Woman Assaulted in N.J. Staples Over Mask Issue

win231

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This situation involved TWO idiots; not just one. If you watch carefully, the younger woman's mask was below her nose. The older woman not only confronts her but also raises her cane at her. Really stupid - both to confront someone over a mask, then threaten her with her cane (especially considering her health issues) She has a fractured leg & the younger woman probably won't be charged:
Yes, I wear a mask when shopping because it's required, but I would never confront anyone who's not wearing one or not wearing one properly; it's just plain stupid.

 

Judycat

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Yeah what's she doing with her cane in the air? What's she doing picking a fight after having a liver transplant? She should be overcome with gratitude instead of threatening people in a store.
 

win231

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I saw on evening news. Wow.😒
Looks like older woman poked younger woman with cane.
After watching the video a couple of times, the older woman did poke the younger woman with her cane. I also noticed that the younger woman warned her not to do that before grabbing the cane (or her hand) & yanking her to the floor - which was an appropriate response.
I'll never understand how some people think it's OK to do something like that. She'll have a lot of time to think about it while she recovers.
I'm reminded of the saying, "There's no fool like an old fool."
 

applecruncher

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@win231
Too bad older woman (54) was injured but SHE initiated the verbal & physical assault.

Sidebar: liver surgery is serious. She should have asked friend, relative, etc. to make copies for her.
 
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MarciKS

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I don't understand what it is about this that's making everyone so crazy. It's just a mask. And people are behaving like they have guns pointed at them. It's a few inches of material to wear to help prevent a deadly virus. It's no different than a halloween mask they would probably take no issue with wearing. It's paper & string for God sake!
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Sunny

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I don't understand what it is about this that's making everyone so crazy. It's just a mask. And people are behaving like they have guns pointed at them. It's a few inches of material to wear to help prevent a deadly virus. It's no different than a halloween mask they would probably take no issue with wearing. It's paper & string for God sake!
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It's become a political symbol to some people. All a demagogue has to do, apparently, is attach some horrifying or ludicrous meaning to a perfectly ordinary item, and they're off and running.

I don't believe this is about the masks per se.
 

Sunny

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Some more thoughts on this: The attacker was clearly more in the wrong, and I hope she gets identified by someone and arrested for assault.

But the other woman, her victim, was foolish. People's nerves are frazzled right now, and it's just plain dumb to offer criticism to a stranger, who could be nutty as a fruitcake. The store should have personnel dealing with whether masks are being worn properly, personnel who are trained in crowd control. It shouldn't be up to shoppers to criticize each other.
 

garyt1957

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Hard to say without sound but it seems to me the older woman held up her cane to keep the other woman away but didn't hit her. The other woman certainly didn't need to throw her down. The younger woman also came up on the older woman when she had her back turned, startling her. I hope they charge the woman who threw the other one down.
 
I've looked at the video several times. What I see is the young woman approaching the elderly lady, possibly touching her on the arm. The elderly lady turns around and points her cane toward the young woman, in defense. The young woman, instead of batting the cane away, grabs the elderly lady by the hand and violently flings her to the ground.

While the elderly lady probably shouldn't have said anything to the young woman (and we don't know what she said.....it could have been a racial slur for all we know), the young woman had no reason to attack the elderly woman.

That's my two cents, adjusted for inflation, of course.....
 

win231

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Hard to say without sound but it seems to me the older woman held up her cane to keep the other woman away but didn't hit her. The other woman certainly didn't need to throw her down. The younger woman also came up on the older woman when she had her back turned, startling her. I hope they charge the woman who threw the other one down.
Not a chance. Once you threaten someone with a weapon, the game is over.
 

Keesha

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I've looked at the video several times. What I see is the young woman approaching the elderly lady, possibly touching her on the arm. The elderly lady turns around and points her cane toward the young woman, in defense. The young woman, instead of batting the cane away, grabs the elderly lady by the hand and violently flings her to the ground.

While the elderly lady probably shouldn't have said anything to the young woman (and we don't know what she said.....it could have been a racial slur for all we know), the young woman had no reason to attack the elderly woman.

