Thyroid

rt3

Senior Member
one of the biggest sell jobs in pharmaceutical history was convincing the public they needed t4 or Synthroid. but some chemical backround first so hold on. T4 and T3 are made by your body usually at the cell site but some also circulates in the blood. t4 is NOT active and needs to be converted to t3 which is the active metabolite. T3 gets a bad rap because it supposedly doesn't cross the blood brain barrier, thus getting into the brain where it is also needed.

When t4 is converted it becomes t3 and an isomer rt3 in equal quantities. rt3 is inactive and competes with the same receptor site as the active t3. it prohibits the good t3 from working. what happens in most people who take Synthroid is they have to keep increasing the dose of it to get results, neither the MD or the patient understand they are actually taking 50% of a drug that keeps the other 50% from working. this is easily cured by switching to t3, or cytomel.

t3 works very will in sciatic nerve conditions and fibromyalgia if dosed properly
 

I take Levothyroine 88MCG. It started at 125MCG, 7 years ago, Then is was lowered to 100MCG, and presently it was brought down to 88MCG. Is it possible that I could come off the thyroid medicine?
 

Don't mean to sound as if I'm against all medical applications of . . . stuff. I mean . . . hey, penicillin! And, I'm glad people are getting some needed relief from their ailments. BUT, the hard sell and manipulation of convincing people they NEED some crap advertised on television and doctors become pushers for said crap . . . well, makes me need something to just calm down...
 
I'm sure there must be plenty of natural cures out there for thyroid problems, my daughter got something for her problem from the health food shop.
 
I have very little faith in the 'remedies' from health food shops. Hubby suffers with Psoriasis, a few years back he was told about all the help that was available from the health food shops, so he spent over $50 on what the assisant said would help the condition no end, it was all worse than useless.
Any time that I've bought stuff for one condition or another, nothing serious, it was a waste of time & money.
 
I have very little faith in the 'remedies' from health food shops. Hubby suffers with Psoriasis, a few years back he was told about all the help that was available from the health food shops, so he spent over $50 on what the assisant said would help the condition no end, it was all worse than useless.
Any time that I've bought stuff for one condition or another, nothing serious, it was a waste of time & money.

Psoriasis is so difficult to help.....if at first you don't succeed; but health food shops don't tend to do anything strong enough.

I looked at an NZ pharmacy for a morning.....similar to ours.
 
Does anyone here have nodules on their Thyroid? I have 8 nodules and they are really annoying and make swallowing a pain, along with a few other things, i now have a cough like bronchitis, just about to change Doctors as the one i am seeing is hopeless
 
she needs t3 not synthroid. synthroid is not active it must be converted to t3,
Cee your synthroid is not active because it is not being converted to t3

There is no accurate lab test for Thyroid, in addition to that, the recent lab values for TSH have been lowered to 3 instead of 5 which makes 30% of the population low on thyroid.

the effects of t3 are immediate, you do not have to have or take a lab test to tell if you feel, (less depressed,) your hair is not falling out, your bowel movements are regular, there is no fog (mucous) build up in front of your eyes.

everyone over the age of 30 has low thyroid.

there is no health food answer for thyroid.

At least get of Synthroid and get on desicatted thyroid product so you will be getting some t3.

I do not want the thyroid level of a 70 year old. I want the t3 level of a 30 year old, and it is.
 
lets talk about dosing-- not going to talk about Synthroid or t4 here because for the upteem time it is not active. If you don't know the t3 level you don't know. The dose is in the micromilligram level. 50 mcg is the dose of LSD. 50 mcg is the dose of Cytomel. On a wt. basis thyroid is extremely active. Thyroid is in the same chemical family as all phenylethylamines which include amphetamine, nasal decongestants, and epi. norepi, etc. This is were the old wives tails comes from about the CNS stimulation and heart fib. It works by calcium ion channel gating, and like all hormones is an on, off switch, not a direct vasoconstrictor like epi. It has a short half life and must be dosed several times a day. Because of this Synthroid or t4 became famous because it was sold has having a long half life and only needed to be dosed daily. What does it matter when its dosed if the drug isn't active?
 
