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BobF said:
Well, enough of the evil countries do use socialism as their guiding light. You are linked to England and much of what they do is socialist. But since WWII they have dropped a lot to private that they once did themselves. At one time much of their utilities were government run but now many parts have turned to private. Same for some industries. Still plenty of central control so I consider them to be more into socialism than the US is, or should be, if we want to continue to be considered to be a free country.
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Learn geography. I live in Scotland in the UK, not England. The result of privatising has made prices increase dramatically. They should have left these alone.

Shall we compare my NHS to the US healthcare system? The US ranks 7 in healthcare and is the most expensive in the world. The UK was rated number one. I'll take the NHS over the US healthcare system any time! No co-pays, no insurance costs, no worrying about having healthcare if uninsured. The NHS is not a FOR-PROFIT system like the US.

As for free countries...I know about and have visited countries that are not free, and the UK is certainly not one of them. You are brainwashed.
 

Let's all understand this, bobf does not understand the difference between socialism and communism and he never will allow himself the simple education to learn that difference. It is so obvious from his posts he does not intend to rethink the subject.
 
Ok, people, here's the challenge... what kind of gun control would you recommend? Also, the government knows that there are at least 300 million guns already in America somewhere. Most would argue the number is roughly 3 times that amount.
Keep in mind that it is already against the law for a felon, domestic violence offender, dishonorable discharge person, and mental health patient to own or carry a gun. We already have mandatory background checks and waiting periods for handguns, and some long guns. I here lots of people saying we need more gun control, So, what is your answer to this dilemma?
 

QuickSilver said:
You really need to look up the difference between communism and socialism... This country could not operate without socialistic programs and principles. It does not mean we are not "Free"... It means that many things are too big for the individual to accomplish alone.. and that society as a whole has to band together for the common good..
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You are right for sure. But even so, doing some thing from central does not make the US as socialist government. Examples being: Hoover Dam, built during a depression to create jobs and provide electricity to a large area of the US. Rockets to Moon and possibly Mars. Provide jobs to many industries but not one bit of permanence at all. Centrally backed by the government but private industries are trying to be good enough to break the government leadership. As I mentioned, the Interstate Highways system, more central government source for monies. So far all these efforts are but money from the central government but mostly private companies doing the jobs. So again, the socialized efforts are in the medical system, Medicare, Obama Care, I was going to say unemployment but that is state run and different from state to state.

Fortunately what the US does is way to independent from central control to say it is socialism. It is not me that needs to learn what socialism is.

Socialism is a social and economic system characterised by social ownership and/or social control of the means of production and co-operative management of the economy, as well as a political theory and movement that aims at the establishment of such a system.
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Ameriscot said:
Learn geography. I live in Scotland in the UK, not England. The result of privatising has made prices increase dramatically. They should have left these alone.

Shall we compare my NHS to the US healthcare system? The US ranks 7 in healthcare and is the most expensive in the world. The UK was rated number one. I'll take the NHS over the US healthcare system any time! No co-pays, no insurance costs, no worrying about having healthcare if uninsured. The NHS is not a FOR-PROFIT system like the US.

As for free countries...I know about and have visited countries that are not free, and the UK is certainly not one of them. You are brainwashed.
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I never said UK was not free, that is your twist of what I posted. Congratulations on having move to Scotland. Were not the Scots also part of what was once called English Empire. Things keep changing over their and for me it is hard to keep up with things. Yes, lots of us dummies do still call the islands England.

Why did you toss in the health care systems. Did you know that not too many years back the health system over there was near a tragedy. Horrible things were happening. Insufficient hospital spaces. Surgeries not done on weekends. Shortage of staff, nurses and such. Yes, and they have done much to change and improve. Even now have special medical units operating independently, similar to in the US.

A news clip from their past: about 2007

ttp://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/politics/7198709.stm


Clegg attacks health 'inequality'

Nick Clegg
Mr Clegg wants to fix Britain's 'clapped out' political system


Nick Clegg
Lib Dem leader Nick Clegg has launched an attack on the way the NHS is run, describing it as a service in "crisis".


