Writing Changes

Paul

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I love to indent the first sentence with all the paragraphs. Todays writers say no! I love to use five sentences for easy reading, todays writers say no! I try to keep the piece to five paragraphs, todays writers say no! Why can't I write (my way)?
 

Congatulations Paul !... just keep on doing it your way (didn't Frank Sinatra have a song about that ?)

You have your writing style which sadly, is dying along with much of the grammar that we studied as kids. In particular, I have a dislike for the grammar and spelling which is part & parcel of the mobile phone era (cell phone to you yanks).

Correct spelling as we know it has been tossed aside.... replaced by text message lingo which I hate !
 
Terra,
I noticed most English teachers English majors and some professors have there own personal writing style. When I try to write to these people they chastise me for writing incorrectly. Thanks for the boost in my self esteem. Paul
 

Well done Paul... keep it up and always remember, no matter how higher up the chain some of these teachers & majors may like to believe they are, we are all born equal.
Maybe you should respond to some of their criticism by saying that it's the way that you do it... your own distinct style which makes you unique as a writer.
I'm sure that if we were to look back on history, there would possibly be a few famous scribes with a flair of their own as well.

cheers mate !.
 
Good advice Tezza, what Lit. professors are looking for doesn't matter to anybody but themselves. This isn't University, we don't need to follow their rules. We all have our own rules, and likes and dislikes of styles, none of us are ever going to please everyone. We don't have to.

I wrote this ramble below out with Paul in mind but it's aimed at all who may be timid to post due to lack of confidence in their 'writing style' or out of fear of criticism.

(I thought I'd lost it when a previous thread closed before I submitted it but have found most, and fixed the rest, so seems a shame to waste it... )

..............

Regarding the problem some people have trying to fit written expression into some pre-ordained format of rules.... just forget all that crap!
Who exactly are "today's writers" and what gives them the right to tell you how to write? There is no reason at all that you "can't write your way."
Just as it's up to the reader whether they bother to read it or not, it's up to you to choose how you write it.

There is only one thing anyone needs to consider when writing anything.

Who are we writing it for?
Ourselves, or for others?

If it's only for ourselves and our own satisfaction then it doesn't matter if it's intelligible to anyone else or not.

If it's for others to read then we must decide what kind of audience we are aiming our writing toward and try when we can, to adapt the 'language/style' to engage them in a way of speaking that is familiar, and easily understood by them.

We only write for others to engage their attention. Either to inform or to entertain. It's their understanding of what we want to say that is the only priority. 'Formal', or 'perfect' writing is unutterably boring to read even when it does have a point, and it is never, ever, 'entertaining' and very unlikely to be read at all. They will never understand the point of a post that is too boring to read.

This is a forum of chatters. It's the perfect place for you start out and gain confidence, no one is marking your papers, there are no prizes for gettin' it right. We're just here to discuss what's going on in the world around us, and 'talking' among ourselves.

Your audience here are middle of the road people with some time on their hands, the 'default audience' as it were. There are all levels of education and language skills, not everyone even spoke English as a first language, we are very flexible about typos and strange phrasing, we just want to read what people have to say. .

Writing is like any other craft, some are better at it than others. The point you want to get across is the nail, your writing is the hammer. You don't need to do a detailed study of how the hammer is constructed to be able to swing it. Just get that damned point hammered in and if it goes a bit sideways it doesn't really matter, as long as it's 'in'. You can straighten things out later.

You won't find a better place to practice than here. Take advantage of it, don't waste it by obsessing over 'perfection'.

If it's a tongue in cheek subject, then use the vernacular, the way you would if you were telling a joke. (a clean one preferably. )

If you are writing a little more formally, explaining an opinion or idea, then keep in mind that the only reason for writing it at all is to get your point across.
Keep it to that point and don't confuse the reader with apologies and explanations of preferences and rules of phrasing.
News flash! They really don't care! They just want to know what the hell you are talking about, not about how you are talking about it.

How do you carry on a conversation in normal life? Do you say something and then go into a detailed explanation of why you put the words and phrasing into that particular order, and who told you to, after every sentence?? Or do you just say it and wait for a reply??



Why would you presume that writing something, at least at forum level, is any different to simply saying something? We all have different idioms and vocabularies but it's just chatting, we're not all Eng.Lit graduates or grammar nazis.
We don't have to be! And nor do you. Just 'talk' to us!


.... about anything except how we should write!
 
Very good advice from Di.....Come on Paul, join in the conversations. There are many topics of interest here, and if you don't find one that you have anything to add to, start one of your own. We would love to get to know you and your interests, cares and concerns in life.
 
