Wisconsin Supreme Court Strikes Down Stay-at-Home Orders - What does it mean?

I suspect that local authorities have a better feel for their areas than most State or National entities. Here, in our State, the biggest outbreaks have been in the food processing plants, and the Senior centers. Our governor is relying on these locals to determine much of the State policies. The larger cities are still showing little sign of improvement, while the more rural areas are showing only minor impact. Staying current on the news, and continuing to practice the recommended policies of avoiding crowds, etc., is probably the best we can do, for now.
 
Don M. said:
I suspect that local authorities have a better feel for their areas than most State or National entities. Here, in our State, the biggest outbreaks have been in the food processing plants, and the Senior centers. Our governor is relying on these locals to determine much of the State policies. The larger cities are still showing little sign of improvement, while the more rural areas are showing only minor impact. Staying current on the news, and continuing to practice the recommended policies of avoiding crowds, etc., is probably the best we can do, for now.
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I agree in principle. Local control would work if businesses and people controlled themselves - unfortunately, this isn't necessarily what we have seen.
 

It means a lot of people will get exposed unnecessarily, some will get sick, and some will die - more than need to, unfortunately.

There's much we don't know yet about the SARS-COV2 virus (COVID-19 is the illness; SARS-COV2 is the coronavirus itself).

But what we DO know, is that it is highly infectious - as much or even more than measles - and the greatest amount of infectious viral particles are shed WITHOUT the person showing any symptoms yet. IOW, for people who show symptoms, it is the 3-4 days before that they are most infectious to others - when they don't realize yet they are sick.

Children, who tend to show fewer symptoms if any, apparently shed as much or even higher percentage of IVPs than adults. Even more important is they have 3x as much daily contacts with people than adults, increasing the to/from infection risks.
 
IMO if each municipality sets its own rules people will travel from the restrictive areas to the more liberal areas for shopping, dining, entertainment, etc... and increase the spread of the virus.

I think that having one policy for an entire state or a large region of a state makes more sense.

No matter what the government decides it's still up to each of us to do what is best for our own situation.
 
Aunt Bea said:
IMO if each municipality sets its own rules people will travel from the restrictive areas to the more liberal areas for shopping, dining, entertainment, etc... and increase the spread of the virus.

I think that having one policy for an entire state or a large region of a state makes more sense.

No matter what the government decides it's still up to each of us to do what is best for our own situation.
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Yes, but with all these socializing young folks, ancient folks like myself may never see the light at the end of the tunnel - unless it is that FINAL light. /-;
 
Em in Ohio said:
Yes, but with all these socializing young folks, ancient folks like myself may never see the light at the end of the tunnel - unless it is that FINAL light. /-;
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IMO by now, we should all know what we need to do to keep ourselves reasonably safe.

Go where you need/want to go and do what you need/want to do but be smart about it and do it in the safest possible way.

"A ship in port is safe, but that's not what ships are built for." - John A. Shedd
 
You have an unseen boogeyman- the coronavirus. The people, who are dying are not seen-they are just numbers on the news. And let's face it,most are ready for the grave yard , anyway. Your whole life is screwed up. And it'd been a long, long, long time. Plus every day, it's the loss of income. How do you even get food without cash.
So, it's not so hard to understand why people want to go back to living as we used to- even if that costs lives. From the first, I could never understand what was so different from flu epidemics. In 2017, 60,000 died in the yearly flu epidemic that year. Nobody cared. Who even knew that many died in the US from the flu in 2017? Well, if 60,000 died from the flu, and nobody blinked, what's so horrendous about 120,000 ( that was expected death toll from the virus), out of a population of 300,000,000+.
 
Covid 19 has brought out the dictator in a lot of governors and mayors. I think everyone was willing to give it a try for 6 weeks, but the longer this drags on, the crazier it's gonna get. You can't deprive people of their livelihoods and just expect them to roll over and take it.
 
