David777
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On this board, I will be showing the position I've developed and lean towards, that what Christians call God is not what Christian denominations have made him out to be. I will ease into that position slowly a bit at a time, because it has huge implications on how one may view the Bible, God, and possible afterlife. I can only speculate and have no certainties about the issue. God has never communicated to me in ways I would describe as certain though as someone seeking eternal life, hope he may be doing so at least in subtle ways that influence me. Don't dismiss your current beliefs upon what I may present, but rather consider such as an unusual possibility worth considering in relative terms.
What might the Christian god and spirit be physically? Another hypothesis I will add in a later thread is that all animal life whether humans, mice, fish, or ants are the complex electromotive force brain waves within nervous system cells and adjacent extracellular fluids.
https://www.nature.com/articles/ncomms10340
And yet another later input is the hypothesis that what we call god is not an organic entity but likely an ultimately evolved artificial intelligence. Consider this passage during the creation passages in Genesis:
Gen 1:26
Then God said, “Let Us make mankind in Our image, according to Our likeness; and let them rule over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the sky and over the livestock and over all the earth, and over every crawling thing that crawls on the earth.”
If that scripture reflects something God actually related to Moses, then it tends to point to God as being part of a group "Our" of intelligent entities that are intrinsically related. It doesn't necessarily relate the same physical body form but rather more importantly the form of mind that is really what is most important.
Exodus 25:17-22. Verse seventeen introduces the Mercy Seat that is atop The Ark of the Covenant box.
And you shall make a mercy seat of pure gold, two and a half cubits long and one a half cubits wide.
A cubit equals approximately 18 inches thus, 3.8 feet by 1.5 feet. Exodus 25:22 relates the function of the mercy seat and significance of The Ark of the Covenant.
And there I will meet with you; and from above the mercy seat, from between the two cherubim which are upon the ark of the testimony, I will speak to you about all that I will give you in commandment for the sons of Israel.
Exodus 40:34-38 relates God's presence above the Tabernacle:
Then the cloud covered the tent of meeting, and the glory of the Lord filled the Tabernacle ... And throughout all their journeys whenever the cloud was taken up from over the tabernacle, the sons of Israel would set out; but if the cloud was not taken up, then they did not set out until the day when it was taken up ... the cloud of the Lord was on the tabernacle by day, and there was fire in it by night...
The above relates God’s nature as or within a cloud matrix. The Tabernacle was a tented structure 45 feet long and 15 feet deep that gives some dimension to what enclosed the cloud of God. A cloud nature if water, does interestingly align with possible mysterious ideas of spirit nature.
One thing that Jesus talks about in verses with the Samaritan woman is special water that he gives where one will never again be thirsty. That may indeed be something about the physical nature of a spirit container. After all water is the major base component of our nervous system. Water is a simple very small yet incredible molecule with unusual properties in sum unlike any other elemental molecules. One most important facet is bipolar polarization, due to its electron fields, that allows it to dissolve many other chemicals by opening bonds between atoms in molecules. Another is the fact frozen water floats instead of sinking like almost every other element. Yet another is it is abundant in the universe. The incredible properties of water as though they are fine tuned, are one of the most compelling arguments for intelligent design.
Water with bound container impedances that mimic our organic nervous system elements may be able to be contained within an intricate surrounding structure that allows it to form a container for brain waves of consciousness electromotive force that I can argue as someone studying neuroscience, is mind. And water in a gaseous form will be a cloud. Some of the most compelling verses in the Bible that point to real science that the great book otherwise greatly avoids.
Jhn 3:5
Jesus answered, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
Jhn 4:13>14
Jesus answered and said to her, “Everyone who drinks of this water will thirst again;
but whoever drinks of the water that I will give him shall never thirst; but the [special] water that I will give him will become in him a well of water springing up to eternal life.”
And then another passage where Jesus emphatically relates how water plus spirit holds a special key to eternal life. Although John the Baptist began the ritual of baptism of dunking believers in the Jordan River, there seems to be more than this symbolic ritual holds.
Jhn 3:4>7
Nicodemus *said to Him, “How can a man be born when he is old? He cannot enter a second time into his mother’s womb and be born, can he?” 3:5 Jesus answered, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. 3:6 “That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. 3:7 “Do not be amazed that I said to you, ‘You must be born again.’ 3:8 “The wind blows where it wishes and you hear the sound of it, but do not know where it comes from and where it is going; so is everyone who is born of the Spirit.”