Excellent advice all but you must understand after sixty five years of stagnation in writing (which is my fault) one loses ones self esteem to ones ego and there so called creativity (goes away). I am beginning to believe I have lost my creativity to my ego (wanting to please others more than myself). It is said "No man is a island" or something like that. Like it or not we are people who learn from each other by the word called humanity. I really at this time wonder why I write in the first place. Somewhere it is written "know thyself".

But what if the writer does not like what he/she sees after "knowing oneself? Then what? Do I as a person have something to contribute to society? And if I do what is it? So to speak we the people are just that people called society, a togetherness from birth like it or not. I am beginning to think about searching for what I really want in this portion of my life. Like give back something. And the only thing I have is my experiences some good some bad. Thoughts please? Paul
 
Like Di said... "talk to us"

Being one dimensional isn't being creative.. Paul, and like you said "No man is an island" ..

Open up on other issues besides writing formalities .. join in the forum. This isn't English class.
 
Well said ladies, Paul, instead of writing, in numerous threads about writing, why don't you instead write something. Just a thought. We don't need a play by play on every nuance of your writing style.
 
Great advice That Guy..... this forum is a level playing field.
We all have something to contribute and if we put the rules aside, except for rude and obscene behaviour of course, then what a wonderful world this is.

Our Diwundrin is a great example of a storyteller. I could read her ramblings forever and not get bored !
 
... and please .. don't get into Dangling Participles...:D

What's a dangling participle?? Should it dangle, and if so, why....If not, why??

See; I dunno the rules, but I just plain have fun posting about whatever; whenever I feel like it.....right or wrong. That works, as long as we're nice. :cheers:
 
Anne:
What's a dangling participle??

I dunno either, but at this age if I have one it's dangling.

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See Paul...Just let it all hang out!
 
The only thing I ever scored 100% in was English in primary school at around 10yo. I nailed and 'owned' all that parsing cr*p. Subjects, predicates, verbs, adverbs, adjectives, I could spot 'n pot 'em at 100 yards ...eeeeezeeee.

So I quit while I was ahead, archived my trophy score in the treasures box, and let the gurus dangle their participles among themselves after that and just wrote however it flowed. Seems to work okay.
I dunno what makes cars go vroom either but that doesn't mean I can't drive one.
 
We ain't writin' no White Papers here nor defending a dissertation. Words is werds. Mix it up. Make up some of yer own. Have . . . like . . . fun, ya'll. Creativity reigns (rains) supreme.
 
Aoccdrnig to rscheearch at Cmabrigde Uinervtisy, it deosn't mttaer in waht oredr the ltteers in a wrod are, the olny iprmoetnt tihng is taht the frist and lsat ltteer be at the rghit pclae. The rset can be a toatl mses and you can sitll raed it wouthit a porbelm. Tihs is bcuseae the huamn mnid deos not raed ervey lteter by istlef, but the wrod as a wlohe
 
Excellent advice all but you must understand after sixty five years of stagnation in writing (which is my fault) one loses ones self esteem to ones ego and there so called creativity (goes away). I am beginning to believe I have lost my creativity to my ego (wanting to please others more than myself). It is said "No man is a island" or something like that. Like it or not we are people who learn from each other by the word called humanity. I really at this time wonder why I write in the first place. Somewhere it is written "know thyself".

But what if the writer does not like what he/she sees after "knowing oneself? Then what? Do I as a person have something to contribute to society? And if I do what is it? So to speak we the people are just that people called society, a togetherness from birth like it or not. I am beginning to think about searching for what I really want in this portion of my life. Like give back something. And the only thing I have is my experiences some good some bad. Thoughts please? Paul
You say you would like to give back something, by pleasing others before yourself, is that not giving to others.?
By 'knowing oneself' I believe, builds one's confidence
. If you don't like what you see, you can change (if you see fit).
 
Aoccdrnig to rscheearch at Cmabrigde Uinervtisy, it deosn't mttaer in waht oredr the ltteers in a wrod are, the olny iprmoetnt tihng is taht the frist and lsat ltteer be at the rghit pclae. The rset can be a toatl mses and you can sitll raed it wouthit a porbelm. Tihs is bcuseae the huamn mnid deos not raed ervey lteter by istlef, but the wrod as a wlohe

Bingo! I can speedread that which is why it takes me longer to proof read a post than to write it.
 
Bingo! I can speedread that which is why it takes me longer to proof read a post than to write it.
I love that example, because it is completely easy to read, they sure prove a point.
I can read type upside down and backwards too. I've been in the printing industry for almost 40 years! and I started as a proofer on a big printing press and then went on to be a printing press-operator myself, so I am a nit-picker to the max. I can spot a printing error from across the room, but I've relaxed a lot these last few years, well except at work, but my internet typing skills leave much to be desired.
 


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