Woman killed over not saying 'thank you'

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The Brief:

1. A woman was shot and killed outside a Dallas PetSmart on Tuesday following an argument that started over the suspect not saying "thank you" for a held door.

2. The victim, Cecilia Simpson, was shot multiple times after the dispute escalated into a physical fight in the parking lot.

3. Police have arrested 22-year-old Keona Zachyua Hampton, who is booked into the Dallas County Jail; a bond has not yet been set.

Full article: Woman killed outside Dallas PetSmart after argument over not saying 'thank you'
I’m a door holder. If I see someone about to come out of the door I’m walking in, or I see them following me out, I’ll hold it open. 95% of the time they will say thank you. The other 5% when they don’t acknowledge my presence? I shrug my shoulders and keep on with my day. It is not worth losing your life over.

Your thoughts on this?
 

Jazzy1 said:
The Brief:

1. A woman was shot and killed outside a Dallas PetSmart on Tuesday following an argument that started over the suspect not saying "thank you" for a held door.

2. The victim, Cecilia Simpson, was shot multiple times after the dispute escalated into a physical fight in the parking lot.

3. Police have arrested 22-year-old Keona Zachyua Hampton, who is booked into the Dallas County Jail; a bond has not yet been set.

Full article: Woman killed outside Dallas PetSmart after argument over not saying 'thank you'
I’m a door holder. If I see someone about to come out of the door I’m walking in, or I see them following me out, I’ll hold it open. 95% of the time they will say thank you. The other 5% when they don’t acknowledge my presence? I shrug my shoulders and keep on with my day. It is not worth losing your life over.

Your thoughts on this?
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The Second Amendment to the Constitution states the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. The Supreme Court has affirmed this as an individual right, particularly for self-defence. The right applies to both federal and state governments, thanks to the Supreme Court's ruling in McDonald v. City of Chicago.
That Amendment allows Americans to carry firearms which, sadly, get used. The U.S. gun death rate is over 340 times higher than the UK's. Guns are deeply ingrained in American society and the nation’s political debates.

About a third of U.S. adults say they personally own a gun. At the same time, in response to concerns such as rising gun death rates and mass shootings, the U.S. surgeon general has taken the unprecedented step of declaring gun violence a public health crisis. The answer is up to Americans, they can't have it both ways.

The UK is rare among developed countries for it's police officers to not carry firearms, as only a small percentage of officers are authoried to do so, typically specialist armed firearms officers. This approach is based on policing by consent, relying on community trust, and is a historical foundation of the British criminal justice system, with a very low level of gun crime contributing to the low number of routine firearm carriers.
 
I hold the door because it’s a courtesy. I never expect a “thank you,” “thanks,” or anything else. No one has to hold a door open for the person in back or a person entering the store. It’s a simple courtesy and the thanks should never be expected, although the majority of people do say it.

I think the shooter may have been looking for a fight and is why she pursued the victim. At that point, anyone with a brain would know that this isn’t going to end well. She may not have intended to use the gun, but then she may have gone a little too far and saw there was no turning back.

Texas has lenient gun laws. No permit is necessary to carry concealed or open as long as they are NOT a felon.

This was in Texas, so who knows how this will turn out?
 
Jazzy1 said:
I’m a door holder. If I see someone about to come out of the door I’m walking in, or I see them following me out, I’ll hold it open. 95% of the time they will say thank you. The other 5% when they don’t acknowledge my presence? I shrug my shoulders and keep on with my day. It is not worth losing your life over.

Your thoughts on this?
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If I hold a door for someone and they don't thank me or acknowledge the assist in some way I will often just say "you're welcome" loud enough for them to hear. Can't do so in traffic though, and it's increasingly commonplace to let someone cut in during heavy traffic and not get the "thank you" wave.
 
horseless carriage said:
... About a third of U.S. adults say they personally own a gun. At the same time, in response to concerns such as rising gun death rates and mass shootings, the U.S. surgeon general has taken the unprecedented step of declaring gun violence a public health crisis. The answer is up to Americans, they can't have it both ways.

The UK is rare among developed countries for it's police officers to not carry firearms, as only a small percentage of officers are authoried to do so, typically specialist armed firearms officers. This approach is based on policing by consent, relying on community trust, and is a historical foundation of the British criminal justice system, with a very low level of gun crime contributing to the low number of routine firearm carriers.
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Yes, it is, and yes, we can.
 
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911 said:
I hold the door because it’s a courtesy. I never expect a “thank you,” “thanks,” or anything else. No one has to hold a door open for the person in back or a person entering the store. It’s a simple courtesy and the thanks should never be expected, although the majority of people do say it.

I think the shooter may have been looking for a fight and is why she pursued the victim. At that point, anyone with a brain would know that this isn’t going to end well. She may not have intended to use the gun, but then she may have gone a little too far and saw there was no turning back.

Texas has lenient gun laws. No permit is necessary to carry concealed or open as long as they are NOT a felon.

This was in Texas, so who knows how this will turn out?
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I take it also this person was not one to back down and gun or no gun was determined to win the battle. Who can know if a weapon was
not present another makeshift weapon nearby would not have been used. I have a feeling this was never going to end well in any way. The article
doesn't say if the gun was legal or not.
In today's world, we just have to remind ourselves
"Roll it off your back, ya never know the mental stability of the next person"
 
Jazzy1 said:
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The news headline states, "Woman killed outside Dallas PetSmart after argument over not saying 'thank you' " That is what precipitated an argument that escalated, but is an over-simplification of the facts.

