Support prisoners fighting forest fires.

OregonGuy

OregonGuy

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My first full time job was to fight a fire on the Stanislaus National Forest in California.
I will never forget how hard the well-trained prisoners worked.

I cannot believe they are STILL only being paid one dollar an hour!
the following is an article that was just posted on Yahoo! news ..

Kim Kardashian is again leaping to defend the incarcerated and those she sees as unjustly treated by the U.S. government, this time advocating for incarcerated firemen in an Instagram Story posted over the weekend explaining how they are risking their lives to save the Los Angeles community for just $1 an hour.

The 44-year-old reality TV superstar and business mogul has been dipping into prison law reform since 2018, when a chance viewing of an online video about Alice Johnson, an incarcerated-for-life grandmother who was found guilty of involvement with a Memphis cocaine ring, led to Kardashian meeting with then-President Donald Trump to seek clemency for Johnson and ask him to support the First Step Act, which enacted major reforms in the prison system.
 

OregonGuy said:
My first full time job was to fight a fire on the Stanislaus National Forest in California.
I will never forget how hard the well-trained prisoners worked.

I cannot believe they are STILL only being paid one dollar an hour!
the following is an article that was just posted on Yahoo! news ..

Kim Kardashian is again leaping to defend the incarcerated and those she sees as unjustly treated by the U.S. government, this time advocating for incarcerated firemen in an Instagram Story posted over the weekend explaining how they are risking their lives to save the Los Angeles community for just $1 an hour.

The 44-year-old reality TV superstar and business mogul has been dipping into prison law reform since 2018, when a chance viewing of an online video about Alice Johnson, an incarcerated-for-life grandmother who was found guilty of involvement with a Memphis cocaine ring, led to Kardashian meeting with then-President Donald Trump to seek clemency for Johnson and ask him to support the First Step Act, which enacted major reforms in the prison system.
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Prisoners Fighting Forest Fires - Search News
 
I believe them putting their lives on line for others is enough of a motivator, regardless of the money they do or do not get. Remember: prison is not so much a punishment than time for them to figure out how not to break the law again.

Kim et al all need to remember prisoners are already getting 3 squares, accommodations, as well as free utilities and health care without paying a DIME.

Remember: there are literally THOUSANDS of volunteer firefighters in rural places in the US who do it for FREE.
KIM needs to explore where her money needs to go.
 
Aunt Bea said:
If they can’t pay the people fairly there should at least be some sort of deal for time off of their sentences, that could be a win win for everyone.
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They already get time off their sentences for "good behavior" without even fighting fires.
Can't agree with this; IMHO.
 
OP @OregonGuy "My first full time job was to fight a fire on the Stanislaus National Forest in California."

My hat is off to you. Such HARD and dangerous work. Glad you have lived to tell about it.
Know fire fighters/fighting well. My Dad was fire chief for nearly 50 years.
 
CooCooforCoCoPuffs said:
I believe them putting their lives on line for others is enough of a motivator, regardless of the money they do or do not get. Remember: prison is not so much a punishment than time for them to figure out how not to break the law again.

Kim et al all need to remember prisoners are already getting 3 squares, accommodations, as well as free utilities and health care without paying a DIME.

Remember: there are literally THOUSANDS of volunteer firefighters in rural places in the US who do it for FREE.
KIM needs to explore where her money needs to go.
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Kim Kartrashian also needs to remember they're not in prison for eating all the potato salad at the church picnic. What about "paying your debt to society" does she not understand?
 
jujube said:
Kim Kartrashian also needs to remember they're not in prison for eating all the potato salad at the church picnic. What about "paying your debt to society" does she not understand?
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LOLOL "....not in prison for eating all the potato salad at the church picnic"....
I LOVE hearing something I have never heard! That is a GREAT euphemism. Filed it under hilarious.
 
This was on the news this morning and discussed on a YouTube show I follow today.

I had made a comment about this and got one negative comment.

These are non violent offenders. Probably many who did things out of young stupidity, desperation, history of abuse. They don't need to be continued marginalized once out of prison. And I also heard on the news, this can reduce their prison term. Will some of them go back to prison once out? Probably. But this can help many.
 
Remy said:
This was on the news this morning and discussed on a YouTube show I follow today.

I had made a comment about this and got one negative comment.

These are non violent offenders. Probably many who did things out of young stupidity, desperation, history of abuse. They don't need to be continued marginalized once out of prison. And I also heard on the news, this can reduce their prison term. Will some of them go back to prison once out? Probably. But this can help many.
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The Level One inmates that are on the fire crews are lower rated offenders, and can't be "affiliated" with any prison or street gangs. Being able to perform a job and be off the prison institution is an opportunity that each inmate cherishes. I don't recall how much the Fire Crew inmates made, but it was much more than we paid our top workers in the Plant Operations Weld Shop, which IIRC was 35 cents an hour.
 
Nathan said:
The Level One inmates that are on the fire crews are lower rated offenders, and can't be "affiliated" with any prison or street gangs. Being able to perform a job and be off the prison institution is an opportunity that each inmate cherishes. I don't recall how much the Fire Crew inmates made, but it was much more than we paid our top workers in the Plant Operations Weld Shop, which IIRC was 35 cents an hour.
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My experience with inmates in the fire line was that we had one another's backs ... no time or desire to consider why they were inmates. rich or poor, from a different race, etc.

I presume they felt the same ... when faced with a dangerous fire they are liberated from the walls resulting from their past actions and free to concentrate on the current.
 
Prisoners are the best Hot Shot Crews out there. Bar none!

My hats off to all wildland firefighters. I took a training course when I was going to Auburn and passed it. I was certified by the US Forest Service for S110, S130 and S190, which I total forgot what that means, IF I even remembered correctly, as it was 1980. When I moved to Eureka, California, I got a job with CalFire and my first day on the job I decided that kind of work, one foot in the black and one in the red was not for me.
 

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