I refer to as the Christian terror groups.
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Of course it's terrorism and if done in the name of Christianity, Christian belief, it is condemned by Christians and tried as a crime, not celebrated in Christian countries.
 
Basically shouldn't profiling be made just one of many tools that can be used to prevent attacks. I heard the Israelies profile at their two airports to prevent terrorist plots. They ask questions to fit the flyer. They say the physical search isn't the only thing they rely on.
 
Oh, yeah....Profiling here wouldn't last 24 hours before every ACLU member, and all the "Politically Correct" would be shouting. After all, if it quacks like a duck, and walks like a duck, we can't be sure that it is really a duck until it Craps all over the floor.
 
WhatInThe said:
Basically shouldn't profiling be made just one of many tools that can be used to prevent attacks. I heard the Israelies profile at their two airports to prevent terrorist plots. They ask questions to fit the flyer. They say the physical search isn't the only thing they rely on.
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Yes it should be one measure along with any other tool to detect a threat. Common sense is to use common sense.
 
Islam is defined by the Quoran written by Mohammed. Americans would do well to read the Quoran and the biography of Mohammed because Islam is one of the biggest threats facing the United States. Islam is more of a political system than a religion. It is the antithesis of democracy. The Quoran sets down laws for everything from inheritance, to theft, to adultery. The harsh penalties include everything from chopping off a hand or foot for theft to beatings for adultery, to beheadings for infidels. The Quoran also allows Muslims to own slaves. Mohammed was a worldly ruler of a province and he had many wives at once including an underage girl. Some Political parties in both the Netherlands and Australia have adopted platforms that include banning any more Muslims from entering their country.
 
Don M. said:
Oh, yeah....Profiling here wouldn't last 24 hours before every ACLU member, and all the "Politically Correct" would be shouting. After all, if it quacks like a duck, and walks like a duck, we can't be sure that it is really a duck until it Craps all over the floor.
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AND we'd probably have to have a congressional investigation to determine if it was really DUCK crap before we'd call it a duck.
 
Sounds like the hunting season on ducks is going to change. (If not already)
 

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