"The [American] public is broadly opposed to allowing people to carry concealed guns without a permit: 81% oppose this proposal, with two-thirds strongly opposed. Just 19% favor allowing people to carry concealed guns without a permit." -> quoted from this source: Pew Research Center

I am a gun owner but I do not carry a gun in public, nor do I support it. [I stand with the 81%.]

However, the 2nd amendment to the Constitution states, "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed." Even when the amendment is preceded with "A well regulated Militia," the National Rifle Association has still prevailed in Supreme Court cases using the argument that the amendment protects individuals rights right to possess and bear firearms for traditionally lawful purposes, such as self-defense.
 
Rich said:
If I hold a door for someone and they don't thank me or acknowledge the assist in some way I will often just say "you're welcome" loud enough for them to hear.
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I get the feeling that's all the victim did. She held a door for the shooter. The shooter breezed on through. The victim said something about not getting thanked, and for that the shooter went off, chased her inside the store shouted at her, chased her out to the parking lot and then as the victim was trying to flea Keona Zachyua Hampton shot her three times in front of her daughter.

She will never be able to plea self-defense on this. The store wasn't her property, she was not standing her ground, she was not threatened and the victim was trying to flee from her.

I don't think it's national insanity so much as entitlement. Just a mean woman so entitled she felt no reason to mumble a thanks for the door being held, and also entitled to not have to listen to any criticism. Therefore she was entitled to kill the woman who dared to call her on her rudeness.
 
This part bothers me too:
Officers received cell phone video of the shooting. Police said the video showed the argument and several gunshots were heard as the person recording the video turned the phone.
Was anyone calling the police as it was happening or just too enthralled they had to wait and tape it till it ended?
 
I'm a door holder too. It bothered me more when my then (decades ago in city settings) prepubescent children didn't get thanked than if i didn't. Especially when several people would go thru and not so much as smile or nod from any of them.

As many of you know, i now live In a small town at least 2/3 of people of all ages.will hold doors and most of them say thank you if you hold it for them. Both the post office and bank have fairly heavy manual doors. So some people will actually speed up if they see an older person heading in/out so they can get it for us. I always say thank you even if in a hurry. If it's a child i will make sure to smile broadly and make eye contact as i thank them hoping my positive reinforcement will make up for the few folks that will just breeze on by like the kid is paid doorman.

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Also, i try to consider that the person may be having a bad day and are 'tuned out' to anything not a threat, because they're lost in thought.
 
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I always say "thank you" too. However, if someone did not say it to me I certainly wouldn't let it ruin my day. I probably would not even give it a second thought. People are different and there is no way to know what is going through someone's mind.
 
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feywon said:
I'm a door holder too. It bothered me more when my then (decades ago in city settings) prepubescent children didn't get thanked than if i didn't. Especially when several people would go thru and not so much as smile or nod .

As many of you know, i now live In a small town at least 2/3 of people of all ages.will hold doors and most of them say thank you if you hold it for them. Both the post office and bank have fairly heavy manual doors. So some people will actually speed up if they see an older person heading for so they can get it for us. I always say thank you even if in a hurry. If it's a child i will make sure to smile broadly and make eye contact as i thank them hoping my positive reinforcement will make up for the few folks that will just breeze on by the kid is paid doorman.

Also, i try to consider that the person may be having a bad day and are 'tuned out' to anything not a threat, because they're lost in thought.
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I was typing my response above just when you posted yours. The problem as far as I am concerned is mental illness, and there seems to be a great deal of that right now.
 
horseless carriage said:
The Second Amendment to the Constitution states the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.
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Mmmmmm not entirely. For example, felons are not allowed to participate in the "shipping, transporting, possessing, or receiving firearms or ammunition".

As to the case in question, clearly it's a crazy situation and there is no justification for it. It's heinous.

I do think that society today is over-heating. Meaning, extreme actions and beliefs are becoming more common, and people are throwing normal societal decorum out the window. People seem to be angry and hostile a lot of the time, and it's actually celebrated in comment sections, Facebook groups and the like. We seem to be simmering near boiling point the whole time as our civilization unwinds.
 
I find it rare that someone doesn’t hold the door and I make a point of saying thank you. If I’m ahead of them, I’ll hold it for them. It helps that lots of doors are self-opening. Then there’s the dance of who will go come in or go out first. Men tend to allow women to go first.
 
VaughanJB said:
Mmmmmm not entirely. For example, felons are not allowed to participate in the "shipping, transporting, possessing, or receiving firearms or ammunition".

As to the case in question, clearly it's a crazy situation and there is no justification for it. It's heinous.

I do think that society today is over-heating. Meaning, extreme actions and beliefs are becoming more common, and people are throwing normal societal decorum out the window. People seem to be angry and hostile a lot of the time, and it's actually celebrated in comment sections, Facebook groups and the like. We seem to be simmering near boiling point the whole time as our civilization unwinds.
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it's actually celebrated in comment sections, Facebook Exactly why I came here and don't go on there anymore
 

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