The Government of Canada has introduced a new bill in Parliament that would freeze the sale, importation, or trading of hand guns, effective this fall

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jimintoronto

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The proposed new legislation would also prohibit magazines that hold more than 5 rounds. Anyone who is convicted of domestic violence will have their firearms confiscated by a Judge's Order. Anyone sent to a secure mental health facility will have their firearms seized. The sentences for those convicted of using a firearm ( of any type ) in a crime, will get stiffer punishment upon conviction. Sentences for those convicted of smuggling firearms into Canada will get tougher sentences upon conviction. The ruling Liberal party has already secured a agreement with the New Democratic Party to support this new legislation when it comes up for a vote in September. The Prime Minister commented at a press conference that " Canadians don't need a AR15 to bring down a deer ".

Here is a link to a BBC news article about this new proposed legislation. Handguns: Canada proposes complete freeze on ownership - BBC News

IN my personal view, this new legislation will pass with support from all 5 parties in the House. It is a major step towards the eventual ban on hand guns and semi automatic rifles in Canada. I can see a future where only bolt action rifles will be legal in Canada, with 5 round magazines, and hand guns will be illegal.

Yesterday in Texas the people in that small town chanted " Do Something " at your President. Canada is doing something. JimB.
 

GoneFishin said:
Unfortunately this still isn't going to keep the guns out of criminal's hands.
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I haven't read the entire proposed legislation. I do hope they limit the number of rounds of ammunition a dealer can sell. This is just another reason that I am sorry I didn't move to Canada when I had the chance.
 

In the US, any jackass can get a gun. I used to think "responsible" gun owners were OK. But tell me what a responsible gun owner looks like , and how do I know the gun owner will never wipe out his boss and his co-workers. You are upset that someone mowed down a school full of little kids, but stranger killings are statistically a tiny fraction of gun related deaths. Gun owners blowing their own brains out account for 60% of all gun related deaths-24,000. per year. And in almost the rest, the shooter knows the victim.

Some say then only the criminals will have guns. That's good, because they aren't the ones doing the vast majority of the killing. And no one needs a deer hunting rifle with a "rounds/minute" stat. The gun crowd knows they have to weather a couple of weeks of bad press till we forget about dead kids. Otherwise we might figure out that the only real purpose of a gun is to kill yourself or someone you know.

And occasionally a school full of kids. I whole heartedly praise Canada for this sane approach to fire arms. And for recognizing that people with guns kill.
 
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fuzzybuddy said:
In the US, any jackass can get a gun. I used to think "responsible" gun owners were OK. But tell me what a responsible gun owner looks like , and how do I know the gun owner will never wipe out his boss and his co-workers. You are upset that someone mowed down a school full of little kids, but stranger killings are statistically a tiny fraction of gun related deaths. Gun owners blowing their own brains out account for 60% of all gun related deaths-24,000. per year. And in almost the rest, the shooter knows the victim. Some say then only the criminals will have guns. That's good, because they aren't the ones doing the vast majority of the killing. And no one needs a deer hunting rifle with a "rounds/minute" stat. The gun crowd knows they have to weather a couple of weeks of bad press till we forget about dead kids. Otherwise we might figure out that the only real purpose of a gun is to kill yourself or someone you know. And occasionally a school full of kids.
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How to react to this.. I was really torn between thumbs up and sad. You made some depressingly accurate points.
 
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I will point out that this new proposed legislation includes a section that would see the firearms of a person convicted of domestic violence have their firearms seized, with no future license approval. Same thing for any person committed to a secure mental health facility. To me that covers two of the reasons why this new legislation will be passed by all parties in our Parliament. Current legislation requires that the spouse of a firearms applicant must sign the application, agreeing that the applicant should be allowed to be licensed. If the spouse or another immediate adult family member objects, the application is denied. Period. JimB.
 
fuzzybuddy said:
In the US, any jackass can get a gun. I used to think "responsible" gun owners were OK. But tell me what a responsible gun owner looks like , and how do I know the gun owner will never wipe out his boss and his co-workers. You are upset that someone mowed down a school full of little kids, but stranger killings are statistically a tiny fraction of gun related deaths. Gun owners blowing their own brains out account for 60% of all gun related deaths-24,000. per year. And in almost the rest, the shooter knows the victim. Some say then only the criminals will have guns. That's good, because they aren't the ones doing the vast majority of the killing. And no one needs a deer hunting rifle with a "rounds/minute" stat. The gun crowd knows they have to weather a couple of weeks of bad press till we forget about dead kids. Otherwise we might figure out that the only real purpose of a gun is to kill yourself or someone you know. And occasionally a school full of kids. I whole heartedly praise Canada for this sane approach to fire arms. And for recognizing that people with guns kill.
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Well said.(y)
 
Em in Ohio said:
I haven't read the entire proposed legislation. I do hope they limit the number of rounds of ammunition a dealer can sell. This is just another reason that I am sorry I didn't move to Canada when I had the chance.
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You still have the chance.
 
Depending upon the current Canadian gun purchasing laws, there may be a huge rush of gun purchases in the coming weeks/months before the new laws go into effect.
 
I think this is an emotional , reactionary response to a horrific tragedy.,
but this proposal is made from a limited view.
This is a first step to gun registration and gun confiscation.
This is a different country and not my business but I hope
in America we protect the Constitutional amendments as written.
 
The NRA is now among the most powerful special interest lobby groups in the US, with a substantial budget to influence members of Congress on gun policy.It strongly supports legislation that expands gun rights such as "open-carry" laws, which allow gun owners to carry their weapons, unconcealed, in most public places.Is this what Americans want? A return to the wild west? Most Americans I know, do not and feel the so calld “militia” is no longer relevant, so therefore the 2nd amendment is not necessary.
 