The above verse also tends to relate for eternal life one must be born again meaning the physical body had died. Recall what I related briefly about a nervous system container for brain wave consciousness EMF electromotive force? While the physical body might die, eternally ending, one may argue the EMF fields whether of human, dog, frog, or ant, might be saved by an advanced race of entities if put into an appropriate container duplicating reactive impedances of the organic body. And sorry for those that hope everyone that dies becomes spirit, very importantly, if so unless the EMF mind is saved by something, its existance ends eternally.
What might the Christian god and spirit be physically? Another hypothesis I will add in a later thread is that all animal life whether humans, mice, fish, or ants are the complex electromotive force brain waves within nervous system cells and adjacent extracellular fluids.
https://www.nature.com/articles/ncomms10340
And yet another later input is the hypothesis that what we call god is not an organic entity but likely an ultimately evolved artificial intelligence. Consider this passage during the creation passages in Genesis:
Gen 1:26
Then God said, “Let Us make mankind in Our image, according to Our likeness; and let them rule over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the sky and over the livestock and over all the earth, and over every crawling thing that crawls on the earth.”
If that scripture reflects something God actually related to Moses, then it tends to point to God as being part of a group "Our" of intelligent entities that are intrinsically related. It doesn't necessarily relate the same physical body form but rather more importantly the form of mind that is really what is most important.
Exodus 25:17-22. Verse seventeen introduces the Mercy Seat that is atop The Ark of the Covenant box.
And you shall make a mercy seat of pure gold, two and a half cubits long and one a half cubits wide.
A cubit equals approximately 18 inches thus, 3.8 feet by 1.5 feet. Exodus 25:22 relates the function of the mercy seat and significance of The Ark of the Covenant.
And there I will meet with you; and from above the mercy seat, from between the two cherubim which are upon the ark of the testimony, I will speak to you about all that I will give you in commandment for the sons of Israel.
Exodus 40:34-38 relates God's presence above the Tabernacle:
Then the cloud covered the tent of meeting, and the glory of the Lord filled the Tabernacle ... And throughout all their journeys whenever the cloud was taken up from over the tabernacle, the sons of Israel would set out; but if the cloud was not taken up, then they did not set out until the day when it was taken up ... the cloud of the Lord was on the tabernacle by day, and there was fire in it by night...
The above relates God’s nature as or within a cloud matrix. The Tabernacle was a tented structure 45 feet long and 15 feet deep that gives some dimension to what enclosed the cloud of God. A cloud nature if water, does interestingly align with possible mysterious ideas of spirit nature.
One thing that Jesus talks about in verses with the Samaritan woman is special water that he gives where one will never again be thirsty. That may indeed be something about the physical nature of a spirit container. After all water is the major base component of our nervous system. Water is a simple very small yet incredible molecule with unusual properties in sum unlike any other elemental molecules. One most important facet is bipolar polarization, due to its electron fields, that allows it to dissolve many other chemicals by opening bonds between atoms in molecules. Another is the fact frozen water floats instead of sinking like almost every other element. Yet another is it is abundant in the universe. The incredible properties of water as though they are fine tuned, are one of the most compelling arguments for intelligent design.
Water with bound container impedances that mimic our organic nervous system elements may be able to be contained within an intricate surrounding structure that allows it to form a container for brain waves of consciousness electromotive force that I can argue as someone studying neuroscience, is mind. And water in a gaseous form will be a cloud. Some of the most compelling verses in the Bible that point to real science that the great book otherwise greatly avoids.
Jhn 3:5
Jesus answered, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
Jhn 4:13>14
Jesus answered and said to her, “Everyone who drinks of this water will thirst again;
but whoever drinks of the water that I will give him shall never thirst; but the [special] water that I will give him will become in him a well of water springing up to eternal life.”
And then another passage where Jesus emphatically relates how water plus spirit holds a special key to eternal life. Although John the Baptist began the ritual of baptism of dunking believers in the Jordan River, there seems to be more than this symbolic ritual holds.
Jhn 3:4>7
Nicodemus *said to Him, “How can a man be born when he is old? He cannot enter a second time into his mother’s womb and be born, can he?” 3:5 Jesus answered, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. 3:6 “That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. 3:7 “Do not be amazed that I said to you, ‘You must be born again.’ 3:8 “The wind blows where it wishes and you hear the sound of it, but do not know where it comes from and where it is going; so is everyone who is born of the Spirit.”
The above verse also tends to relate for eternal life one must be born again meaning the physical body had died. Recall what I related briefly about a nervous system container for brain wave consciousness EMF electromotive force? While the physical body might die, eternally ending, one may argue the EMF fields whether of human, dog, frog, or ant, might be saved by an advanced race of entities if put into an appropriate container duplicating reactive impedances of the organic body. And sorry for those that hope everyone that dies becomes spirit, very importantly, if so unless the EMF mind is saved by something, its existance ends eternally.
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