UK Government Orders Executions Without Trial

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Laurie

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Big news item over here at the moment is that a UK national has been executed in Syria by a drone strike, not as part of an offensive operation, but as a surgical strike, not authorised by Parliament.

Regardless of the rights and wrongs, as a 40 year vet with service in the Gulf I find this frightening.

The government orders, and carries out a death sentence on one of its own nationals, without any due process, and without procuring any evidence to be examined.
 

Assuming he was aiding the enemy it's nothing new. Enemy combatants are just that regardless of nationality. If you take up arms against your country you are fair game.
 
I don't really have a problem with it either. I'm with Jim. If that guy put himself in that position, he knew what might be the outcome and it was his choice to make. Not really much different than the criminal that decides to take a chance and use a gun in the course of a holdup. He knows he might get shot in return but he goes ahead with his choice.
 

AZ Jim said:
Assuming he was aiding the enemy it's nothing new. Enemy combatants are just that regardless of nationality. If you take up arms against your country you are fair game.
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And there's the rub "assuming".

Where's the evidence?

Our constitution, although unwritten, is a little different from yours. Since Magna Carta all citizens have the right to face their accusers in court , from Anne Boleyn to Guy Fawkes, and any departure from this is disturbing.

William Joyce, Lord Haw Haw took up arms, in effect, against his own country, but he was not assassinated, he was put on trial.

This guy may,or may not, have been "fair game", but such a decision is a mater for the courts, not a secret conclave in 10 Downing Street.
 
The current plague of ISIS/jihadist Islamic terrorists changes the rules. The U.S. has done the same thing in vaporizing a citizen or two who chose to be part of the ISIS cancer. The U.S., England, etc. did not change the rules. The terrorists did. They will hide amongst the innocents, using women and children as shields. They will behead, burn, rape, torture in the name of their "God". It is nigh on to impossible to capture and extradite them from the midst of these Islamic strongholds. Execute them all!!! Perhaps if a few more are taken out, less will be enticed to head overseas to join these animals.

It is also interesting that one would suggest this is "execution without a trial". Let's suppose the Brits would send a battalion of troops into this village to extract the terrorist. He's standing there shooting at them and they can't shoot back since he "hasn't been found guilty in a court of law"???? You join the radicals and assist in their spread of terrorism, you just signed your own death warrant!!!!
 
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/home/index.html

In a dramatic Commons statement, the Prime Minister was forced to defend launching military action without asking for MPs' approval in advance as he gave details of the RAF Reaper drone strike. The target of the attack on August 21 was Cardiff schoolboy Reyaad Khan, 21, (left) who stands accused of 'directing murder on our streets'. Two other fanatics were also killed, including British national Ruhul Amin (right). As questions were raised about the legality of the attack there were claims families of the dead could sue the government.
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Agreeing with Cameron doesn't come easy for me, but I say he was.
In fact, If I had my way, I would have had them blown up on the way to Syria.
But never mind. Please not let us feel sorry for them.
After all, doesn't Allah have 20 Virgins waiting for them for being Martyrs?
Good luck to them with that!
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Having said that, if I had my way It would have been very nice to just capture these two, and then hang them from the ceiling by their Goolies until they are with Allah and the 20 virgins they are promised, for being a Martyr.

No trial, no nothing!
They are in uniform traitors killing for ISIS.

Goodbye SCUM!
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PS Guys.
Where was Allah Akbar when you needed him?
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And to think that I am usually a very kind and forgiving person.
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Not this time I ain't!
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Absolutely GOM!! Laurie, there's a huge difference between criminal proceedings in which case your "right to face their accuser" would apply and being an enemy combatant in a war time (declared or not) situation.
 
enemy combatant vs criminal suspect

Laurie said:
Big news item over here at the moment is that a UK national has been executed in Syria by a drone strike, not as part of an offensive operation, but as a surgical strike, not authorised by Parliament.

Regardless of the rights and wrongs, as a 40 year vet with service in the Gulf I find this frightening.

The government orders, and carries out a death sentence on one of its own nationals, without any due process, and without procuring any evidence to be examined.
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As an enemy combatant in a combat zone or enemy territory I have no problem, in home or neutral territory yes there is problem. If it was just a criminal terrorist as opposed to the enemy of the state they're definitely would be a problem. I guess the evidence presented would be what the military is presenting at a meeting because the target is being treated like a military target and not a criminal suspect. I thought I saw the Israeli Mossad has a commission or committee just for that and supposedly take it very seriously. It is very dicey and dangerous business and could get out of hand very quickly. The question is how are targets selected and how much intelligence or information is presented when making those decisions.