I have suffered with Hypothyroidism (underactive Thyroid) for around 10 years.
Very common in women post menopause.
I take 75 mcg of Thyroxine a day and have blood tests every 12 months.
I'd never go off my tablets or alter the dose.:noway:
 
Fill 3000 rx compounded rxs a day for Cenegenics, Physioage, MedQuest . Current on Hormone Replacement Therapy, they are not. When using t4 the only thing the prescriber can do is chase the lab values. Why wouldn't your blood tests varying with the dose you are on? Since were are bringing relative in, my daughter is a clinical pathologist for AURP the largest drug tester in the world, (and the dept. head of pathology for a major hospital) and her husband is an electro-physiologist (puts pace makers, ablations).
Not telling you to stop Synthroid, (however you are probably taking a generic and technically not Synthroid). Cee, not being impolite or anything, but I don't care if you listen to me, I have to explain this stuff to 50 doctors a day, I'm past caring. Just for fun however, ask (pick a relative or all of them) and ask them the difference between reverse t3 and regular t4, or better yet ask them which one is active t4, reverse t3 or t3.
 
The complaint that generic Synthroid and name brand are different is a common one from the 90's. It arises from the fact that the prescribers do not understand the differences between rt3 and t3 which is causing the problem. Ask your sister about this.
 
not to be contrary but clinical experience is a much better gauge. You have already told me that you feel your thyroid is too low, but your dose is being set by a statistical sampling based on an incorrect model. you are the one suffering not them. what a shame!
 
stop thinking of thyroid as a drug and putting it the same class as drug pushers, lab values etc. the people who take thyroid ---a HORMONE ----know more than the people, who prescribe it, and certainly anyone having a canned answer against new things. lab tests take along time because the test doesn't measure the thyroid but TSH which does take along time to change. but the person that just had their dose increased/decreased will tell you that afternoon something is right/wrong. which one you gonna believe? doesn't matter to me, I've seen this movie thousands of times (literally)--- I believe the patient.
 
you have t4 and t3 mixed up, t3 will cause immediate changes you are taking t4 which takes several days to get converted depending on the site. and that is under ideal conditions, if you have an immune response, low Vit. D3, e2 or p4 out of whack, the good effects may take longer. T3 shortage (note I am not calling it thyroid shortage) mimics and almost duplicates e2 problems.
 
Here's an article that may have some useful information. Rt3, please give us your input as to its accuracy. I don't have any thyroid issues yet, but it's good to know about these heath problems. :)

Alternative Answers for Hypothyroidism

Primary Hypothyroidism, or under active thyroid gland, may cause a variety of
symptoms and may affect all body functions. The body's normal rate of
functioning slows, causing mental and physical sluggishness. The symptoms may
vary from mild to severe, with the most severe form called myxedema, which is a
medical emergency.

The secretion of T3 and T4 is controlled by the pituitary
gland and the hypothalamus. Thyroid disorders may result not only from defects
in the thyroid gland itself, but also from abnormalities of the pituitary or
hypothalamus.

The most common cause of Hypothyroidism is Hashimoto's Thyroiditis, a disease of
the thyroid gland where the body's immune system attacks the gland.

Failure of
the pituitary gland to secrete a hormone to stimulate the thyroid gland
(secondary Hypothyroidism) is a less common cause of Hypothyroidism. Other
causes include congenital defects, surgical removal of the thyroid gland,
irradiation of the gland, or inflammatory conditions.

A physical examination reveals delayed relaxation of muscles during tests of
reflexes. Pale, yellow skin; loss of the outer edge of the eyebrows; thin and
brittle hair; coarse facial features; brittle nails; firm swelling of the arms
and legs; and mental dullness may be present. Vital signs may reveal slow heart
rate, low blood pressure, and low body temperature.

A chest X-ray may reveal an enlarged heart.
A complete blood count (CBC) that shows anemia.


Laboratory tests to determine thyroid function include:
T4 test (low)
serum TSH (high in primary Hypothyroidism, low or low-normal in secondary
Hypothyroidism)


Additional laboratory abnormalities may include:
increased Cholesterol levels
increased liver enzymes
increased serum prolactin
low serum sodium


Causes

The most common cause is Hashimoto's Thyroiditis. The thyroid is gradually
destroyed, Hypothyroidism develops.

Subacute painless Thyroiditis and subacute painful Thyroiditis can both cause
transient Hypothyroidism. The Hypothyroidism is transient because the thyroid is
not destroyed.

Hypothyroidism can develop from complete lack of thyroid hormone production
because of radioactive iodine or surgical removal of the thyroid gland, both of
which are used to treat Hyperthyroidism and thyroid cancer.

