"Chinese virus - " yes or no?

grahamg said:
Does that make you feel better, apportioning blame without any quarter given?
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Yes. To the Chinese Communist Party, not the Chinese people. Hence CCP Virus instead of Chinese or Wuhan Virus. Chinese dissidents support the name.
 

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I must be simple and don't get this. COVID stands for "Chinese-originated Viral Infectious Disease"; so it is already called Chinese? Only those of little mind would blame all Chinese (or Asians) for this.
Other diseases some others have mentioned; I would need to look them up to see where they originated.
So: What's the difference?
It happened, this one affects everyone, so the only reason I would want to know where it comes from is that it doesn't happen again.
Period.
 
IrisSenior said:
I must be simple and don't get this. COVID stands for "Chinese-originated Viral Infectious Disease"; so it is already called Chinese? Only those of little mind would blame all Chinese (or Asians) for this.
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That's a myth. COVID-19 actually stands for COrona VIrus Disease (CO-VI-D) 2019 (the year it emerged).

https://www.who.int/emergencies/dis...ase-(covid-2019)-and-the-virus-that-causes-it

https://www.wusa9.com/article/news/...-for/507-9e015465-af20-4812-9e65-24ecdc6f064d
 

RadishRose said:
Why does this thing have so many names? Even this has to be political. Blame game. I'm tired of it. Just my 2 cents.
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It was the same when "swine flu" became "H1N1." I can't keep up with all the names. I also wonder why this particular virus has shut down the entire world when the previous ones were equally deadly but did not.
 
RadishRose said:
Why does this thing have so many names? Even this has to be political. Blame game. I'm tired of it. Just my 2 cents.
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It's political to me because the Chinese Communist Party made the decision to try to hide the disease until it blew up on them. Then they tried to downplay it and 'disappeared' brave individuals who tried to bypass totalitarian censorship to get the truth to the rest of us.

When I say CCP Virus, it's not only to blame the CCP, but is also to honor honest people oppressed by that regime. 'Made in China' and the horrible sweatshop conditions that go along with it used to bother me, but somewhere along the way, I numbed those feelings. Covid-19/CCP Virus has been a wakeup call for me. I'm appalled that the people who make our vitamins and baby formula can't buy them safely for their own use, and that their government has the power to literaly lock them in their homes sick in order to try and save face.

Calling it CCP Virus reminds me of all that
 
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He's the same idiot that wished for a recession so Trump would not be re-elected. I don't care what he says. Guess he got his wish. Idiot. Don't care what they call this virus. But the Chinese have got some 'splainin' to do.
 
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CarolfromTX said:
He's the same idiot that wished for a recession so Trump would not be re-elected. I don't care what he says. Guess he got his wish. Idiot. Don't care what they call this virus. But the Chinese have got some 'splainin' to do.
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This ball has been fumbled numerous times. The Chinese were first, but the US has had lots of less-than-stellar moments, too.
 
think truth is that it did originate from a place in china ' they blame the fithy markets of live animals caged '
its not the first out break from that country -my self I think that it could have been caused by a lab leak ' the virus was spread world wide in a few days more than any other virus / or flu epidemic or plague/ it took just 3days to to cover the whole planet ...but just
my thoughts on it ā€¦ā€¦......ā€¦..
 
Can anyone expressing doubts as to whether this Coronavirus pandemic arrived by a mutation amongst populations of animals carrying similar Corona virus strains and moved on to humans, as has happened many times in the past, assist those of us who feel our instinct on such matters (that what we're being told by experts is the case), should be challenged in our minds because we've heard from a mate, or thought/dreamt something up one day, without any background at all in science, or epidemiology, should be given the slightest shrift by anyone?

What do they say about "Chinese whispers", (aptly named hey, though oh so serious here!)?
 
grahamg said:
Can anyone expressing doubts as to whether this Coronavirus pandemic arrived by a mutation amongst populations of animals carrying similar Corona virus strains and moved on to humans, as has happened many times in the past, assist those of us who feel our instinct on such matters (that what we're being told by experts is the case), should be challenged in our minds because we've heard from a mate, or thought/dreamt something up one day, without any background at all in science, or epidemiology, should be given the slightest shrift by anyone?

