Virtual friendships no substitute, though easier to back out,...

grahamg

Old codger
As many people might possibly acknowledge, even those who have a partner who is very well suited to them, ones they're very compatible with, etc., you can't back out of those "proper relationships" easily, (should you wish to of course?).

However, virtual relationships, or friendships are no substitute we'd all admt wouldn't we, and though we might get an instinct as to who we might like or dislike were we to meet, in all likelihood we'd be missing something, and failing to fully appreciate the whole, rounded person we might understand better, if we'd met in person, (do you agree?).
 

Virtual relationships beyond friendship with no hope of ever meeting in real life are just weird imo. Virtual friendships do come and go moreso than real life ones, but that doesn't mean we don't feel loss. I was sad for several years when a forum I belonged to folded abruptly ...well maybe am still sad now that I'm typing about it... One of those members did become sort of an adopted little brother and he's come to visit several times through the years.
 

Virtual friends can be just as crappy to you as real ones can be. Maybe even worse. Like, for instance, on social sites they can go on the private message thing and tell lies and spread false rumors about you totally behind your back. And you have no idea why people are suddenly not "talking" to you, or disappearing off your friend list, or whatever.

It happens sometimes.
 
Virtual friends can be just as crappy to you as real ones can be. Maybe even worse. Like, for instance, on social sites they can go on the private message thing and tell lies and spread false rumors about you totally behind your back. And you have no idea why people are suddenly not "talking" to you, or disappearing off your friend list, or whatever.

It happens sometimes.
Wow, that would be beyond petty and immature.

I guess this forum is virtual. It's still communication.

Maybe the reason I follow YouTube channels. Information and tutorials for some. Seeing how other's live their lives for others. Example: people living in RVs.
 
Wow, that would be beyond petty and immature.

I guess this forum is virtual. It's still communication.

Maybe the reason I follow YouTube channels. Information and tutorials for some. Seeing how other's live their lives for others. Example: people living in RVs.
I really enjoy youtube videos. It irks me that kids watch them purely for entertainment (and to while away time) and won't bother with the academic ones.
 
However, virtual relationships, or friendships are no substitute we'd all admt wouldn't we, and though we might get an instinct as to who we might like or dislike were we to meet, in all likelihood we'd be missing something, and failing to fully appreciate the whole, rounded person we might understand better, if we'd met in person, (do you agree?).
I agree that knowing someone in the flesh pretty much beats virtual acquaintances.
However, I still have six buds from a site in the '90s that I've never met.
Right before that site disbanded, we swapped addresses, mail and email.
We all email weekly, copying the other six.
And we mail (real mail) Christmas cards (I don't even do that with relatives)

If someone spreads manure about me, so be it
If my friends soak up that BS, well, enjoy
When and if it gets back to me, I'll enjoy it as much or more than the manure spreader
I love a good laugh
 
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I agree that knowing someone in the flesh pretty much beats virtual acquaintances.
However, I still have six buds from a site in the '90s that I've never met.
Right before that site disbanded, we swapped addresses, mail and email.
We all email weekly, copying the other six.
And we mail (real mail) Christmas cards (I don't even do that with relatives)

If someone spreads manure about me, so be it
If my friends soak up that BS, well, enjoy
When and if it gets back to me, I'll enjoy it as much or more then the manure spreader
I love a good laugh
Oh yes, Mr Gary O, how I agree with you! Addition: it is a waste of time arguing wth an idiot (Mark Twain).
 
I have made virtual friendships since my first foray into social networking on Eons about 14 years ago. I consider many of them real friends, even though I never met them in person. One of those is our @feywon who I've known since Eons. She has helped me with a couple of personal issues over the years with her sage advice and metaphysical wisdom. I've forged another very close friendship here on SF as well. I was blessed to be able to meet four of my online friends in person. One of my favorites had her daughter drive her from Pennsylvania to Atlantic City so we could finally meet. We had a ball. Another from PA, met me in Atlantic City also. Coincidentally she used to work at my home resort there. Unfortunately I never met my first and one of my favorite friends from Eons (now on FB), but he's traveled around the country meeting several of our Eons friends. He's emailed me beautiful animated birthday and holiday greetings by Jaqueline Lawson every year.

