Target customers have become a target

rkunsaw

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Within three days of a new policy asking customers not to bring their guns to Target stores, reports have surfaced of armed attacks on customers at those stores.

Three Target shoppers at three different stores in Georgia alone have been robbed by armed thugs since the discount retailer announced on July 2, in a letter from its CEO, that customers should leave their guns at home when they visit Target.
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http://toprightnews.com/?p=4395
 

Another reason I do most of my shopping online! .. So far, no one has stuck a gun to my head while sitting at my computer. :disgust:
 

Most places where they have outlawed guns are the places where people are victims of gun violence from criminals, the movie theater, the military base, the schools, etc. Criminals are not stupid, they'd rather take out sitting ducks than be challenged by a responsible armed citizen.
 
I dont know what Target and those other stores are worried about, these hair brain nitwits have a right to use that red Target credit card in their stores.

 
The idea that having a bunch of hot heads running around in public packing handguns would make us safer ignores a lot of very likely scenarios.

Those who advocate that, seem to think that, like in the movies, the "good guys" always shoot straight, their bullets always magically go right where they were intended to go & never miss, pass thru the bad guy &/or or ricochet around & hit someone else.

God help us all when it gets to the point where it's more likely than not, that anyone you encounter in public is armed.

We'll probably start seeing more people getting cut down in the crossfire between legal gun owners than are getting shot by criminals.

And God forbid you get into a dispute over a parking space or a road rage incident.
 
re:Those who advocate that, seem to think that, like in the movies, the "good guys" always shoot straight, their bullets always magically go right where they were intended to go & never miss, pass thru the bad guy &/or or ricochet around & hit someone else.


Ever notice these good guys never run out of bullets? The NRA should look into this.:D
 
I am certainly never going to change anyone's mind about concealed carry and I have no intention of doing so.
my story: I am 76 years old and have handled guns all my life. I was brought up in the country where hunting was a way of life. In the service I fired 3.5 rocket launchers, pistols, rifles, hand grenades, and 30 cal machine guns. Ok, enough of that.

in Florida, I do have a concealed weapons permit and do carry either my Kel-tec 9 mm or .380 pocket gun. So far, I haven't shot any innocent people or run around like a nut scaring the hell out of people. I do not, or have not, had the occasion to use my weapon and hope to God I never do. But, if someone should ever threaten me, or my family, I will not hesitate to defend us.

So if anyone is down my way, come on over for a visit. My promise to you.....you won't even know I carrying and you may even like me even if I am one of those gun nuts. Pappy
 
SeaBreeze said:
I absolutely disagree, that is very untrue, IMO.
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A "responsible gun owner" is always looked upon that way until the day comes when they either accidentally shoot someone, accidentally allow their kid to get ahold of their gun & shoot themselves or someone else, or they snap & go on a shooting rampage.

Then, they are suddenly no longer considered a "responsible gun owner".
 
Pappy said:
I am certainly never going to change anyone's mind about concealed carry and I have no intention of doing so.
my story: I am 76 years old and have handled guns all my life. I was brought up in the country where hunting was a way of life. In the service I fired 3.5 rocket launchers, pistols, rifles, hand grenades, and 30 cal machine guns. Ok, enough of that.

in Florida, I do have a concealed weapons permit and do carry either my Kel-tec 9 mm or .380 pocket gun. So far, I haven't shot any innocent people or run around like a nut scaring the hell out of people. I do not, or have not, had the occasion to use my weapon and hope to God I never do. But, if someone should ever threaten me, or my family, I will not hesitate to defend us.

So if anyone is down my way, come on over for a visit. My promise to you.....you won't even know I carrying and you may even like me even if I am one of those gun nuts. Pappy
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I don't have a concealed gun permit yet Pappy, but may decide to get one sometime in the future. However, if I'm walking out in the deep woods somewhere, I'll have an open carry gun for protection against animals or lunatics. I've also had a loaded gun in the house ready to go for any emergency, and in all my years I thankfully have not had the need to use it. If someone comes into my home to threaten, rape or kill me or my family, I will not hesitate to kill them first. I will not be a victim if I can prevent it.
 
Mr. Jim, I'm wise enough to know that those with your thoughts on the subject are not likely to ever change your views. I'm not trying to change your personal views or opinions on gun control, and I respect your right to have them.

The majority of the gun crimes are done by criminals, gangs, mentally disturbed people on medications, etc. Law-abiding citizens should be able to protect themselves if they are threatened by these characters.

Gun-free zones have been the most popular response to previous mass killings. But many law-enforcement officials say they are actually counterproductive.

“Guns are already banned in schools. That is why the shootings happen in schools. A school is a ‘helpless-victim zone,’” says Richard Mack, a former Arizona sheriff. “Preventing any adult at a school from having access to a firearm eliminates any chance the killer can be stopped in time to prevent a rampage,”
Jim Kouri, the public-information officer of the National Association of Chiefs of Police, told me earlier this year at the time of the Aurora, Colo., Batman-movie shooting.