Gaer said:
I think this is an emotional , reactionary response to a horrific tragedy.,
but this proposal is made from a limited view.
This is a first step to gun registration and gun confiscation.
This is a different country and not my business but I hope
in America we protect the Constitutional amendments as written.
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you are right it is "none of your business" however, the killing of school children in the US is everybody's business.
 
Gaer said:
I think this is an emotional , reactionary response to a horrific tragedy.,
but this proposal is made from a limited view.
This is a first step to gun registration and gun confiscation.
This is a different country and not my business but I hope
in America we protect the Constitutional amendments as written.
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The Amendment you refer to reads: "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms shall not be infringed."

I'm sure the intent was not for civilians to own assault weapons and target other innocent civilians !

Random mass killings are not done by members of "A well regulated Militia."

What was the original intent of the Second Amendment? Many historians agree that the primary reason for passing the Second Amendment was to prevent the need for the United States to have a professional standing army. At the time it was passed, it seems it was not intended to grant a right for private individuals to keep weapons for self-defense.​

https://constitution.findlaw.com/amendment2.html#:~:text=The Supreme Court released very,t always easy to protect.
 
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Warrigal said:
What are the chances of this legislation becoming the law?
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The governing Liberal party has made a agreement with one of the opposition parties the New Democratic Party to vote together to get this bill passed. The Liberals are a minority Government, but with the support of the NDP they will have enough votes to get this bill proclaimed, after 3 readings in the House and debates and amendments to the wording. The Canadian public ( when polled ) gave this a 69 percent approval rating. We are moving towards the day when semi automatic rifles will be banned altogether, and so will all hand guns. Bolt action rifles with 5 round magazines are sufficient to hunt our large animals with. The proposed legislation will include a "buy back program " to pay gun owners for their weapons. JimB,
 
Don M. said:
Depending upon the current Canadian gun purchasing laws, there may be a huge rush of gun purchases in the coming weeks/months before the new laws go into effect.
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Unless a person all ready HAS a gun permit, they can't buy a firearm. The process to get a permit is several months long, so your idea won't happen. The legislation may become law by September of this year, depending on how the legal process goes in Parliament. JimB.
 
Gaer said:
I think this is an emotional , reactionary response to a horrific tragedy.,
but this proposal is made from a limited view.
This is a first step to gun registration and gun confiscation.
This is a different country and not my business but I hope
in America we protect the Constitutional amendments as written.
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You have gotten a number of things wrong.........First Canada all ready has gun registration. WE all ready DO confiscate guns from convicted criminals. This is NOT a response to events in the USA. It IS a reflection of the view by most Canadians that we need to further toughen our laws about guns. JimB.
 
morgan said:
I hope there isn't a stampede of Americans wanting to go to Cananda.
Good move Trudeau!
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Many Americans tried to apply to come to Canada when Trump was elected. Many of them found out that ( for many reasons ) they couldn't qualify as immigrants to come to Canada. Some of the reasons were their lack of a University graduate degree, and at least 5 years of directly related employment experience. Canada requires all immigration applicants to have at least $15,000 in cash in the bank when they apply, so they have enough money to support themselves for a year when they first arrive here. No bankruptcies, no criminal convictions, no medical disabilities, no history of drug use. Must pass a medical examination in their home country, and at their own expense. Canada wants young well educated self starters who can adapt quickly to life in our country. Canada does not have a "seniors visa ". American seniors can come and visit Canada for up to 183 days in any 12 month period of time, but they cannot work here, attend school here , or use any of our social services while in Canada. BTW the exact same rules apply to Canadian seniors who visit the USA. JimB.
 
Warning - opinion ahead...

Notwithstandng amateur and expert interpretations of the 2nd, the DC v Heller decision ruled that the right to keep and bear does apply to indivduals and it is the current reigning precedent. However, this does not mean that it is forever - witness Roe v Wade.

The simple, single solution of banning guns in the US is a pipe dream and those who clamor for that and nothing else are not serious and are just wasting energy.

Any anti-gun effort that is truly serious must, as it's first point, call for a constitutional convention for the purpose of repealing or modifying the 2nd amendment. It should also move forward with a continuous barrage of legal challenges aimed at overturrning Heller. Again, see Roe v Wade.

As far as legislation goes, which could contribute to the barrage of court cases, the anti-gun crowd must understand and accept the reality of the current situation. You have to propose something that is going to get 60 votes in the Senate. One way is to change the Senate - that's why we have elections. To continue to propose ridiculous things that are not going to get 60 votes just says they want the issue, not that they are serious about making changes.

I tire of false comparisons to Canada, Australia, etc. They don't have a constitutional right such as we do, so their governments can easily enact such sweeping actions.
 
fuzzybuddy said:
stranger killings are statistically a tiny fraction of gun related deaths. Gun owners blowing their own brains out account for 60% of all gun related deaths-24,000. per year. And in almost the rest, the shooter knows the victim.

... "criminals aren't the ones doing the vast majority of the killing."
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Where'd you get that information?

If it isn't criminals committing murder, then who?
 
Anyone who is convicted of domestic violence will have their firearms confiscated by a Judge's Order. Anyone sent to a secure mental health facility will have their firearms seized. The sentences for those convicted of using a firearm ( of any type ) in a crime, will get stiffer punishment upon conviction. Sentences for those convicted of smuggling firearms [into the country] will get tougher sentences upon conviction. @jimintoronto

Same here, per federal laws.
 

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