Will Twitter be banned by the E.U.?

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Because since Musk bought Twitter there is no more censorship and the E.U. wants restrictions which Musk would not comply to. What do you think?

I do prefer Twitter since censorship has been lifted. I wasn't sure if I would so took a wait and see approach but I do prefer it. There is so much more to learn now. We have brains to help us determine what is truth and what is not so why censor people? :unsure:
 

chic said:
Because since Musk bought Twitter there is no more censorship and the E.U. wants restrictions which Musk would not comply to. What do you think?

I do prefer Twitter since censorship has been lifted. I wasn't sure if I would so took a wait and see approach but I do prefer it. There is so much more to learn now. We have brains to help us determine what is truth and what is not so why censor people? :unsure:
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I agree, but every so often, I find myself checking some of the statements that are made.
 
Twitter is computer program. It is not the illegitimate Child of the Prince of Darkness. If you want the free exchange of ideas, not all those ideas will appeal to everyone. They may even be lies, provocative and disrespectful. And just look around, there are some with those questionable ideas and values, or they are just plain weird; do you have a right to silence them?
 
I'm afraid distance is blurring your perceptions Anti-Semitism is widespread in Europe and there is a war going on in Europe at the moment plenty of hate messages on each side
 
Murrmurr said:
Freedom of speech does have limits. It's illegal to incite riots and offer to pay people to kill your ex-wife, for example. Twitter has seen a surge in child-porn posts lately; ever since Musk reinstated a bunch of banned accounts; so I'm anxious to see what he does with those douchebags.
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Really? I haven't seen that. Mostly I see the opposite where people speak out against it.
 
Laurie said:
I'm afraid distance is blurring your perceptions Anti-Semitism is widespread in Europe and there is a war going on in Europe at the moment plenty of hate messages on each side
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Yes, I have seen war hatred. I suppose it's to be expected when you have a war in which the globe is invested one way or another and the technology of social media platforms.
 
Will Twitter be banned by the E.U.?
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I'm thinking that in Europe they aren't blinded by the "wolf-in-sheeps-clothing" approach that Musk is trying to pull, like here in the U.S.
Censorship is very much alive on Twitter, instead of filtering to preserve some ethical standards, the banning of tweets is directed towards those that disagree with Musk's ideology.
 
As much as I appreciate the concept of "Freedom of Speech", - even that has limits in a "civilized" society.. Not everyone is sufficiently lacking in gullibility to resist scams or scam-like behavior - on or offline - particularly if the ideas and actions support the biases they already have. Racial bias is a perfect example of that!
 
Nathan said:
I'm thinking that in Europe they aren't blinded by the "wolf-in-sheeps-clothing" approach that Musk is trying to pull, like here in the U.S.
Censorship is very much alive on Twitter, instead of filtering to preserve some ethical standards, the banning of tweets is directed towards those that disagree with Musk's ideology.
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I'm not so sure. I don't know Musk's ideology thoroughly but I see plenty that is in disagreement with what I do know of it. Just sayin'.
 
Raddragn said:
As much as I appreciate the concept of "Freedom of Speech", - even that has limits in a "civilized" society.. Not everyone is sufficiently lacking in gullibility to resist scams or scam-like behavior - on or offline - particularly if the ideas and actions support the biases they already have. Racial bias is a perfect example of that!
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I don't use twitter but talking about the gullible! There is a huge minority who believe every word that's uttered in a certain news channel!
 
chic said:
I'm not so sure. I don't know Musk's ideology thoroughly but I see plenty that is in disagreement with what I do know of it. Just sayin'.
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Here's an excerpt from an article highlighting Musk's "free speech" moves:

Free speech​

In 2022, Musk refused to block Russian state media on SpaceX's Starlink satellites in response to Russia's invasion of Ukraine, calling himself "a free speech absolutist."[25] On April 14, 2022, Musk made an offer to buy Twitter, saying "I invested in Twitter as I believe in its potential to be the platform for free speech around the globe, and I believe free speech is a societal imperative for a functioning democracy".[26]

Since Musk's acquisition, Twitter has increased its approval of censorship requests by governments.[27][28][29][30][31] During the 2023 Turkish presidential election, Twitter limited access to content in Turkey. Reports indicated that affected accounts were those critical of incumbent president Recep Tayyip Erdoğan, including political opponents and journalists.[30][31][32] Musk defended this move by stating that the alternative would have been to "throttle [Twitter] in its entirety"[30][31][32] and falsely[31] claimed it was "par for the course for all Internet companies".[31][32]
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Views_of_Elon_Musk
 
@Murrmurr, the Constitution protects Freedom of Speech, but doesn't criminal activity. I don't think the two can be linked together (hope that made sense).

Freedom of speech is what allows us to have the exchange of idea whether we agree with them or not. At times those discussions may become heated, but that isn't criminal. A heated discussion or difference of view should not be allowed to be labeled as "criminal" or "hate" since everyone has a right to express themselves. There will always be differences of opinions & views, but there is no reason to muzzle the other side.

A person's right to "freedom of speech" stops when they intentionally incite a criminal act of violence to life, limb or property. I.E., the commonly used example of someone yelling fire in a movie theater.
 
Lilac said:
@Murrmurr, the Constitution protects Freedom of Speech, but doesn't criminal activity. I don't think the two can be linked together (hope that made sense).

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A person's right to "freedom of speech" stops when they intentionally incite a criminal act of violence to life, limb or property. I.E., the commonly used example of someone yelling fire in a movie theater.
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That's exactly what I meant when I wrote "Freedom of speech does have limits. It's illegal to incite riots and offer to pay people to kill your ex-wife, for example."

I got that last example from a crime documentary that talked about a lady who got arrested for posting on social media that she'd give $5K to anyone willing to shoot her ex husband. She said she was "obviously joking," which did not save her from being prosecuted.
 
@mrstime, Freedom of Speech allows you to talk about everything whether someone agrees with it or not, not just about the government. Not everyone is going to like what another has to say.

I understand @Murrmurr where you were coming from. But when I read it I thought you were trying to link the two together. Criminals have tried that in the past as a defense before & it never held up.

But if anyone tried to link those two together, it would be the criminalization of free speech & use that as a weapon against someone they don't agree with is what I was trying to say. Maybe I wasn't clear.
 
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In the 8th grade in California, we had to pass a civics test to get to 9th grade. The test was all about the constitution of the US. I've forgotten a lot but remember some parts quite clearly.
 
"First Amendment (1A): Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

The 1A protects the freedoms of religion, expression, speech, the press, the right to peaceable assembly & petitioning.

SCOTUS has interpreted 1A to apply to the entire federal government & went on to protect these rights at the state level by using the Due Process Clause of the 14th Amendment. You can't under the 1A say something that could cause violence, encourage illegal actions or fighting words. And a person cannot be held liable, criminally or civilly, for anything written or spoken about a person or topic, if it is truthful or based on an honest opinion & statements.

Canada has Freedom of Expression that is guaranteed by a Charter of Rights & Freedoms which contains a loophole not mentioned too much. The Charter's preamble clearly states this freedom is subject to "Reasonable Limits" that is determined by the government. Another part of the Charter allows the provincial government to restrict other freedoms they wish to as long as they announce they are going to do it.

Canada has no Supreme Court to reign in the government.
 

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