Some causes of Hypothyroidism include some inherited disorders in which an
abnormality of the enzymes in thyroid cells prevents the gland from making or
secreting enough thyroid hormones. In other rare disorders, either the
hypothalamus or the pituitary gland fails to secrete enough thyroid-stimulating
hormone, which is necessary for normal stimulation of the thyroid.

Symptoms

Insufficient thyroid hormone causes body functions to slow. Symptoms are subtle
and develop gradually. They may be mistaken for depression, especially among
older people.

Facial expressions become dull, the voice is hoarse and speech is
slow, eyelids droop, and the eyes and face become puffy. Many people with
Hypothyroidism gain weight, become constipated, and are unable to tolerate cold.
The hair becomes sparse, coarse, and dry, and the skin becomes coarse, dry,
scaly, and thick. Some people develop carpal tunnel syndrome, which makes the
hands tingle or hurt.

Diagnosis

Usually Hypothyroidism can be diagnosed with one simple blood test: the
measurement of thyroid-stimulating hormone. Many experts suggest that the test
be performed at least every other year in people older than 55, because
Hypothyroidism is so common among older people yet so difficult, in its mild
stages, for doctors to distinguish from other disorders that affect people in
this age group.

In those rare cases of Hypothyroidism caused by inadequate secretion of
thyroid-stimulating hormone, a second blood test is needed to measure the level
of the thyroid hormone T4 that is not bound by protein (free). A low level
confirms the diagnosis of Hypothyroidism.

A total T4 and/or Free T4, and a Total
T3 and/or Free T3 should be run in addition to a TSH. (Many doctors use the T3
uptake test, but it is not a direct test of T3 levels, and can be influenced by
other hormones.

The T7 test or Free T4 Index is a calculated test and of little value. Then get
the actual value of your blood tests and compare them with the lab reference
ranges. The lab reference ranges are very wide, and you might not feel well with
low normal results.

Some doctors realize this, and you might be able to talk
him/her into a trial of thyroid hormone with low normal lab values. Often,
thyroid antibodies tests and TRH stimulation test are abnormal even when blood
tests are within reference ranges.

A TRH stimulation test measures one form of secondary Hypothyroidism,
originating in the pituitary gland.

Treatment

Treatment involves replacing thyroid hormone using one of several oral
preparations. The preferred form of hormone replacement is synthetic T4. Another
form, desiccated (dried) thyroid, is obtained from the thyroid glands of
animals. In general, desiccated thyroid is less satisfactory than synthetic T4
because the content of thyroid hormones in the tablets may vary. In emergencies,
such as myxedema coma, doctors may give synthetic T4, T3, or both intravenously.

Treatment begins with small doses of thyroid hormone, because too large a dose
can cause serious side effects, although large doses may be necessary. The
starting dose and the rate of increase are especially small in older people, who
are often most at risk of side effects. The dose is gradually increased until
the levels of thyroid-stimulating hormone in the person's blood return to
normal.

Homeopathy

Argentum nitricum is an excellent homeopathic remedy for people who are
extremely anxious. They are usually open, outgoing, talkative, and very
likeable. They sometimes have so much mental energy pouring out that they find
it difficult to not say too much.

They often have a very strong desire for
sweets and can have a terrible aggravation after ingesting them. They can have
considerable anticipatory anxiety, fears about their health, and often extreme
claustrophobia, fear of elevators, bridges, high places, and corners.

Vitamin/Supplement Therapy

The first way to combat low thyroid hormones is by avoiding goitrogenic foods
like soybeans, peanuts, millet, turnips, cabbage and mustard. These foods block
the thyroid from using iodine, an element vital for thyroid hormone production.

Kelp, for the mineral content, is very beneficial, especially the iodine, and
tyrosine, since T3 and T4 both are made from tyrosine.

Everyone should take a basic multivitamin, including C, E, Vitamin D, Zinc, all
the B Vitamins and beta-carotene for Vitamin A. Balanced minerals are crucial
for proper function of the whole body and are also central to thyroid hormone
synthesis.

Thyrolar provides both T3 and T4 hormones. Once the body begins to get normal
amounts of these hormones, symptoms will disappear. After that, periodic blood
tests should be done to determine if the dosage is correct.