"If only the National Health Service was a national health service.


"It is one of the most unequal health services in the modern world.
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/7135552.stm


Last Updated: Sunday, 9 December 2007, 20:30 GMT


Elderly to get personal care cash


Elderly woman
The elderly or their relatives will decide how the money is spent
Elderly people in England are to be given cash to fund their own social care, the health secretary has said.


From April, millions of pensioners will be handed control over how the money is spent, rather than relying on social workers to make the decisions.


Alan Johnson, who will officially announce the scheme on Monday, said it was a "radical transfer of power from the state to the public".


Younger disabled people could also be allocated a "personal budget" for care.


Councils will be given £520m over three years to improve services.


Everyone, irrespective of their illness or disability has the right to self-determination and maximum control over their own lives
Alan Johnson
Health Secretary


Individuals will be means-tested to assess their health and personal needs, and councils will then pay the cash into their bank accounts or those of nominated relatives.


According to the government, the changes are designed to create more competition among care agencies.


Mr Johnson said: "Our commitment that the majority of social care funding will be controlled by individuals, though personal budgets represents a radical transfer of power from the state to the public.


"Everyone, irrespective of their illness or disability has the right to self-determination and maximum control over their own lives."


'Real control'


Prime Minister Gordon Brown said the measures would give "real control" to individuals.


"These proposals for personal budgets will allow all those who would benefit from a personal budget to receive one, putting real control into the hands of those in care and their carers, leading to far more personal and responsive care."


This should only be the first step in a complete revolution in healthcare in which local communities hold health managers accountable through the ballot box
Nick Clegg
Liberal Democrat


Chairman of the Local Government Association Sir Simon Milton described the change as a "landmark agreement" and said it "should provide the foundation to give people independence, choice and dignity over their lives."


He added: "Given the pressures arising from an ageing population and rising expectations, we are pleased the government has also recognised that change comes at a price.


"The new grant for social care reform will go some way to enable councils to move towards a more personalised and preventative system of care."


But the plan did not go far enough for Liberal Democrat leadership contender Nick Clegg.


"This should only be the first step in a complete revolution in healthcare in which local communities hold health managers accountable through the ballot box, and every one of us is given real entitlements to high standard care wherever we live."


'Challenging'


However, campaign group Age Concern did welcome the scheme.


Director general Gordon Lishman said: "It is absolutely right to put older people's needs at the centre of the care system and to place a clear emphasis on preventive services.


"Older people and their families will continue to need information and support to help them negotiate the best care package at the best price with care providers.


"This will be challenging but we are sure it is something the government will want to address."
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With your comments, maybe these efforts really help the health system in England, or should I say UK.
 
Pointless to reply to you BobF. British Empire, not English Empire. Get a clue. Stop talking about things you know nothing about. NHS - socialist, which is the topic.

Why I took you off ignore I don't know. You're back on.
 
Ameriscot said:
Pointless to reply to you BobF. British Empire, not English Empire. Get a clue. Stop talking about things you know nothing about. NHS - socialist, which is the topic.

Why I took you off ignore I don't know. You're back on.
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Does that mean I don't have to listen to your snotty remarks any more. You can not decide which country you like? Sure surprises me as once the US wanted all to be loyal or else. This modern way of not having to have loyalties is strange to say the least.

Did you read my post on the NHS? Plenty of problems over the years. And for those health care compares, they change all the time.

I guess that is why we keep on taking all these walk in residents and ship more from overseas. We don't need loyalties any more. Just folks to show up and use our facilities and mercies.

I suppose that if I had time and money to travel the world it might may it easier to remember the UK history and constant changing of names.

Was it Scotland that just recently said they were leaving the UK, or was that the Irish, doesn't really matter as they just have no where to go if they leave UK. Just more downhill problems.
 
