'The Science,' the Beeb, the Guardian, and the Greeniacs.

Diwundrin

Well-known Member
It's all too involved to explain to those who just came in, but anyone suspicious that 'Climategate' is real will already know the background.
Suffice to say I was rendered ecstatic to see this first article as it alleges everything DB and I have been bleating about for years with regard to our own National Broadcaster. The bias has been breathtaking! So much in fact that this investigation into it's sister UK broadcaster didn't rate a mention on the news. Wonder why? Too busy shredding papers?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ret-green-propaganda-training-executives.html

The second link is to their partner in conspiracy, the dear old Guardian. . The last 4 paragraphs say it all about their stance on science and presentation of facts. A reminder that the sole reporter accompanying the 'melting ice' climate scientists stuck fast in Antarctica was from.... the Guardian. This is their spin on the corruption allegations.

http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2013/oct/28/bbc-coverage-favouring-climate-change-sceptics

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Earlier this month, the biologist Steve Jones, who reviewed the BBC's science output in 2011, told the Guardian he was concerned that the BBC was still wedded to an idea of "false balance" in presenting climate sceptics alongside reputable scientists.


He said: "This goes to the heart of science reporting – you wouldn't have a homeopath speaking alongside a brain surgeon for balance, as that would be absurd. It's just as absurd to have a climate sceptic for balance against the work of the overwhelming majority of climate scientists."

[Inserted comment: Diwundrin]
What is absurd is to denigrate the equally, and in some cases better, qualified scientists who don't agree with their paid for puppet ones to the level of 'homeopaths!'.


The BBC said in 2012 it moved quickly to put many of Jones' recommendations on science reporting into effect, including the appointment of a science editor for the whole of the corporation's output.


But earlier this year in a select committee hearing David Jordan, head of editorial standards, told MPs that the broadcaster had decided not to follow Jones' key recommendations on climate change: "[Jones] made one recommendation that we did not take on board. He said we should regard climate science as settled we should not hear from dissenting voices on the science."

Yep nothing biased about 'dissent vill be verboten!' folks.

Righto, into it Warri, I'm sure you can explain how Rupe's behind it all to impose World domination by rich media bastards or something.
(As opposed to World domination imposed by the Green Technology rich bastards, like Al Gore.)
 

I would just issue one word of caution; the Daily Mail is not believed by most Brits I know.....and I don't think that Beeb has been too bad...

That is quite a lot of words.....sorry!
 
This is the list of the twenty-eight (28) "specialists" who advised the BBC on how to handle "the science" ... back in 2006. Check 'em out:

Specialists:

Robert May, Oxford University and Imperial College London
Mike Hulme, Director, Tyndall Centre, UEA
Blake Lee-Harwood, Head of Campaigns, Greenpeace
Dorthe Dahl-Jensen, Niels Bohr Institute, Copenhagen
Michael Bravo, Scott Polar Research Institute, University of Cambridge
Andrew Dlugolecki, Insurance industry consultant
Trevor Evans, US Embassy
Colin Challen MP, Chair, All Party Group on Climate Change
Anuradha Vittachi, Director, Oneworld.net
Andrew Simms, Policy Director, New Economics Foundation
Claire Foster, Church of England
Saleemul Huq, IIED
Poshendra Satyal Pravat, Open University
Li Moxuan, Climate campaigner, Greenpeace China
Tadesse Dadi, Tearfund Ethiopia
Iain Wright, CO2 Project Manager, BP International
Ashok Sinha, Stop Climate Chaos
Andy Atkins, Advocacy Director, Tearfund
Matthew Farrow, CBI
Rafael Hidalgo, TV/multimedia producer
Cheryl Campbell, Executive Director, Television for the Environment
Kevin McCullough, Director, Npower Renewables
Richard D North, Institute of Economic Affairs
Steve Widdicombe, Plymouth Marine Labs
Joe Smith, The Open University
Mark Galloway, Director, IBT
Anita Neville, E3G
Eleni Andreadis, Harvard University
Jos Wheatley, Global Environment Assets Team, DFID
Tessa Tennant, Chair, AsRia

Happened January 26th 2006, BBC Television Centre, London. The BBC's credibility is shot to pieces ..... TwentyEightGate? :aargh:
 

I would just issue one word of caution; the Daily Mail is not believed by most Brits I know.....and I don't think that Beeb has been too bad...