Another friend from the Eons days is a musician. We're both PIsces and intuitive. She sent me tracks to use in my music (free of charge) and I wrote some articles for her e-zine before we ever met. She and I used to talk by phone daily, now it's not quite that often. We finally met when she came from Cali to Washington DC in 2019 to meet family members she found on Ancestry. We were calling each other Li'l Sis (her) and Big Sis (me) long before we met. She's featured me in her e-zine (entertainment themed) before and will do it again this year. Yet another I met via FB found out we are from the same hometown. She and I had several lunches together. One was with two of her other online friends. We had a delightful four hour lunch...we thought they were going to kick us out. LOL

As for my online friends I haven't met. A couple of others refer to ourselves as "Sis". One of them was on the phone with my DIL a couple of times the day of my heart procedure making sure I was alright. When I went back on Facebook (where most of us Eon-ites migrated to), there was a beautiful get well greeting with nice comments by my other long time and some newer friends. We speak by phone from time to time and my DIL also keeps in touch with her by phone. A meet up was planned for New Orleans but fell through. So yes, I feel online friends can be real friends. And there's not a one from the Eons days I'd want to break friendship with. Sadly a few of them have died. In fact, when Woody (aka Virgoman..I called him V-man) died last year, I couldn't sleep for a couple of days. It was such a shock. He and I shared a love for Jazz and he was a wise, politically savvy, very interesting veteran whom all of us in his groups (on FB & Boomerville) admired.

As for your question about easier to back out..unfortunately I have encountered a couple of people online that I ended friendships with because they acted dishonorably. Of course it's easier online than in person.
 
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I have made real friends online. My avatar pic was taken at a restaurant where six of us had a meet years ago, I still remember that fondly.

We emailed what we called "one size fits all" email which we did on pretty much a weekly, sometimes more basis, with the same email going to all in our bunch. We also had our own little forum corner within a forum which we called Dear Diary.

Unfortunate thing happened, we were targeted from within by someone on the outside who wanted to be on the inside. It was never the same after that.

And I can tell you, losing that group of friends still hurts today. Maybe they are reading and feel the same.
 
Yes, it is easier to 'ditch' the people you want to when the connection is 'virtual'. But that doesn't mean that good, healthy solid friendships can not be formed online. Like Diva, i've met a couple of my 'virtual friends' in person and was not disappointed. Two years ago finally met our mutual friend from PA who sends the lovely Lawson holiday/birthday e-cards. He is one of the most intelligent, clear thonking and compassionate people i've ever known. i hope to meet Diva and a couple of other friends from the Eons days sometime in next few years.

i would like to remind people that not all relationships are formed and maintained in the 'in person' world and for some of us in person frequently is 'too much'. Also some people connect deeply no matter how, where, when or how briefly they may be in contact in person. You may lose touch when your life paths diverge, but now thanks to internet you can often find those people. There have been a few such people that we picked up our friendships again after one of us found the other.

There was a time when people sought out complete strangers in other countries or military people to be 'pen pals', learning about each other's lives and coming to care what happened to the other.

i carried on a correspondence for years with people i met an NCCJ Camp and only knew for one week before the contact became long distance. When my handful of 'in person' High School friends scattered after graduation--some to college, or work-study abroad programs or like me working for a living, and some activism--we maintained our friendships long distance for years via copious correspondence, only being face to face once a year at most. One could argue 'well you met them in person once at least before going 'virtual' (Aren't letters and cards just low-tech 'virtual'????)

And often without the constraints of being at 'social gatherings' together but having private in depth tho spread out over time conversations brought some of us closer emotionally. i know at least two couples who met on Eons and finally got together and have been married for years now. i suspect a part of the success of their relationships have to do with the fact they were not focusing on finding romance, but found friendship that expanded into romantic love. Due to the conversations they'd been in not just privately but seeing how each responded to other people, gave them a much truer idea of who the 'other' person was then either in person dating or online seeking of romance provides, because people subconsciously edit themselves when 'seeking' a partner no matter what venue they're using.

My Dad was a HAM operator for decades, had a shoebox full of QSL cards (they send these to each other as confirmation of contact. Sometime in the 80's China briefly allowed HAM radio transmission/reception again. Dad had some discussions with an operator there, who took advantage of the loosened travel restrictions to attend a HAM convention in Texas (Dallas i think). Dad also attended because he'd been so successful recruiting new operators in his home area they asked him to give a talk on how to do it. So they got to meet in person for couple of days, and had Tiananmen Square and a reclosing up China not occurred i've no doubt they'd have been in touch over the years. Dad was very stressed over what his friend might face after returning home.

Even before the Pandemic, in our age bracket, the losses start to build. i have mourned people who's hands i never got to shake, but were supportive, kind and fun.

To each their own, but just because you need to press flesh to bond with others doesn't mean everyone does.
 
