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Just putting it out there. I grew up in the Southern Baptist church and it made me very doubtful that I needed to remain involved.
It seems that every religious group has the same problem.
When will it ever stop?
Just putting it out there. I grew up in the Southern Baptist church and it made me very doubtful that I needed to remain involved.
Just putting it out there. I grew up in the Southern Baptist church and it made me very doubtful that I needed to remain involved.
Just wondering, what is the penalty for protecting pedophiles from prosecution? Is there such a thing in criminal law?
Two misconceptions I see:I have become extremely skeptical of people who wrap themselves up with religious fervor, and "righteous indignation".,
The percentage of sexual abuse by religious figures may be similar in other professions, but there is a big difference.actually, "seems" is the correct word. The percentages of sex abuse, pedophilia in church institutions is the same percentage of these acts in the general society.
Sexual predators look for easy opportunities. So, if they want to molest children, they become soccer coaches, ice cream vendors...and, of course...the clergy.
The clergy is basically perfect cover. Who would think someone in the clergy would do something like that?
And it is not limited to sexual abuse.
In the East, there have been problems with the Tongs (Asian Mafia) infiltrating Buddhist temples to use them as cover for heroin smuggling!!!
We can't throw out the baby with the bathwater. Corruptions exist in every institution, touched by people.
That does not mean that we can just get rid of the institutions themselves.
My wife works for a major Catholic university. We are well aware of the pedophilia issues. That makes the press. What doesn't make the press are the endless, endless acts of charity, by the priest community...all over the world. Some of these folks literally go into war zones, risking their very lives to deliver food and medicine. And they stay there. And they live with them, at their economic level...living in poverty in order to respect them.
That kind of thing has been happening for the entire 2000 year history of the Church.
No institution is some kind of cartoonish bastion of evil.
Except New Jersey. That is a huge bastion of evil. I live here. I want out. Someone get me out of here! Please!
Since FuzzyBuddy put righteous indignation in quotes, I believe he was speaking of people with self-righteous attitudes.Two misconceptions I see:
1. "The Southern Baptist Convention" is entirely separate from the Baptist Church. Don't confuse the two. Big difference.
2. Righteous indignation is considered a positive thing when someone with this type of anger is on the right side...like when angry about a moral or unfair situation. It must not be confused with self-righteousness.
If something is happening against the laws of nature, acts of society, and laws of humanity and you are getting mad at it, then your anger is righteous indignation. Suppose you want to change that unfair treatment. Or you may be hurt because other people are not considering the unjust situations dangerous...but you wish to spread justice and righteousness, then your anger is a positive thing.
Here is the example: Mahatma Gandhi used his reactive emotion of anger for a productive purpose and used it wisely. India was under British rule for over 250 years. He used the positive power of righteous indignation to compel the British to leave India. It shows that righteous anger is a good thing if we use it as a positive power.
The percentage of sexual abuse by religious figures may be similar in other professions, but there is a big difference.
With other professions, perverts are not offered the protection & concealment that priests are. That's how they get away with it for so long.
That was my point em.Since FuzzyBuddy put righteous indignation in quotes, I believe he was speaking of people with self-righteous attitudes.
Two misconceptions I see:
1. "The Southern Baptist Convention" is entirely separate from the Baptist Church. Don't confuse the two. Big difference.
2. Righteous indignation is considered a positive thing when someone with this type of anger is on the right side...like when angry about a moral or unfair situation. It must not be confused with self-righteousness.
If something is happening against the laws of nature, acts of society, and laws of humanity and you are getting mad at it, then your anger is righteous indignation. Suppose you want to change that unfair treatment. Or you may be hurt because other people are not considering the unjust situations dangerous...but you wish to spread justice and righteousness, then your anger is a positive thing.
Here is the example: Mahatma Gandhi used his reactive emotion of anger for a productive purpose and used it wisely. India was under British rule for over 250 years. He used the positive power of righteous indignation to compel the British to leave India. It shows that righteous anger is a good thing if we use it as a positive power.
That's not true.
So many perverts and predators have been protected in other professions for decades in Sports, Hollywood, in Governments of many nations, and the rich who "buy a wall of protection" like Jeffrey Epstein did. Bill Clinton (not just in the White House but also visited Jeffrey Epstein's island) and those of British royalty like Prince Andrew who resigned with a slap on the wrist.
Then, when finally exposed, they end up getting released from prison like Jerry Sandusky. Many more were protected for so long like Harvey Weinstein, Bill Cosby, that Olympics Coach for the girls gymnastics. So please don't tell me that it's "only the religious institutions that "offer protection and concealment" for their own.
Jerrfrey Epstein also maintained long-term relationships with various high-profile individuals, including Donald Trump, Leslie Wexner, Bill Clinton, Alan Dershowitz, and Prince Andrew, Duke of York. wiki/Jeffrey_EpsteinThat's not true.
So many perverts and predators have been protected in other professions for decades in Sports, Hollywood, in Governments of many nations, and the rich who "buy a wall of protection" like Jeffrey Epstein did. Bill Clinton (not just in the White House but also visited Jeffrey Epstein's island) and those of British royalty like Prince Andrew who resigned with a slap on the wrist.
I meant "righteous indignation", because where was it when kids were being raped.That was my point em.
That's like putting quotes around "Apples" because you really meant to say Oranges.
He should have said self-righteous if that's what he meant...and not "righteous indignation" because they are different entirely.