That's my two cents, adjusted for inflation, of course.....
I agree. They BOTH over reacted terribly.
 

win231

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I've looked at the video several times. What I see is the young woman approaching the elderly lady, possibly touching her on the arm. The elderly lady turns around and points her cane toward the young woman, in defense. The young woman, instead of batting the cane away, grabs the elderly lady by the hand and violently flings her to the ground.

While the elderly lady probably shouldn't have said anything to the young woman (and we don't know what she said.....it could have been a racial slur for all we know), the young woman had no reason to attack the elderly woman.

That's my two cents, adjusted for inflation, of course.....
I consider 54 "older" but not "elderly." But I wish people would think before they act. When you confront someone, you have NO idea who they are, where they came from, or what they're going through. And you know nothing about their medical or mental history.
They could have just been released or escaped from prison; they may have a mental illness, they may have been brought up in an abusive environment & may react violently to a perceived threat (as in this incident). Or, they may be struggling financially due to loss of their job from Covid & frustrated as hell. The older woman is damn lucky she wasn't injured further while she was on the ground.
I can tell just from the way some people are driving that they're on the edge.
 

Keesha

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Some people have mental disorders and I don’t think it’s unreasonable to suggest that both these women have some form of them. With the added stress of this pandemic it’s put people on edge and they aren’t acting in their best behaviour but BOTH these woman over reacted. People shouldn’t hold up their canes in anger but nor should they grab them by the arm and toss them onto the ground.
 

OneEyedDiva

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People are just acting so crazy these days. The older woman had no business poking the younger woman with her nasty cane. This is Jersey...you don't just put your hands (or any other object) on people. It's a violation. That cane had been all over the ground now you touch me with it?! Oh HELL to the NO! Truthfully...just out of reflexes (mine are quick), if she did it to me, I may have popped her. Am I a violent person...NO. But you don't touch me in a threatening manner and think you're going to get away with it. Most likely I would have used my "big voice" first though. That usually keeps people off me.
 

911

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I don’t know how many of you have been following Dr. Fauci on his different interviews and also in the hearings that he has given testimony in. He has stated a few times that some people are doing things to others as they did during the HIV scare. We all need to do as the CDC requests and follow the guidelines. To ignore preventative measures is not a wise decision.
 

Keesha

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Why jump there?
Because I don’t believe two wrongs make a right. You seriously think the younger woman was in the right to go ape sh*t because some crazy old woman pointed her cane at her?
They BOTH over reacted.

So I didn’t jump anywhere. Unless my life is in SERIOUS danger, I don’t ever resort to violence. With others, it’s their FIRST line of defence. If someone pisses them off, they are instantly reaching for their gun. Someone gets shot and then everyone wonders what went wrong.

Seriously? Get real! Was that old crazy lady really that much of a threat that she needed violently taken down? And this is coming from ‘men?’ Really?🙄
 
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win231

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Good for you tough guy. I'm not assaulting some old lady because she pointed a cane at me. Of course I'm not going to invade her space in a pandemic either.
I was speaking from a legal standpoint, not a moral one. Obviously, you don't know the difference.
 

Sunny

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Because I don’t believe two wrongs make a right. You seriously think the younger woman was in the right to go ape sh*t because some crazy old woman pointed her cane at her?
They BOTH over reacted.

So I didn’t jump anywhere. Unless my life is in SERIOUS danger, I don’t ever resort to violence. With others, it’s their FIRST line of defence. If someone pisses them off, they are instantly reaching for their gun. Someone gets shot and then everyone wonders what went wrong.

Seriously? Get real! Was that old crazy lady really that much of a threat that she needed violently taken down? And this is coming from ‘men?’ Really?🙄
Keesha, I suspect that Gary was answering JuJube's comment, not yours. Just guessing, but I think the question was about bringing racial slurs into it.
 

applecruncher

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Keesha, I suspect that Gary was answering JuJube's comment, not yours. Just guessing, but I think the question was about bringing racial slurs into it.
I agree, Sunny.

And...for a split second the Michael Drejka handicapped parking scene entered my mind. But, very different, I know. 🤔
 


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