Where Will We Get Our Protein in the Future?

Debby

Debby

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'According to CBC News, French company Roquette announced it would open the world’s largest pea protein plant near Portage la Prairie.


The project will cost an estimated $400 million and will employ around 150 people full-time. Roquette’s stated aim is to meet the growing demand for plant-based protein around the world.


Company chair Edward Roquette said in a statement:
It is the largest global investment dedicated to pea protein to date. And it constitutes a key pillar of our strategy in plant protein in general and in pea protein in particular.​

Pea protein is a great protein source used in a variety of meat alternatives. In fact, many companies, including Beyond Meat and Hampton Creek, rely on pea protein to make the high-quality products so many of us love. It’s high in fiber and low in fat, making it heart healthy unlike artery-clogging animal-based proteins....' http://www.mercyforanimals.org/canada-is-about-to-open-one-of-the-worlds




I have heard that the Beyond Meat burger that is available at Whole Foods is pretty amazing and I was mentioning in some other thread here a while back, about that Alberta University competition where the students created a gelato that was made of pea protein and was judged to be as good as the dairy version. So I'm pretty stoked that this company is going to be opening up here. I'm looking forward to testing their products.

I usually buy a brand called Gardein, which makes a 'chicken strip', a 'fish' filet and a sweet and sour 'chicken' nugget that are wonderful, but I just checked and they are made of soy. I'm hoping that this company's offerings are as good as Gardein's. Considering too that Portage la Prairie is in some of Canada's cattle country, makes it even more interesting.

 

That's really good news Debby. Having better and better alternatives to meat is an ever growing need. I've never had "pea protein" but have had many soy products and some other things too. I wish their company much success. :)
 
It is interesting to me but also a little scary.

It gives me the eerie feeling that someday all of our food will be made by one company, out of one ingredient, sort of like Soylent Green.

Don't get me wrong, I use products from Gardein, Morning Star Farms, etc...

I guess I consider myself a carnivore that doesn't eat meat, very often anyway.

I would prefer to see a move towards smaller decentralized production of food than a giant megafood manufacturer.
 

My dad used to sing the following song to annoy my mother (sung to the tune of "Silver Threads Among the Gold"). I have no idea where it originated:

At the boarding house where I lived,
Everything was getting old.
Long grey hairs were in the butter,
Silver threads among the gold.

When the dog died, we had sausage.
When the cat died, catnip tea.
Now the landlord's dead, I'm leaving.
Spareribs are too much for me.
 
jujube said:
My dad used to sing the following song to annoy my mother (sung to the tune of "Silver Threads Among the Gold"). I have no idea where it originated:

At the boarding house where I lived,
Everything was getting old.
Long grey hairs were in the butter,
Silver threads among the gold.

When the dog died, we had sausage.
When the cat died, catnip tea.
Now the landlord's dead, I'm leaving.
Spareribs are too much for me.
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Some cultures won't eat horse meat. Some cultures won't eat pork. Some cultures won't eat dogs. When it comes down to it, as long as the human race continues to multiply, there will always be meat protein available. If you go to WalMart and watch the obese moving down the aisles... LOTS of protein out there!!! :)
 
Well the way I look at it, it's progress and when you have more and more people on the planet, you have to figure out new and better ways to get more food from the acreage that is there and plant protein provides more calories per acre than the traditional methods. And just like you used to have small family farms in little communities, but now you have 95% of the animal ag produced in feed lots, with the amount of cutting edge technology required, a small community producer just isn't going to be big enough.

And you know, I was watching a video about a company down in Chili and they have a computer that they've fed the components of millions of favourite foods into, and it has broken those foods down to the molecular level. And they've taken samples of millions if different plants and plant parts (leaves, stems, roots, seeds), broken those down to the molecular level, so that they can basically look at the molecular makeup of Swiss cheese for example, and based on that 'recipe', can take the same molecules from the various plants, and combine them into a facsimile of the original, traditional food.

And I think as climate change begins to cause more impact on agriculture, all this new technology is going to be even more necessary. I think we're living on the cusp of a fundamental change in how we live and the old days are gone.
 
Even Tyson Foods (meat producer) has invested in a vegan food company.

'Meat giant is the first to move toward plant-based alternatives.The world’s largest meat producer, Tyson Foods, paid an undisclosed sum to vegan company Beyond Meat for five percent of its company. Tyson senior vice president in charge of strategy Monica McGurk marveled at the quality of the Beyond Burger—a newly released plant-based burger which Beyond Meat insisted be sold alongside meat products, including those from Tyson, earlier this year. “We think it’s a game-changing product that gives us exposure to this fast-growing part of the food business,” McGurk said. Beyond Meat CEO Ethan Brown explains the investment will be a jumpstart to move vegan protein from “the penalty box” of meat alternatives into “the mainstream.” Under the Farm Animal Investment Risk & Return Initiative, a group of investors—with holdings worth more than $1 trillion—recently pressured meat companies (including Tyson) to reduce their meat output in an effort to address the effect of animal agriculture on the environment....'