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Why would you want to back out of the 'proper relationship' as you call it, for a substitute.?
Firstly, it didn't seem to me that @grahamg meant what you're reading into it. To me it seemed he meant whatever the level of connection it is easier to expel a virtual acquaintance from your life than someone in your life in the flesh. Not dropping the one for the other. (likely people more often do it the other way around--they back off their online connections some when first feeling the rush of a new 'love' interest. I would argue that isolating yourself from virtual friends could be as damaging as allowing a 'proper relationship' to isolate you from friends in 3D world.

Secondly, as someone who had 3 marriages (all ended because of the dynamic between us not because of anyone else in any way) i can tell you there are good reasons to leave in person relationships. Sharing children with first 2 hubbies meant they would never be 'expelled' from my or our children's lives. They are both deceased now (#1 in '78, #2 in 2015 or so).

#3 a different story. He stalked me 2 yrs after divorce, a 'talk' with his supervisor (we both worked on UW campus) curbed that--he was disappearing from where he was supposed to be to 'observe' me and make sure he was seen by me. He held it together for 5 more yrs then sent me a disturbing email, via the intranet at UW. i ended up getting a restraining order. He pled no contest but the RO was issued. You have to understand he went back to his church, a sect that doesn't recognize legal divorces as our marriage was ending and when we were still talking right after our separation he repeatedly talked mournfully about how he could not in good conscience marry again unless i remarried (not happening) or i died. The email only referenced 'an end to one of us' (and yes he was one to threaten suicide, but he was also dissociative and one of the rare people with MH issues who resort to violence, or at least some parts of him could). It was part of reason we moved to another state when i retired, not as crucial a reason as the excessive sub zero F temps each winter up there.

i dearly wished there was a 3D world version of 'Blocking' someone. (RO's are notoriously ineffective if person is determined to harm you, you get them so there's a record that they are a threat to you, and my kids would have insisted on an investigation if i had an accident.)
 
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I have many close friends who I have never met in person. I can respond to people much better by writing than talking face to face. You meet someone in person and make small talk. Sometimes you can talk to a person and tell them things and the next time you see them it is like they never heard what you said in a prior conversation. When you write.........it is a whole different story. You can put how you feel down and they can read it over a few times.

I worry over them when they are going through a bad time. I cry when they lose their loved ones. I cry when I find out they have died. To me, they are real friends and I would not turn my back on them. I have felt bad on this forum over the absence of a number of people. Even though I did not get to know them better, I was getting attached to them and poof........they were gone.
 
I have many close friends who I have never met in person. I can respond to people much better by writing than talking face to face. You meet someone in person and make small talk. Sometimes you can talk to a person and tell them things and the next time you see them it is like they never heard what you said in a prior conversation. When you write.........it is a whole different story. You can put how you feel down and they can read it over a few times.
I worry over them when they are going through a bad time. I cry when they lose their loved ones. I cry when I find out they have died. To me, they are real friends and I would not turn my back on them. I have felt bad on this forum over the absence of a number of people. Even though I did not get to know them better, I was getting attached to them and poof........they were gone.
There is a lot to agree with in your comments, and of course a hand written letter maybe tops other written messages. I believe its true as well, even speaking to someone face to face, we can be taken in, or mislead as to their true feelings and personality, (perhaps being guilty of seeing or hearing only what we want to?).
 
I have many close friends who I have never met in person. I can respond to people much better by writing than talking face to face. You meet someone in person and make small talk. Sometimes you can talk to a person and tell them things and the next time you see them it is like they never heard what you said in a prior conversation. When you write.........it is a whole different story. You can put how you feel down and they can read it over a few times.

I worry over them when they are going through a bad time. I cry when they lose their loved ones. I cry when I find out they have died. To me, they are real friends and I would not turn my back on them. I have felt bad on this forum over the absence of a number of people. Even though I did not get to know them better, I was getting attached to them and poof........they were gone.
... plus the fact that initiating a "talk" on some subjects are difficult to do. Virtual, by that I mean internet discussions, serve such subjects on a plate. All you need to do is join in.
 
Another aspect to bear in mind is that you need a wee bit of courage to try to make friends with someone in person, or at least when you ask them out, whereas you dont get that kind of situation or build up when dealing with anyone online do you(?). :unsure::)
 
Another aspect to bear in mind is that you need a wee bit of courage to try to make friends with someone in person, or at least when you ask them out, whereas you dont get that kind of situation or build up when dealing with anyone online do you(?). :unsure::)
You've got a point but some people make friends very easily, others not so much. My husband and I are (were) naturally friendly people. The issue is realizing who qualifies as a true friend and who would wind up being a (what I call) "good acquaintance". I have never been interested in starting a romantic relationship online even though I've interacted with several men in online forums.
 


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