I heard that if found Jihadi John would be a target as well, I'm all for that.

It is a program that pushes all boundaries because in sense they are political assassinations as they are retribution or preventative action. I guess it could be argued or debated as the target being a criminal suspect vs enemy combatant.

PEACE
 
Laurie said:
" being an enemy combatant in a war "

And the small matter of proof, as opposed to one man's opinion?
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Laurie, no offense but as you should know with all your time in service, in combat if it looks like it's trying to hurt ya, you kill or be killed. If by some weird circumstance you have a doubt, you still kill and let it get sorted out later. The agencies have good intelligence on what turncoats are up to in this kind of undeclared war.
 
"The agencies have good intelligence"

Then let's see it, that's all I'm asking.

I have been directly and personally involved in just such surgical strikes against identified targets.

I had no qualms then, and none since.

This time I do. It smells.
 
Laurie said:
"The agencies have good intelligence"

Then let's see it, that's all I'm asking.

I have been directly and personally involved in just such surgical strikes against identified targets.

I had no qualms then, and none since.

This time I do. It smells.
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Taking those two out by whatever means does smell to me as well Laurie.
Of Wine and Roses!:D

I really don't care if Cameron is lying through his teeth (He usually is anyway)! :mad:
But he took out 2/3 Traitor Isis Combatants.

Well done David! :D
Any more for anymore?
 
Grumpy Ol' Man said:
The current plague of ISIS/jihadist Islamic terrorists changes the rules. The U.S. has done the same thing in vaporizing a citizen or two who chose to be part of the ISIS cancer. The U.S., England, etc. did not change the rules. The terrorists did. They will hide amongst the innocents, using women and children as shields. They will behead, burn, rape, torture in the name of their "God". It is nigh on to impossible to capture and extradite them from the midst of these Islamic strongholds. Execute them all!!! Perhaps if a few more are taken out, less will be enticed to head overseas to join these animals.

It is also interesting that one would suggest this is "execution without a trial". Let's suppose the Brits would send a battalion of troops into this village to extract the terrorist. He's standing there shooting at them and they can't shoot back since he "hasn't been found guilty in a court of law"???? You join the radicals and assist in their spread of terrorism, you just signed your own death warrant!!!!
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I don't think I could put the case for it any better myself.They are murderous traitors.
 
Why should the source of the intelligence be revealed? there are very likely operatives ' in the Field' in Syria that need to be protected.No country would waste time and money doing this if it wasn't needed.
 
So we should try in some court of law every enemy of state? Sorry. If he is with the enemy, joining them in their attacks, or even helps them in some way, he needs to go just the same as the enemy. WAKE UP!!
 
Laurie said:
"The agencies have good intelligence"

Then let's see it, that's all I'm asking.

I have been directly and personally involved in just such surgical strikes against identified targets.

I had no qualms then, and none since.

This time I do. It smells.
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I would imagine that Cameron will be more than willing to share the information at hand with those in the Parliament who are protesting. It's quite likely that this was an event where they had the info, they knew in those moments where these guys were and knew that he wasn't going to stay there for very long. Certainly not long enough for a bunch of people to discuss the pro's and cons and go over the proof and on and on and on........

The fact that they haven't laid out all the info for you to see is isn't really too surprising is it?
 
"They are murderous traitors."

Proof?

There is not one shred of evidence that they ever used a gun, bomb or knife in anger.

OK so they run off at the mouth, all teenagers do that, but it's not a capital offence.
 
Laurie said:
"They are murderous traitors."

Proof?

There is not one shred of evidence that they ever used a gun, bomb or knife in anger.

OK so they run off at the mouth, all teenagers do that, but it's not a capital offence.
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So so he sits there, out in Syria, guns in hand, in Isis uniform, spouting about recruiting for Isis and how we are all going to be blown up!

That is enough proof for me!

Now they are blown up, and so some scum has left the planet so he can now go the the 20 virgins they are promised for being martyrs.
Good luck with that and all dogs breaths!
 
"That is enough proof for me!"

Proof of what?

Even in the US you do not give the death penalty for threatening murder,, which is all they've ever done.
 

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