A Mailed Dinner Invitation To Listen To An Annuity Sales Pitch

While we were vacationing in St. Martin we were approached by a salesperson about a timeshare there. We were so tempted but my husbands work scheduled didn’t allow it, the young man was really nice n gave us each a $50 voucher for the casino!
 

Gary O' said:
Heh, you guys started it

For what it's worth, I had moderate interest
The steak brought me in
The presentation educated me a bit
And helped me to make a decision

I had rather high regard for your input....riiiight up to this thread
Now, yer just wunna 'them'

I'll continue buying/selling land instead of tying up my money in the paltry interest annuities yield
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you can think what you want about my thread , but the same way you would not want people to cost you money if they disliked you or had no interest in you but came to your house or business to mooch a meal, is the way i feel about salesman who have to pay for me covering an event out of their own pocket that i know i damn well will not buy.

i equate to a woman who has no interest in a man at all , yet is going out with him on a date anyway just so he can pay for dinner .

just because someone tries to get you as a client and invites you , the respectful thing to do is decline if you will not buy an annuity . and yes most people do know in advance they don't want one . .
 
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mathjak107 said:
the same way you would not want people to cost you money if they disliked you but came to your house or business to mooch a meal
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This is getting stooopid
It's quite simple
Those folks would NOT! be at my table
 

Gary O' said:
This is getting stooopid
It's quite simple
Those folks would NOT! be at my table
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well would you want that woman going out on a date with you who had absolutely no interest in you at all , just so you can buy her dinner because you asked ?

any reasonable human being would see that is the wrong thing to do .

just because we could do something does not mean we should or it is the right thing to do .
 
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mathjak107 said:
well would you want that woman going out on a date with you who had absolutely no interest in you at all , just so you can buy her dinner because you asked ?
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Somehow I've managed to pick up on the vibes waaaay before considering asking someone out
Yer run-a-the-mill sales people are not as cognizant
They're too involved with themselves

Yer not gonna ask me if I'd jump out of a plane, are you?
That's a rather old one, but didn't fall for it back then, either
 
Gary O' said:
Somehow I've managed to pick up on the vibes waaaay before considering asking someone out
Yer run-a-the-mill sales people are not as cognizant
They're too involved with themselves

Yer not gonna ask me if I'd jump out of a plane, are you?
That's a rather old one, but didn't fall for it back then, either
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silly answer to my question ....

do you think it is proper for that woman to accept and waste your money just because you asked , when she knows she has no interest ?
 
I used to go to those sales pitch events quite often. I enjoyed riling those bastards, no lie. I got a free trip to Disneyworld, Disneyland, Vegas, a very good CB, a reasonably high quality set of luggage, and a few more things.

I only considered the event a success if the gifts were thrown at me. Two actually were! While doing so, one salesman said, "This is what we do for people with attitude problems!"

Only once did I get suckered: The come-on literature told me I'd get a gift check for $100 if I attended the spiel in Houston. I rented a nice car, for $18, drove to Houston, saw an old girlfriend. At the event, that gift check was a dedicated check you could only use on rip-off priced items in their company catalog. Oh well, I still had fun seeing the old gf. (She just came for a visit with Janet and I, last month. It had been about twenty years since I last saw her.)

One time, my first week in Austin, my old (Chicago) drummer's brother, who worked with my new bride, here, invited us to a free dinner and an "interesting presentation that might be of use to (us)" It was a high pressure Amway pitch! I was exhausted, from moving down to Austin, unpacking, looking for a day gig, etc. I contained my great anger, afterwards, until he walked us out to our car. When he asked what I thought, I exploded on this guy, shaking with anger as I did so. I never saw him, again.
 
Gary O' said:
Guess yer not pickin' up on the fact that I wouldn't be asking that woman out

Hey, this has been fun, but since there appears a steak is not involved, let's just drop this little dialogue
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you get what i am saying ..... it is wrong for anyone to waste someone else's money , especially an individual trying to earn a living , when they have no interest in what they are offering .

like i said , they don't know you or your intentions , but they hope you have the respect for what they do that if you have no interest you will do the right thing and decline , not mooch a meal off them .

if it is some big company throwing the event , well do what you want . but the problem is when these salesman who are trying to earn a living pay for it out of their own pocket it is wrong . but you don't know who is paying for it and that is the problem in accepting blindly.

david lerner in these parts are very popular for these events and the salesman pay for everyone who attends .

my friend works for a financial firm that does it too and he pays in to the pot for everyone who shows up so i am very respectful of what sales people do for their livelihood having been a commissioned sales engineer myself for decades . i had many clients just take from me knowing they were never ordering a thing and i think that is just disrespecting someones profession ..
 
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We get these invitations all the time, and Dave says, "we should go." We went once, and by the end of the presentation, I was ready to commit homicide. Or suicide. Maybe both. Worst speaker ever. He managed to say absolutely nothing meaningful while making all sorts of promises about a rosy financial future, kinda like a politician! It was a great steak dinner, which would have cost us $75, but I'd have had a better time if we'd stayed home and had Kraft mac and cheese! A wasted evening.
 
mathjak107 said:
you get what i am saying ..... it is wrong for anyone to waste someone else's money
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Or time
Like the last 15 minutes

Well, dang it, the shit givery is now closed
And here I am, totally out of shits with which to give about yer misguided expenditures

You take care, now
 
Gary O' said:
Or time
Like the last 15 minutes

Well, dang it, the shit givery is now closed
And here I am, totally out of shits with which to give about yer misguided expenditures

You take care, now
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thats okay , because there is nothing to argue ... you know i am right about it being very disrespectful to the livelihood of others
 
mathjak107 said:
you know i am right about it being very disrespectful to the livelihood of others
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I figger you guys know it's better to give free dinners to live audiences, than spend as much or more on blind advertising.