Oh stop it Bob... why don't you EVER take the time to read and learn from others... You will soon discover that you are wrong on so many points.. Your mind is closed and for some reason you are refusing to open it. We are never too old to learn... keep that in mind
 
QuickSilver said:
Oh stop it Bob... why don't you EVER take the time to read and learn from others... You will soon discover that you are wrong on so many points.. Your mind is closed and for some reason you are refusing to open it. We are never too old to learn... keep that in mind
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Speak of not reading, that seems to be the problem with too many folks on this forum. That don't know where she is loyal to person did not read my post about health care or she would realize that I was posting history of the medical services over in UK territory from back in early 2005 when many folks in the hospitals were falling sick and dead. I posted in 2007 of problems in the health system and also of changing the ways they were studying and considering changes to the system. So if they now get a good rating, more power to them. I was not putting the health system down.

She needs to read and understand what is said as earlier she claimed I said England /UK was evil. I never said that and if she really read my post the following statements were about how they had ended lots of big government running of businesses and utilities and allowed private enterprises take the responsibility.

If I was wealthy enough to spend all my time traveling from one country to another I might better remember the many names and times for countries I could have lived in.

If she never does another nasty note to me I appreciate that.
 
OMG, the TN Lt. Governor wants christians to arm themselves! http://www.tennessean.com/story/new...ith-should-consider-handgun-permits/73203888/

Along with this story about a gay boy who was kicked out of his private christian school for requesting he bring his boyfriend to the homecoming dance....and the stupid comments by a school official...
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/gay-teen-catholic-homecoming_5604c66fe4b0768126fd09d3
I'm now feeling a bit embarrassed that I chose to live in TN for ten years by choice.
 
BobF said:
I suppose that if I had time and money to travel the world it might may it easier to remember the UK history and constant changing of names.
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I must address this remark. One does not have to travel to know the proper names of countries, especially those who are close allies of the US.

As for the constant changing of names??!! The Republic of Ireland has not been a part of the UK since 1922. The proper name is the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland and has been the official name since 1927. How is this constant?! Do you need a map to explain this?
 
Ameriscot said:
I must address this remark. One does not have to travel to know the proper names of countries, especially those who are close allies of the US.

As for the constant changing of names??!! The Republic of Ireland has not been a part of the UK since 1922. The proper name is the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland and has been the official name since 1927. How is this constant?! Do you need a map to explain this?
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That may be an official name but it is not at all constant to what the people over there seem to call it. What about the Scottish folks, aren't they part of the mix? Hopefully you will learn more about things as you grow older. Your brilliance is only a temporary thing.

Wait till you are more broke or at least older. The memory goes away and all things become more difficult to remember. The UK, as you prefer to call it has changed more than you say. Ireland is but a part of the entire mess. I know others that have spent their lives in England and they never give me any ration about my stupidity or snotty posts for my mistakes. One thing of the folks in the UK do have that you seem to lack is good manners and friendliness to others. You check book must be all you love.

My son has lived in England and he liked it and the people. I guess he never met you. Fortunate for him.
 
I did take a look at maps and found that England is a common work and not something evil or stupid as you imply when I used England. Best get you smarts revised and become a real citizen of this world. In other words, toss of your smart mouth attitudes and snotty posts. We on this forum do not deserve such trash posts.


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BobF said:
That may be an official name but it is not at all constant to what the people over there seem to call it. What about the Scottish folks, aren't they part of the mix? Hopefully you will learn more about things as you grow older. Your brilliance is only a temporary thing.

Wait till you are more broke or at least older. The memory goes away and all things become more difficult to remember. The UK, as you prefer to call it has changed more than you say. Ireland is but a part of the entire mess. I know others that have spent their lives in England and they never give me any ration about my stupidity or snotty posts for my mistakes. One thing of the folks in the UK do have that you seem to lack is good manners and friendliness to others. You check book must be all you love.

My son has lived in England and he liked it and the people. I guess he never met you. Fortunate for him.
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OMG do I have to spell it out to you. It's not rocket science! Scotland is in Great Britain as are England and Wales.