Our Nashville Mayor’s re-opening plan Is different than Tennessee Governor’s plan for the state. Gov Lee even noted in his executive order that Nashville’s reopening would be different and left it to the Mayor to control that.
 
Pennsylvania is all screwed up. The Governor is trying to control everything and everyone, which according to the Pennsylvania Constitution, he certainly has the right. I know Governor Wolf personally and I know that he is a very good man with strong Christian beliefs. He wants what is best for his citizens, or what he believes is the best for Pennsylvanians. This is NOT a power grab as some citizens have put it. I do wish that he would use some better common sense and logic, but whatever.

The Secretary of HSS here in PA, who happens to be a transgender and is the first TG to be appointed to the office that she/he holds did something that opened the door for a lot of people to attack her/his credibility. She/He made the statements that retirement homes are safe, but the majority of the deaths here in PA have been in nursing and senior homes. The worse thing that the Secretary did was after she/he made that statement, she/he moved her/his Mom to a hotel. That action undermined her/his credibility.

People have been stuck in their homes for what, maybe 2 months or so? I think it's time to open the doors and let's see what happens. If the numbers begin to spike up, close the doors. It's not rocket science.
 
911 said:
Pennsylvania is all screwed up. The Governor is trying to control everything and everyone, which according to the Pennsylvania Constitution, he certainly has the right. I know Governor Wolf personally and I know that he is a very good man with strong Christian beliefs. He wants what is best for his citizens, or what he believes is the best for Pennsylvanians. This is NOT a power grab as some citizens have put it. I do wish that he would use some better common sense and logic, but whatever.

The Secretary of HSS here in PA, who happens to be a transgender and is the first TG to be appointed to the office that she/he holds did something that opened the door for a lot of people to attack her/his credibility. She/He made the statements that retirement homes are safe, but the majority of the deaths here in PA have been in nursing and senior homes. The worse thing that the Secretary did was after she/he made that statement, she/he moved her/his Mom to a hotel. That action undermined her/his credibility.

People have been stuck in their homes for what, maybe 2 months or so? I think it's time to open the doors and let's see what happens. If the numbers begin to spike up, close the doors. It's not rocket science.
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If the person is a transgender, please use the pronoun appropriate to the person's preferred gender identification.
 
@C'est Moi, as someone with a transgender friend, I learned that that the appropriate pronoun is whatever that person is comfortable using. Not him/her or he/she, and certainly not a designation that makes the person uncomfortable.

@911 was obviously being respectful of his state's Secretary of HSS. I merely intended to inform, certainly not to chide.
 
StarSong said:
@C'est Moi, as someone with a transgender friend, I learned that that the appropriate pronoun is whatever that person is comfortable using. Not him/her or he/she, and certainly not a designation that makes the person uncomfortable.

@911 was obviously being respectful of his state's Secretary of HSS. I merely intended to inform, certainly not to chide.
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I hear what you're saying, StarSong and I admire you for your beliefs. I'll just say that 911's feelings (and mine) are every much as valid as someone who "identifies" as whatever. I am sick and tired of being told what I need to think and believe. A person born with certain chromosomes cannot overcome biology. (And I apologize to 911; I am not speaking for him but for myself.)

Apologies to readers for dragging this thread off topic.
 
I was trying to cover both grounds so as not to offend anyone, but that didn't work out very well, so I apologize if I offended anyone. Rachel was actually born Richard.

Did you know that when the police fill out a report involving a transgender, they use the gender at birth? If Rachel was to be involved in a vehicle accident, the police would use a male pronoun when writing out the accident report such as: ".......his car then hit the median, etc...." Doing this has caused a lot of rift in the TG community, but if a TG was involved in a major crime, it would be so easy for them to hide their gender, it may be difficult to ID them using only eyesight alone and without running prints or DNA.

I will admit that some police departments to avoid skirmishes with the TG community will write in their reports as to what the person is showing to be at present.
 