I respect yer opinion
But you thinking I know yer right, is just another sales ploy...wasted on this steak monger

Now, if there was a 12 pack of a good IPA involved, I'd pretend to be interested as long as they lasted

Go get 'em, cupcake
They're out there
And they are HUNGRY!!!
 
I just remembered something funny:
Remember Jay Leno's "Headlines" on his show? People contributed funny newspaper articles & ads & he joked about them.
One was an ad for a Weight-Loss seminar held at some fancy hotel. Of course the idea was to sell diets.
The ad said, "Everyone in attendance will get a free cheeseburger."
 
When I was young my parents several times were invited to dinner or a party just to find out someone was selling something.
That only happened to me once since grown. I can tell you this....once you do that to me your on my permanent S!:_( list !
Most under handed crappy thing a friend or even acquaintance can do.
 
Salesmen who only want to spend time, money or energy on a sure thing are in the wrong line of work. Sales are like planting a garden. Rely on or even expect every seed to germinate and you are looking at failure and disappointment.

In younger days, I sometimes played the game if I had the time and energy to listen to the pitch AND if the freebie was something substantial and I could easily use like a free all hook-up weekend at a luxury RV resort when I had been planning to boondock in the desert. I played fair. I never took part unless what was offered was something I could afford and use but also knew I was not susceptible to making spur of the moment decisions.

I would listen to the pitch and wait for the first face to face. My standard response was, "That was interesting. Gave me all the details and I will talk it over with my children/financial adviser/partner" whatever seemed appropriate at the time.

It wasn't wasted time for the salesmen. It was a learning experience and my presence gave them a way to hone their sales skills. You can learn all the right words but practicing on real people is essential to getting good at it.
 
mathjak107 said:
it usually is not the company that pays for these dinners . it is individual salesman who band together and are trying to earn a living ..

i would never waste their money if i knew i had no interest just to have them pay for my meal .

i think anyone who works for a living should have someone who mooches off others do it to them ... one may not like the product but i think it is in poor taste to make them spend money on you when you know damn well you are not interested .
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Really?! I think it is poor taste to solicit people who have never expressed any interest in what you are trying to SELL. If it was not to THEIR ADVANTAGE they would not do it.
 
mathjak107 said:
sure you did .. just by going ... if you had no interest in the product , which generally is the case then it is the wrong thing to do to people trying to earn a living and funding these things from their own pockets which is how most of these events are ...these people are trying to earn a living not host a dinner party for people with no interest and who want a free meal .

sorry ,, but as a commissioned sales engineer for decades of my career i feel very strongly about people wasting my time and money as i try to feed my family and i respect what others do for a living if they are in sales .
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You should save your sermons for Sundays.
 
mathjak107 said:
it usually is not the company that pays for these dinners . it is individual salesman who band together and are trying to earn a living ..

i would never waste their money if i knew i had no interest just to have them pay for my meal .

i think anyone who works for a living should have someone who mooches off others do it to them ... one may not like the product but i think it is in poor taste to make them spend money on you when you know damn well you are not interested .
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People who do that (I am told) are known by the sales people as "plate lickers".

We went to a sales pitch once - for an asset management firm. It was fairly legit and the dinner was good. Won't go again now that we have taken the DIY path.
 
Well I have my ethics and I won’t take advantage of a fellow human being if I know I have no interest in what he is offering ....that is how certain professions go to market , but just because you can take something for free from them does not mean you should if you are just doing it to stick your hand in their pocket ...you can do as you like , but I think it’s a sucky thing to do , you got to be hard up for a meal to do it in my opinion
 
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mathjak107 said:
Well I have my ethics and I won’t take advantage of a fellow human being if I know I have no interest in what he is offering ....that is how certain professions go to market , but just because you can take something for free from them does not mean you should if you are just doing it to stick your hand in their pocket ...you can do as you like , but I think it’s a sucky thing to do , you got to be hard up for a meal to do it in my opinion
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This from this guy;

mathjak107 said:
let all those who enjoy paying for our points keep doing it and getting nothing back in return, it sweetens the deals the rest of us get ..so .thanks again to those who are paying for our points
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Gary O' said:
This form this guy;
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Far from the same thing .....I love getting rebates on the money I spend ...that is what points are ....but those who don’t use cards with points or paying cash are paying the retailers the prices they are because retailers have to cover the cost of using credit cards and the perks the banks give those who use cards with points ...so in effect those who don’t get points or pay cash are paying for those points for the rest of us and not participating themselves .

Hardly the same thing....not taking advantage of what you are paying for and getting your own rebate on what you spend is just a poor choice and not the same as mooching a meal .
A choice not to take the rebate you are entitled to sweetens the pot for those who do ..that is your choice that puts you in that position.

but nice try and thanks for playing
 
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mathjak107 said:
it usually is not the company that pays for these dinners . it is individual salesman who band together and are trying to earn a living ..

i would never waste their money if i knew i had no interest just to have them pay for my meal .

i think anyone who works for a living should have someone who mooches off others do it to them ... one may not like the product but i think it is in poor taste to make them spend money on you when you know damn well you are not interested .
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Well I don't feel sorry for the ones who deliberately take advantage of people. Maybe that's not all, but some of them certainly do. I always figured the company paid for these events. Ya learn something new everyday.
 
Butterfly said:
Nope, I want to be cremated. I know it's silly, because I'd be dead, but the idea of being buried in the ground in a box strikes some kind of primal fear in me.
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I understand. If our religion didn't deem burial the appropriate choice, I might have considered cremation. My main reason...I'm deathly (pardon the pun) afraid of worms.
 

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