Indeed, there have been many instances — from the high-school shooting by Luke Woodham in Mississippi, to the New Life Church shooting in Colorado Springs, Colo. — where a killer has been stopped after someone got a gun from a parked car or elsewhere and confronted the shooter.

Economists John Lott and William Landes conducted a groundbreaking study in 1999, and found that a common theme of mass shootings is that they occur in places where guns are banned and killers know everyone will be unarmed, such as shopping malls and schools.

I spoke with Lott after the Newtown shooting, and he confirmed that nothing has changed to alter his findings. He noted that the Aurora shooter, who killed twelve people earlier this year, had a choice of seven movie theaters that were showing the Batman movie he was obsessed with. All were within a 20-minute drive of his home.

The Cinemark Theater the killer ultimately chose wasn’t the closest, but it was the only one that posted signs saying it banned concealed handguns carried by law-abiding individuals. All of the other theaters allowed the approximately 4 percent of Colorado adults who have a concealed-handgun permit to enter with their weapons.

“Disarming law-abiding citizens leaves them as sitting ducks,” Lott told me. “A couple hundred people were in the Cinemark Theater when the killer arrived. There is an extremely high probability that one or more of them would have had a legal concealed handgun with him if they had not been banned.

http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/335739/facts-about-mass-shootings-john-fund
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One day the US might wise up and see that the more guns that are in circulation the more gun crimes there will be, but I won't hold my breath!
 
MrJim said:
A "responsible gun owner" is always looked upon that way until the day comes when they either accidentally shoot someone, accidentally allow their kid to get ahold of their gun & shoot themselves or someone else, or they snap & go on a shooting rampage.

Then, they are suddenly no longer considered a "responsible gun owner".
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A responsible gun owner does none of those things, they don't accidentally shoot people, they are well trained in safety. They teach their children to respect guns and when they're old enough, the proper way to use them, handle them, clean them, etc. Responsible gun owners do not snap and go on shooting rampages.
 
SeaBreeze said:
A responsible gun owner does none of those things, they don't accidentally shoot people, they are well trained in safety. They teach their children to respect guns and when they're old enough, the proper way to use them, handle them, clean them, etc. Responsible gun owners do not snap and go on shooting rampages.
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Sorry to say this, but I think maybe you have been misinformed about that.

You could try telling all that to the former wife of this policeman if she were still alive. But she isn't.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/child-shoots-kills-tenn-deputys-wife-at-weekend-cookout/

Now tell me this... if anyone could be considered a "responsible gun owner", it would be a deputy sheriff, would it not? And yet, despite all his training, he manages to allow his own 4 y/o child to pick up a loaded gun, right under his nose, then shoot & kill his wife, who was also the child's mother.

So much for the supposedly "guaranteed" safety of guns in the hands of those "responsible gun owners", eh?

Or what about this guy? A 71 y/o ex-police officer who shot & killed a young father inside a movie theater for texting his baby sitter??

http://www.cnn.com/2014/01/13/justice/florida-movie-theater-shooting/

Was he considered a " responsible gun owner" prior to murdering a man in front of his wife for nothing?

Then, there are all those cases all across the country, where some kid manages to get ahold of mom or dad's gun & get caught with it at school or even worse, accidentally shoots another child. Happens all the time.

That Adam Lanza kid who massacred all those little tykes at Sandy Hook, got the guns he used from his "responsible gun owner" mother, who he killed prior to going on his rampage. This woman, a highly trained target shooter, knowing her son was mentally disturbed, allowed him to gain access to the guns in her home. Prior to her son's murderous act, she would've been considered by you & every other gun advocate to be a "responsible gun owner".

The truth is, every person you can name who has gone on a mass shooting spree, had no prior criminal record & was either a legal gun owner, or was the child of a legal gun owner who somehow allowed their guns to accessed. There is no way of knowing who will someday go off the deep end & start shooting up some public place no matter how responsible they may seem.

The guy who just massacred his wife's family in Texas had no prior criminal record either, so I'm sorry to say it, but your claim that only criminals use guns to shoot people, or that responsible gun owners don't snap & go on shooting rampages is just incorrect.

Every "responsible gun owner" is either a potential possible murderer, or a potential enabler of one, whether he or she thinks they are or not.

It can happen anywhere to anyone at any time.

That is reality.
 
SeaBreeze said:
Mr. Jim, I'm wise enough to know that those with your thoughts on the subject are not likely to ever change your views. I'm not trying to change your personal views or opinions on gun control, and I respect your right to have them.

The majority of the gun crimes are done by criminals, gangs, mentally disturbed people on medications, etc. Law-abiding citizens should be able to protect themselves if they are threatened by these characters.
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And what happens when half the public is walking around armed & the bullets start flying as they try to protect themselves from these criminals, but miss & accidentally hit some bystander? What happens when their bullets pass through the bad guy & kill the person standing behind them? What happens when the criminal surprises the legal gun owner & takes their gun away from them? What about all the guns being stolen from gun stores by criminals because the stupid store owners leave their inventory sitting in glass display cases rather than locking them up in a safe overnight?