What do they say about "Chinese whispers", (aptly named hey, though oh so serious here!)?
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Ummm, what???
 
Okay then, as you asked so nicely!

I admit I cobbled it together too, but I was simply raising the issue, as to whether we should be believing something akin to "Chinese whispers"?

Rumours, or based upon more or less nothing, other than someone with no real knowledge of diseases in any academic sense, should be given any credence?

Simple enough?
 
grahamg said:
Okay then, as you asked so nicely!

I admit I cobbled it together too, but I was simply raising the issue, as to whether we should be believing something akin to "Chinese whispers"?

Rumours, or based upon more or less nothing, other than someone with no real knowledge of diseases in any academic sense, should be given any credence?

Simple enough?
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No. Don't try to be clever. Coherently express your thoughts in concrete detail. There are holes and opacity in whatever it is you're trying to say and I don't care to mind read the gaps. Spell it out clearly for us eejits. šŸ™ƒ
 
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AnnieA said:
No. Don't try to be clever. Coherently express your thoughts in concrete detail. There are holes and opacity in whatever it is you're trying to say and I don't care to mind read the gaps. Spell it out clearly for us eejits. šŸ™ƒ
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I believe some respected scientists have examined the genome of the Covid 19 virus, and published their work in respected scientific journals debunking this conspiracy theory business a month ago. If I can I'll come back to you with some names, or a link, and all the rest of us eejits can read it to our hearts content, if our minds are open enough to accept it to make it worthwhile. :cautious: .
 
If anyone can find a link the scientific authors of the report I'm referring to are Kristian Andersen of Cripps Research, along with scientists from Columbia university in New York, University of Sydney in Australia, and Tulane university in New Orleans.
 
grahamg said:
Well done counting the number of words! Stirling effort, and I'm glad to have been of service to anyone needing something to do in these days of unanticipated leisure. :) .

(I made it 93 words BTW)
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I didn't personally count them - I pasted your sentence into MS Word to see if I could break it apart and make sense of it. MS Word automatically counts the words.
 
StarSong said:
I didn't personally count them - I pasted your sentence into MS Word to see if I could break it apart and make sense of it. MS Word automatically counts the words.
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Okay, no big deal obviously, and quite funny really!

I hope I can provide a link to an article I might have mentioned earlier on the thread now:
https://www.webmd.com/lung/news/20200318/new-coronavirus-wasnt-made-in-a-lab-genomic-study-shows#2

I couldn't access it myself but maybe others can(?).

Here is a short section of the text I've found elsewhere though:
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As the pandemic spreads, rumors of nefarious plots of scientists creating SARS-CoV-2 in a lab have proliferated.
But Andersen's team believes their investigation proves otherwise. They pointed out that coronaviruses have long existed, causing illnesses of varying severity.

The first severe coronavirus-linked illness -- severe acute respiratory syndrome (SARS) -- emerged in China in 2003, while another -- Middle East respiratory syndrome (MERS) -- arose in Saudi Arabia in 2012.

While both of those epidemics died out, COVID-19 continues to spread worldwide. Early on in the pandemic, Chinese scientists mapped the genome of SARS-CoV-2 and made that data freely available to scientists worldwide.


Using that genome map, Andersen and colleagues examined the genetic template for proteins on the outside of the virus, called spike proteins. SARS-CoV-2 uses these proteins to latch onto the host cell.

Digging deeper, the researchers looked at the evolution of key components of the spike protein.

One component, called the receptor-binding domain (RBD), is a kind of "grappling hook" that SARS-CoV-2 uses to grip human cells. The RBD of the new virus is incredibly effective at binding to the cell -- so effective, in fact, that the scientists believe it could only have evolved through natural selection. "
 
Thank you, @grahamg, that was very helpful. I happen to agree with the thrust of the article.
p.s. I had no difficulty accessing the full article with the link you provided.
 

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