Ireland is not and never has been part of Great Britain, only the UK. Northern Ireland is part of the UK. And the name used most often is The UK. Great Britain or Britain is when you are referring this island that you keep wanting to refer to as England. If your son lived in England you should have learned the difference. I love how people think this nation is so small that we all know each other. There are 60 million.

And I'm not in danger of going broke, nor do I use a primitive checkbook. :rolleyes:

I am friendly to people who don't constantly spew throw together a bunch of rubbish and call it facts or bash things they know nothing about.

http://www.historic-uk.com/HistoryUK/HistoryofBritain/The-UK-Great-Britain-Whats-the-Difference/
 
BobF said:
I did take a look at maps and found that England is a common work and not something evil or stupid as you imply when I used England. Best get you smarts revised and become a real citizen of this world. In other words, toss of your smart mouth attitudes and snotty posts. We on this forum do not deserve such trash posts.


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Can you not even figure out your own posts???!!!! Look at the map carefully. England is one country in Great Britain and the UK. Scotland is not in England. Wales is not in England. The entire island is not called England,


I give up. I'll go bash my head against a wall now.
 
Ameriscot said:
OMG do I have to spell it out to you. It's not rocket science! Scotland is in Great Britain as are England and Wales.

Ireland is not and never has been part of Great Britain, only the UK. Northern Ireland is part of the UK. And the name used most often is The UK. Great Britain or Britain is when you are referring this island that you keep wanting to refer to as England. If your son lived in England you should have learned the difference. I love how people think this nation is so small that we all know each other. There are 60 million.

And I'm not in danger of going broke, nor do I use a primitive checkbook. :rolleyes:

I am friendly to people who don't constantly spew throw together a bunch of rubbish and call it facts or bash things they know nothing about.

http://www.historic-uk.com/HistoryUK/HistoryofBritain/The-UK-Great-Britain-Whats-the-Difference/
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Great you are starting to explain yourself. Lots of changes over there as you just posted. England is not a bad word as you claimed. UK is only a part of the region along with lots of others. Much of that means little to us folks in the US. In WWII we all fought with England to save their butts. There wasn't any of you smart mouth activity then or until you started it recently.

Oh my goodness, we live on credit and no checkbooks. So what is that supposed to mean to me? I have credit cards too, but with not much to back them up. If you are traveling and vacationing all around the world, there has to be something to back up your credit cards. Not all of us have that pleasure fund at our disposal.

I am friendly to people who don't constantly spew throw together a bunch of rubbish and call it facts or bash things they know nothing about.

But you are the one making the judgements and accusations. Not me. I am just posting as I see things and the good old judger of right and wrong has called my use of England to be wrong for me to do and I must use UK instead. Not true as I showed with the map listings using England over and over. It is not a bad word but rather seems to be a historical generalization for a much larger area.

I know, you know everything and can say that to any and all. Why don't you apply the no longer listening or responding button like you promised yesterday. I know I won't mind if you no longer post and maybe others might enjoy the quieter times too.
 
I honestly know that what you think and post is true and everyone else is wrong bob but it is you who speaks gibberish. Others try politely to inform you and you get nasty and insulting. Why not take a little break and maybe you'll be calmer in a few weeks? Annie is a lady and a wonderful member and you talk to her like most wouldn't talk to a dog. Knock it off. Calm down. Rest...please.
 
Jim, go back through this thread and see who started calling me dumb and stupid about using the term England in general statements. My responses have been nothing but rebuttals to her nasty posts about my knowledge of England and all its neighbors. She makes no sense with her superior attitude and deserves all the rebuttals I can put together. Especially this last one where I found England to be used a lot on these web sites.

She may be nice to some but for me she has been not so nice and that gives me license to return the attitude.
 
She never insulted you but you were absolutely beyond the line with your insults to her. Once and for all England is part of the United Kingdom. Take a break from this Bob.
 
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