That is quite a lot of words.....sorry!

.... Viv this has nothing to do with you really, you're new and gave me an opening, but you'll get used to me climbing on soapboxes at the least glint of a pretext and boring everyone rigid with my 'con men' obsession.


Granted Viv, we know about the Daily Mail, we also 'know' about the Guardian and trust it equally.
The Beeb? The Saville=cover-up is still stinging and it's not the entity we grew up trusting implicitly any longer. It's run differently, it's 'marketed' now, it has to compete and to do that it simply can't hold to the rigid principles it was noted for in the past. It's all about appearances and spin and 'viewer connection' these days. That's a sad fact of life but it shouldn't still pretend to be infallible. And we shouldn't still believe it to be.

Nor is our ABC what it was, they've become politicized too, which was never their brief. The spin about 'educating as well as reporting' is a furfy of grand order. For 'education' read propaganda suited to the agenda of which ever political persuasion is in Govt and is funding their budget.

There were very pale faces on a few of the ABC opinion piece journos when the Government changed here. The usual frothing lefty rhetoric became quite measured and approached sensible when their funding was in the balance. Especially as it was the same time Greece closed theirs down entirely to save a bit on the budget deficit. That focused their attention and unbiased them wonderfully. It also proved the extent of their dedication to their opinions, which are apparently only pocket deep.

Our Western media are not a lot better, or free, than those we deride harsh regimes for. They use Gulags and machine gun diplomacy to influence media, and the 'Democratic West' uses money as a weapon. Same ultimate outcome. We get the news/propaganda spun the way they want us to hear it.

We can't take anything we see read or hear at face value these days. We'll always tend to believe the people who express similar opinions to our own and give them more credence. But we should be sure that we hold those opinions because of what we have reasoned out for ourselves and haven't formed them simply from something we heard that sounded breathlessly sincere from someone who was paid to say it... like a lot of 'climate scientists' and 'journalists'.
Sure Murdoch and ilk have a few in the pocket, but so do the Leftists/Green movement.... just sayin' there are two sides to everything and I grow very suspicious of the side who demands that only their version be heard.
Those 'dissenter' stopping moves are a worry whichever side they come from.

Would you believe there was an attempt to curtail freedom of the press here by the Labor government because they didn't like the opinions expressed in the Murdoch rags? It was yelled down speedily but that it was raised at all scared more voters off than they could imagine. There was no such move from them, when 2 terms before, the Murdoch press had supported them and was a big factor in them gaining power in the first place.

Allegiances change, so what about the people who believed Rupe's first version of how wonderful the Labor Party were and formed opinions from that? Are they to still hold them, despite all proof to contrary? Or have another close look at what is really going on now that the original 'facts' and allegiance agendas have changed?


I don't give a toss what people believe or what side of an argument they are on or if it's climate, politics, or religion as long as it is their own opinion and not quoted from some spin doctor.
I just hate and fight the bullsh*t from the media that uses smoke and mirrors and spin and doesn't give them a fair go to form an opinion for their own right reasons because don't give them the full story.

I'm not crusading for the spinners, scientific or journalistic, to achieve righteousness overnight or anything like that, that's never gonna happen. I'm just crusading for people to stop believing them unquestioningly. I want them to wonder why the journo, or scientist holds his opinion and what caused him to form it. To ask themselves who is paying him and what's in it for him career wise. Duzzen even matter if they're wrong or right just as long as we don't put all our bets on them on a whim because it sounds like it's 'for our own good.' You can bet it's for somebody's good but it's seldom ours as a whole.

People have become aware of the massive political and media cons promulgated by Big Oil and Big Pharmaceuticals, they just followed the money trail and there it all was, laid bare. They are just beginning to become aware of the Big Climate con. We'll get there, the same way, when people take a harder look at the trail.

[/ramble] Sorry. a bit. but not much.
 
No probs, Di, I am more on your side than you realise! I do try and defend the BBC, as I can't see anything better; I never believe the Daily Mail, just enjoy defending my corner, and a bit of devil's advocate every so often.
may we continue sparring?!
 
Yes please! Verbal jousting is a favourite game, ask Warri. I'm usually the devil's advocate to her Pollyanna. We only 'play' it for fun and to keep our brains awake though, no prizes involved for 'wins' and we still stay pals when we 'lose' one. It's an entertaining way to get views across while not rocking any forum boats with bad vibes.

Spar away. .
 

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