Fulvic Acid (not to be confused with folic acid - B vitamin) can prevent and
treat thyroid disease including Hypothyroidism; Hyperthyroidism, Graves Diesease
and Wilson Syndrome, plus many other conditions. Outpatient medical
hospital studies on overactivethyroid had a 90.9% cure rate within a six month
period when patients were treated with fulvic acid medication (Yan, Shenyan;
Tongren Hospital, Beijing: Fulvic Acid, 4 (1988).

Thyroid malfunction, both overactive and underactive, is generally due to
autoimmune response by the body generally caused by a build up of dangerous
toxins, chlorinated substances, viruses, pathogens, infections, pesticides,
altered enzymes or hormones in the tissues of the thyroid gland.

Stress Relief:

Journaling can be a wonderful release as well as reflection on the events and
moments in our lives. I have found it to be great therapy and can lend itself to
great expression without reservation. I suggested the patient start writing in a
journal. This took him 4 weeks to buy and another three weeks to finally write
in it.

Exercise: Regular exercise helps your body lower blood sugars, promotes weight
loss, reduces stress and enhances overall fitness.

Meditation and visualization techniques are very helpful in order to see the big
picture, work on reducing Stress levels and calming the mind.

Traditional Chinese Medicine

A chronic lack of iodine in the diet is the most common cause of Hypothyroidism
in many developing countries. This is less evident in the United States because
iodine is added to table salt; iodine is also present in dairy products. Some
causes of Hypothyroidism include some inherited disorders or Kidney Jing
deficiency in which essence from both parents is not strong during conception.
Other patterns include Qi Stagnation which leads to Blood Stasis, Blood
Deficiency or Phlegm patterns.

TCM Patterns

Kidney Jing Deficiency

Slow mental/physical development in children, late or incomplete fontanel
closure in infants, poor skeletal development, brittle bones, soreness and
weakness of the lumbar region and knees, mental retardation, poor memory,
premature aging and senility, dizziness, deafness, tinnitus, low sex drive,
infertility, premature graying and hair loss. Tongue varies (Deficient Yin or
Yang) Usually yin is more deficient, and a red, peeled tongue is more evident.

Treatment principle: Tonify kd jing and essence.

Acupuncture treatment
Points: Kd 3, 6, Ren 3,4 7, Ub 23, Sp 6, Ht 6

Formula: Zuo Gui Yin


Qi Stagnation

distention, distending pain that moves from place to place, hypochondrium pain,
epigastric pain, throat, abdomen discomfort, abdominal masses that appear and
disappear, mental depression, irritability, frequent mood swings, frequent
sighing, high Stress levels and emotional issues. The pulse is thready, slow and
short, entering and exiting with difficulty, knotted rapid with irregular beats.
Tongue: can be normal with thin white coat or slightly purple.

Treatment principle: tonify Qi

Acupuncture treatment
Points: Ren 2,3,4, 6, 17, Lv 2, 3, 13, 14, LI 4

Formula: Chai Hu Shu Gan San


Blood Stasis

Abdominal pain (fixed) with hardenings, hypochondriac pain (sharp, stabbing),
irritable, Indigestion, Constipation. Pulse: wiry ortaut and hesitant; Tongue:
purple with spots on the side.

Treatment principle: move blood

Acupuncture treatment
Points: SP 10, Ub 17, Ren 17, Lv 3, LI 4

Formula: Tao He Cheng Qi Tang

Blood Deficiency

Pale complexion, pale lips, thin skin, dry, pale cracked skin, palpitations and
irritability, insomnia, poor memory, sensation in the chest, hiccups, sudden
loss of voice, convulsions, frequent sorrow without any obvious causes, abnormal
joy or rage, unreasonable suspicion or fear, thin white tongue or dry coating,
wiry and thin pulse.

Treatment principle: tonify blood

Acupuncture treatment
Points: Sp 6, 8, 10, UB 17, ST 36, Ren 6

Formula: Si Wu Tang


Phlegm

Phlegm mainly arises from Spleen Deficiency as it fails to transform and
transport body fluid. Lung and Kidney can also be involved if Lungs fail to
disperse and lower fluids and if the kidneys fail to transform and excrete
fluids, they can then accumulate into Phlegm. There are 2 types: substantial,
which can be seen (phlegm), and non-substantial, which can't be seen (rheum).
Excessive consumption of greasy foods and/or cold and raw foods can contribute
to this condition.