I hear a lot of talk about responsible gun owners, yet I keep on hearing about their irresponsible actions.

Guns are dangerous no matter whose hands they are in & mistakes happen no matter how responsible one tries to be.
 
Mr. Jim, As it turns out, the man that killed the family of six turned out not to be the father, but the ex-brother-law of the mother. The killer was looking for his ex-wife, so the killer tied up his ex-sister and brother-in-law, all five of their children and shot them all. Only the oldest daughter survived.

We have now learned his own family were afraid of him and had restraining orders out on him. He did have a history violence.

What would you have done if this had happened to you? How would you have protected yourself?
 
Ina said:
Mr. Jim, As it turns out, the man that killed the family of six turned out not to be the father, but the ex-brother-law of the mother. The killer was looking for his ex-wife, so the killer tied up his ex-sister and brother-in-law, all five of their children and shot them all. Only the oldest daughter survived.

We have now learned his own family were afraid of him and had restraining orders out on him. He did have a history violence.

What would you have done if this had happened to you? How would you have protected yourself?
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Yes, I know he was not the father, he was an in law or something.

And whatever his history of violence was, I don't think he was a "known criminal" or a gangster, etc.

But that's not my point. My point is that gun advocates continually talk about how there are too many laws aimed at "responsible gun owners", when in reality, there is no way of knowing who " responsible gun owners" are & who lacks the common sense to be trusted with one in their home. They talk about" responsible gun owners" as if they have some kind of identifiable characteristic that one can look at & determine that they won't do something stupid one day. And we all know that most people are, at least occasionally, stupid. There is no way to know who is responsible & who isn't or who won't lose their marbles some day & stop being " responsible gun owners".

The problem is that there are too many damned guns floating around in society today & they are too easy to get.

I have no problem whatsoever with actual "responsible gun owners" owning guns, but the problem is that there is no way of knowing who those people are. You're always considered a good boy until you screw up.

If they ever come up with a reliable way to predict who will own their guns for a lifetime with no issues & who won't, I & every other American who is concerned with the gun problem will stop worrying & the gun lovers can just cover themselves with as many guns as they can carry for all we'll care.

And as far as what I'd do in that situation? What could anybody do? I don't think he called those people & warned them to be ready for him. They were probably totally surprised by him & even if they'd had a dozen guns in the house, would likely not have been able to get to them. How many gun owners walk around the house strapped or locked & loaded all day long?
 
Mr. Jim.... I certainly respect your opinion on us gun owners, but why stop at guns? How about people that commit crimes with knives, scissors, etc. How about adults that don't restrain their children in a car seat or do not use seat belts. Aren't they being irresponsible also?

I know now that we can come up with all kinds of what ifs and no one will win this debate. If you feel up to it, check with Floridas Concealed Forum. Maybe when you see the thousands of CW permits you might have a better understanding where I'm coming from..Pappy
 
Many times in gun free zones, the killers keep firing and killing people until the police come on the scene. And then the killings stop, and the killer kills himself. If the armed police had not arrived, they would keep shooting, and many of them had
the ammunition to take even more lives. In gun free zones, people are used as targets and the killers don't even know the people they are shooting. They are helpless victims.

That's why gun free zones are so attractive to killers. There are many instances in the newspaper where people have knives as weapons in a store, and another customer has a gun and shows it, and the would be killer drops his knife, and lives are saved. There are many stories in the news about gun owners saving lives.
 
What scares me are angry people with guns. People who have no self control and fly off the handle. Not to mention drugs and alcohol, and medication or lack of it. These folks should not touch a gun with a 10 foot pole!
 
With the bad economy and so many towns and cities now having financial problems; they are often having to make cutbacks on their budgets. This can result in less money to pay for adequate law enforcement. Many times, people have died, or a crime has been committed simply because the law enforcement cannot get to crime scenes fast enough.
I totally believe in calling for police help in an emergency, but sometimes just having a weapon to protect your self and your family can make the difference whether you live or die.

Even the police are now advising people in some areas that they need to take measures to protect their homes, and a weapon for self-defence. Here is one example, and this is for a large area in Florida.

http://www.truthrevolt.org/news/mia...nts-arm-themselves-after-possible-budget-cuts
 
There seems to be such a lack of respect for lives, and some I think comes from some of the Very Violent movies and video games on the market today. People are becoming desensitized to violence. The recent killings at the school and theater, were by killers who spent large parts of their days playing these games, which are very realistic..

Chicago had the strictest gun laws untill recently and the most murders, and now they have the most restrictive rules for getting a conceal carry license. In many states, after conceal carry went into effect, crime rates dropped.
 

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