and another company is developing a method to 'grow leather' without the cows, using mushrooms instead. Considering the acreage that's needed for one cow to grow and the 18 months to two years, they can grow a sheet of the mushroom leather on shelves that equal 27 square feet in only two weeks. And the stuff is as strong as any deer hide and can be dyed and on it's own has beautiful mottling. Times they are a changing.








http://vegnews.com/articles/page.do?pageId=8489&catId=1
http://www.sciencefriday.com/videos/the-fungi-in-your-future/
 
Debby said:
Well the way I look at it, it's progress and when you have more and more people on the planet, you have to figure out new and better ways to get more food from the acreage that is there and plant protein provides more calories per acre than the traditional methods. And just like you used to have small family farms in little communities, but now you have 95% of the animal ag produced in feed lots, with the amount of cutting edge technology required, a small community producer just isn't going to be big enough.

And you know, I was watching a video about a company down in Chili and they have a computer that they've fed the components of millions of favourite foods into, and it has broken those foods down to the molecular level. And they've taken samples of millions if different plants and plant parts (leaves, stems, roots, seeds), broken those down to the molecular level, so that they can basically look at the molecular makeup of Swiss cheese for example, and based on that 'recipe', can take the same molecules from the various plants, and combine them into a facsimile of the original, traditional food.

And I think as climate change begins to cause more impact on agriculture, all this new technology is going to be even more necessary. I think we're living on the cusp of a fundamental change in how we live and the old days are gone.
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That is all very interesting. I have to say that I haven't read enough about how farm animals agriculture have something to do with the environment to understand it. I've read it once or twice but it just didn't sink in. I think I need a 101 course on it!
 
Debby said:
Even Tyson Foods (meat producer) has invested in a vegan food company.

'Meat giant is the first to move toward plant-based alternatives.The world’s largest meat producer, Tyson Foods, paid an undisclosed sum to vegan company Beyond Meat for five percent of its company. Tyson senior vice president in charge of strategy Monica McGurk marveled at the quality of the Beyond Burger—a newly released plant-based burger which Beyond Meat insisted be sold alongside meat products, including those from Tyson, earlier this year. “We think it’s a game-changing product that gives us exposure to this fast-growing part of the food business,” McGurk said. Beyond Meat CEO Ethan Brown explains the investment will be a jumpstart to move vegan protein from “the penalty box” of meat alternatives into “the mainstream.” Under the Farm Animal Investment Risk & Return Initiative, a group of investors—with holdings worth more than $1 trillion—recently pressured meat companies (including Tyson) to reduce their meat output in an effort to address the effect of animal agriculture on the environment....'

and another company is developing a method to 'grow leather' without the cows, using mushrooms instead. Considering the acreage that's needed for one cow to grow and the 18 months to two years, they can grow a sheet of the mushroom leather on shelves that equal 27 square feet in only two weeks. And the stuff is as strong as any deer hide and can be dyed and on it's own has beautiful mottling. Times they are a changing.








http://vegnews.com/articles/page.do?pageId=8489&catId=1
http://www.sciencefriday.com/videos/the-fungi-in-your-future/
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That is good that the meat companies are turning to alternatives; I hope this progresses to more alternatives.
 
I will continue to get the majority of mine from animals. There is no way synthetics are even going to have any noticeable effect on the live protein market.

Vegetarians make up only about 3% of the population of the US,with vegans being about .05% of that number.
 
Ruthanne said:
That is all very interesting. I have to say that I haven't read enough about how farm animals agriculture have something to do with the environment to understand it. I've read it once or twice but it just didn't sink in. I think I need a 101 course on it!
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Well if you're ever interested, I've got lots of information bookmarked (and none of it from biased sources like VeggieNews, etc -).
 
Robusta said:
I will continue to get the majority of mine from animals. There is no way synthetics are even going to have any noticeable effect on the live protein market.

Vegetarians make up only about 3% of the population of the US,with vegans being about .05% of that number.
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Goodness Robusta, they aren't synthetic anymore than the casserole that you sometimes eat. Just plant products that are combined differently than you are used to.

As for numbers, according to a 2012 Gallup poll, in the USA there are 5% vegetarians with 2% of those being vegan. http://www.gallup.com/poll/156215/Consider-Themselves-Vegetarians.aspx

And this Wikipedia page shows Canada at 4%, Sweden 10%, Germany 6-8.7%, Israel 2.6-13% and India from 29-40%. And with more climate scientists and governments and the UN beginning to acknowledge the environmental aspect of animal agriculture compared to the amount of protein that it actually creates vs. water/land/emissions I expect this trend to continue to expand.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vegetarianism_by_country
 
Grumpy Ol' Man said:
. If you go to WalMart and watch the obese moving down the aisles... LOTS of protein out there!!! :)
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This assumes that meat eating equals being overweight. WRONG. I am far from thin, but meat protein is a very small part of my diet. And when it is, it is almost exclusively poultry or fish. If you look in the carts of some people, you will see a lot of prepared, processed foods, fatty stuff. Very little fruits and veggies or healthy options. Just be careful before making blanket assumptions about people. BTW, my husband and I are both heavy, and in 2016, by changing our eating habits have lost a combined total of about 100 pounds. And sadly, we are both having a long way to go.
 