Treatment principle: clear and resolve phlegm

Acupuncture treatment
Points: Ren 22, ST 40, LI 4

Formula: Ba Xin Tang


RESEARCH

Acupuncture & Hypothyroidism

Acupuncture has traditionally been successfully employed in China to treat most
illnesses and there is little doubt that acupuncture is an excellent therapy for
people suffering with this condition. There are several studies suggesting that
acupuncture and Traditional Chinese Medicine can be very helpful in the
treatment of Hypothyroidism. For instance, in a study at the Shanghai Medical
University in China, 32 patients with Hypothyroidism were treated over a period
of one year with a Chinese herbal preparation to stimulate the kidney meridian
(energy channel).

The results were compared with a control group of 34 people. At the end of the
study, the clinical symptoms of Hypothyroidism were reported to be markedly
improved confirming that Hypothyroidism is closely related to deficiency of
kidney energy. (1)

(1) Relation of Hypothyroidism and deficiency of kidney yang Zha LL, Inst. of
the Integr. of TCM-WM Med., Shanghai Med. Univ. Chung Kuo Chung Hsi I Chieh Ho
Tsa Chih (CHINA) Apr 1993, 13 (4) p202-4,195

Traditional Chinese Medicine & Hypothyroidism

Traditional Chinese herbal medicine has been shown to offer an effective
alternative treatment for people suffering from hypothyroidism (an
under-functioning thyroid gland). In a study at the Shanghai Medical University
in China, 66 patients with hypothyroidism were monitored over a period of one
year.

32 patients were treated with a Chinese herbal preparation to stimulate the
kidney meridian (energy channel) and their results were compared with a control
group made up of the other 34 patients.At the end of the study, the clinical
symptoms of hypothyroidism were reported to be markedly improved in the TCM
group confirming that Traditional Chinese herbal medicine can offer real help in
its treatment and suggesting that hypothyroidism is closely related to
deficiency of kidney energy.

Relation of Hypothyroidism and deficiency of kidney yang Zha LL, Inst. of the
Integr. Of TCM-WM Med., Shanghai Med. Univ. Chung Kuo Chung Hsi I Chieh Ho Tsa
Chih (CHINA) Apr 1993, 13 (4) p202-4,195
Andrew Pacholyk, MS, L.Ac.
http://www.peacefulmind.com
 
bs, mostly the medical causes are straight out of a high school health book, first off, clinical hypothyroidism is medical condition set up by the people who get to do that-- MDs. If the statistics which they use in their lab tests show a certain level of whatever hormone they are testing to use as a standard in a certain range, and yours are above or below then by default you either have or don't have yada yada . Do you see the circular nature of this line of reasoning?
You can easily tell if you are hypo, take your temp for a few days to see if its low,
are you loosing hair?, do you have regular bowel movements? does your mind sometimes seem like it has a cloud preventing you from creating the motivation to go play kick the can?
stop thinking of hypothyroidism as a disease and think of it as the natural progression of age. thyroid is not a drug, it is a natural occurring hormone in your body, made by your body, for your body. Does the fact that we are getting older support the only conclusion we have to accept these base line lab statistics as normal. No Way. I want the lab values of a 30 year old, and I have them. Do I feel great yes, especially compared to before. side effects, yes , not enough hours in the day.
Oddly enough this guys comments have some basis, in kidney energy if you construe them to include the role cortisol plays in this picture, but that's another post.
 
Psoriasis is so difficult to help.....if at first you don't succeed; but health food shops don't tend to do anything strong enough.

I looked at an NZ pharmacy for a morning.....similar to ours.
The problem I had with the health shop was she 'guaranteed' the tablets etc, would help a lot, they were useless.
 
I read through the thread and did not see a reference to cruciferous vegetable.
Cruciferous vegetables all contain glucosinolates, which form a substance called goitrin -- a hormone that interferes with the synthesis of thyroid hormone -- when they are metabolized. In addition to promoting goiter formation, goitrogenic foods can act like antithyroid drugs, slowing down the thyroid, and ultimately causing hypothyroidism, an underactive thyroid.

Goitrogens are able to disrupt normal thyroid function by inhibiting the body’s ability to use iodine, block the process by which iodine becomes the thyroid hormones thyroxine (T4) and triiodothyronine (T3), inhibit the actual secretion of thyroid hormone, and disrupt the peripheral conversion of T4 to T3.
Lots of times we think we are eating health but if you have a prolem you might need to stay away from these vegetables
 
I was diagnosed in 2004 with multiple toxic nodules in my thyroid that required aThyroidectomy and have been on 175 MCG of Levoxyl since.
 


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