Em in Ohio said:
At first glance, it is frightening. BUT, what it does is put the responsibility on local Mayors instead of the Governor. This may be a better alternative - or it may lead to more spread of the virus. It is (potentially) precedent setting. Thoughts?

https://www.jsonline.com/story/news...d-coronavirus-safer-at-home-evers/5187903002/
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We really don't know what it means, but we can't be too afraid to try it. We have to give our local leaders some credit. Our American Spirit will survive and thrive! In the eyes of the Feds, we are invisible numbers....to our local leaders, we are visible, neighbors.
 
Em in Ohio said:
At first glance, it is frightening. BUT, what it does is put the responsibility on local Mayors instead of the Governor. This may be a better alternative - or it may lead to more spread of the virus. It is (potentially) precedent setting. Thoughts?

https://www.jsonline.com/story/news...d-coronavirus-safer-at-home-evers/5187903002/
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The link is behind a pay wall, so I won't open it. I've seen other coverage of it, though.

This was their State Supreme Court, so the only precedent it could set would be for that state. And who knows what appeals are appropriate or if any more will or can be filed.

States have different laws and parts of their state constitution that control what the governor can and can't do in a health emergency.

I agree with Star Song. I'm glad I don't live in Wisconsin, too.
 
Butterfly said:
The link is behind a pay wall, so I won't open it. I've seen other coverage of it, though.

This was their State Supreme Court, so the only precedent it could set would be for that state. And who knows what appeals are appropriate or if any more will or can be filed.

States have different laws and parts of their state constitution that control what the governor can and can't do in a health emergency.

I agree with Star Song. I'm glad I don't live in Wisconsin, too.
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There are no further appeals. The U.S. Supreme Court ruled years ago that when any of the States’ Supreme Court has handed down a ruling on State Constitutional matters, they will not intervene.

I am not a Virologist and I doubt if the Governor or Mayor is or, even a Scientist for that matter. Like StarSong said, I’ll take a wait and see approach. As for liability, insurance companies may have something to say about restaurants and bars opening prior to the Governor’s OK, especially if there are liability issues at stake. If a customer has a burger and a beer in Moe’s Tavern and 2 weeks later comes down with COVID-19 and dies, can the tavern be sued or the mayor or both or no one? I don’t know.
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fuzzybuddy said:
You have an unseen boogeyman- the coronavirus. The people, who are dying are not seen-they are just numbers on the news. And let's face it,most are ready for the grave yard , anyway. Your whole life is screwed up. And it'd been a long, long, long time. Plus every day, it's the loss of income. How do you even get food without cash.
So, it's not so hard to understand why people want to go back to living as we used to- even if that costs lives. From the first, I could never understand what was so different from flu epidemics. In 2017, 60,000 died in the yearly flu epidemic that year. Nobody cared. Who even knew that many died in the US from the flu in 2017? Well, if 60,000 died from the flu, and nobody blinked, what's so horrendous about 120,000 ( that was expected death toll from the virus), out of a population of 300,000,000+.
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So it's OK to just dismiss tens of thousands of deaths of those whom you deem to be "ready for the graveyard anyway?" Are the elderly and those with underlying diseases all expendable?

That's an extremely callous and dangerous position to take, IMHO. If we decide the lives of the old and infirm are of no consequence and we'll just thin the herd, what's next? Do we decide that the lives of certain other groups are of no consequence as well?
 
911 said:
There are no further appeals. The U.S. Supreme Court ruled years ago that when any of the States’ Supreme Court has handed down a ruling on State Constitutional matters, they will not intervene.

I am not a Virologist and I doubt if the Governor or Mayor is or, even a Scientist for that matter. Like StarSong said, I’ll take a wait and see approach. As for liability, insurance companies may have something to say about restaurants and bars opening prior to the Governor’s OK, especially if there are liability issues at stake. If a customer has a burger and a beer in Moe’s Tavern and 2 weeks later comes down with COVID-19 and dies, can the tavern be sued or the mayor or both or no one? I don’t know.
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You raised a very interesting point - Will insurers have an influence on reopenings? Good question!
 
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