Congrats on losing so much weight Marie! You and your husband did so good! It's very hard isn't it? But you did it and good for you. I'll bet you feel quite a bit better as a result.
 
Debby said:
Congrats on losing so much weight Marie! You and your husband did so good! It's very hard isn't it? But you did it and good for you. I'll bet you feel quite a bit better as a result.
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Thanks, Debby. I will admit, Rick lost more than me, but we both did well. It started as being a health issue for Rick, to get him started. But he and I do both feel better. Now that I am retired, I plan to do more "from scratch" cooking, and freezing much of it.
 
Debby said:
Well if you're ever interested, I've got lots of information bookmarked (and none of it from biased sources like VeggieNews, etc -).
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I don't want to be overwhelmed with information all at once because I tend to be with lots of info. but if you have a couple of links to start with I'd like to see them. :)
 
This is an easy one to read quick and I thought it was pretty interesting when I read it. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edible_protein_per_unit_area_of_land

Edible protein * BV = Usable protein
Edible protein (g/m²)Edible protein (lb/acre)BV (%)Usable protein (g/m²)Usable protein (lb/acre)Limiting amino acidNotes
Soybeans40.03567429263methionineSoybeans produce at least two times more usable protein per unit area than any other major vegetable or grain crop, except for hemp which can produce up to 33 g/m[SUP]2[/SUP] (290 lb/acre). They produce 5 to 10 times more protein per unit area than land set aside for grazing animals to make milk, and up to 15 times more protein per unit area than land set aside for meat production.[SUP][1][/SUP]
Rice29.02608625224lysine
Legumes(average)22.0192491194tryptophan
Milk9.282918.475methionine or cysteine
Wheat15.0138548.175lysine
Eggs8.576948.071
Maize24.0211327.768tryptophan
Meat(average)5.04580436
Beef2.220781.7215.6phenylalanineor tyrosine
Selected averages as computed in the 1970s.[SUP][2][/SUP]
 
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Well Captain, the dinosaurs died out because they couldn't adapt to a changing climate......and it's becoming a case of adapt or die. Personally, I love my little grandkids and I'm interested in what kind of world they will be living in when they are my age.

I remember when climate scientists started pointing out the problems with car emissions and the effects of acid rain and people laughed at all of that too, and yet now we have dealt with that and we're all glad that we don't have to drive down the road behind cars belching blue smoke and we're not inhaling lead, etc. So much fun laughing at the smart guys who are ahead of the crowd, until you realize that you're grateful that they pointed out the problems because you no longer have those as an issue in your community:playful:.
 
Well, I may be ancient but I wasn't around when the dinosaurs became extinct. However, I gather that they were wiped out by a single catastrophic event, and not one that gave them the luxury of adapting. Interestingly enough, the man who was responsible for putting lead in petrol was also the man who developed CFC's ! Pretty good going for one person, who was probably acting with the best intentions.

If you want to worry about the future, then worry about overpopulation, disease and war and less about promoting a particular lifestyle.
The nice thing about being an omnivore is that I enjoy fruit, vegetables and meat. I'm damned if I'm going to change now.
 
Debby said:
This is an easy one to read quick and I thought it was pretty interesting when I read it. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edible_protein_per_unit_area_of_land

Edible protein * BV = Usable protein
Edible protein (g/m²)Edible protein (lb/acre)BV (%)Usable protein (g/m²)Usable protein (lb/acre)Limiting amino acidNotes
Soybeans40.03567429263methionineSoybeans produce at least two times more usable protein per unit area than any other major vegetable or grain crop, except for hemp which can produce up to 33 g/m[SUP]2[/SUP] (290 lb/acre). They produce 5 to 10 times more protein per unit area than land set aside for grazing animals to make milk, and up to 15 times more protein per unit area than land set aside for meat production.[SUP][1][/SUP]
Rice29.02608625224lysine
Legumes(average)22.0192491194tryptophan
Milk9.282918.475methionine or cysteine
Wheat15.0138548.175lysine
Eggs8.576948.071
Maize24.0211327.768tryptophan
Meat(average)5.04580436
Beef2.220781.7215.6phenylalanineor tyrosine
Selected averages as computed in the 1970s.[SUP][2][/SUP]
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Thanks for that Debby. I didn't know rice had protein.
 
Capt Lightning said:
Well, I may be ancient but I wasn't around when the dinosaurs became extinct. However, I gather that they were wiped out by a single catastrophic event, and not one that gave them the luxury of adapting. Interestingly enough, the man who was responsible for putting lead in petrol was also the man who developed CFC's ! Pretty good going for one person, who was probably acting with the best intentions.

If you want to worry about the future, then worry about overpopulation, disease and war and less about promoting a particular lifestyle.
The nice thing about being an omnivore is that I enjoy fruit, vegetables and meat. I'm damned if I'm going to change now.
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I find it interesting what Debby has to say about protein sources and so may others. :)
 

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