Demonstrators across the country violated social-distancing orders.....

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Demonstrators across the country violated social-distancing orders to call for the reopening of states and the American economy.

The rallies, like the one outside the state Capitol in Austin, Texas, above, rode a wave of similar protests this past week. On Saturday alone, people also gathered in Indianapolis, Ind.; Carson City, Nev.; Annapolis, Md.; Salt Lake City, Utah, and Brookfield, Wis.

(Anybody else besides me get the feeling they're all gonna get sick?, hmmmm)

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/18/...te=1&user_id=e9ae4162e1355a6bff71ca9014f0e473
 

I find it interesting how different people around the country are feeling about dealing with the pandemic.

I don't see any of the safety measures as a violation of my rights.

I'm also surprised that even with the enhanced unemployment benefits of an additional $600.00/week above the state benefits are still causing people to fight for a return to work.

The same with seeing miles-long lines of people waiting for a box of food. It seems to me that the fuel would be worth more than the food.

In my area, things seem to be much calmer and understanding of the steps that the government has taken to protect people.

We do have some additional food insecurity and an increase of about 4,000 families seeking food assistance but it seems to be moving quickly and quietly without long lines or disruption.

I hope that we can strike a safe balance by giving all people a chance to have what they feel they need to protect themselves and still be able to return safely to work.

I feel bad that all I can do to help is stay home and continue paying my bills.
 
Yeah they feel like its their free right to protest....moron mentality, imo....while they spread the virus onto others even more, ppfffttt.....
was reading somewhere that unemployment benefits could increase to $2,000 month to all those approved, in the future or as you stated Bea, $600 a week....thats more than I get from my SS check each month....
can't believe everything we hear and see tho.....would be great for those in desperate need at this time.....
 

Aunt Bea said:
I find it interesting how different people around the country are feeling about dealing with the pandemic.

I don't see any of the safety measures as a violation of my rights.
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There has been plenty of discussion around the Constitutionality of "quarantine" in the USA...

Georgetown University Law School's Lawrence Gostin, director of the O'Neill Institute for National and Global Health Law: "Once you start getting into what might colloquially be called an en masse quarantine or a lockdown where government will actually aggressively enforce it, then you're getting into territory that implicates the most fundamental constitutional rights and the right to freedom of movement, the right to freedom of travel."
 
PopsnTuff said:
Yeah they feel like its their free right to protest....moron mentality, imo....while they spread the virus onto others even more, ppfffttt.....
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As American citizens, it is their right, whether others agree with it or not. Thankfully we do not live in a police state and I for one do not wish to give up any of my rights. I'll keep staying in my home because I believe it is the correct thing to do, but I would not like to be forced to do so.
 
These protesters are asking for trouble, if any of them have had exposure to this virus....they could wind up "protesting" in the hospital, or morgue.

The longer this thing drags on, the more disruptive it will be to our society. Millions of job losses, millions having to depend upon the government and food banks, and the mental anguish caused by having to stay cooped up at home, is going to push a lot of people over the edge.

The only things we haven't seen yet are riots and looting....and I suspect that isn't too far down the road.
 
C'est Moi said:
There has been plenty of discussion around the Constitutionality of "quarantine" in the USA...

Georgetown University Law School's Lawrence Gostin, director of the O'Neill Institute for National and Global Health Law: "Once you start getting into what might colloquially be called an en masse quarantine or a lockdown where government will actually aggressively enforce it, then you're getting into territory that implicates the most fundamental constitutional rights and the right to freedom of movement, the right to freedom of travel."
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I get it and I don't have any problem standing up for my rights but I'm a firm believer in picking my battles.

Maybe I'm wrong but I see a big difference between standing up for my rights and just being obstinate during a crisis.

Anyway, I'm content to watch the protests on the television in the safety of my own home.
 
IMHO, the trouble with those protest gatherings is that by doing what they are doing they put other lives (and our hospital systems) at risk. I don't have a problem with their right to protest, but I DO have a problem with their alleged right to endanger others by doing so.

I also have a BIG problem with those protests which are attempting to block ambulance and other access to hospitals. I can't imagine any scenario where it's anybody's right to block ambulances and healthcare workers from getting to hospitals.

It makes me mad. Doctors and nurses are working their butts off and risking their very lives to help people stricken with this virus, and a buncha idiots are trying to block them from doing so.
 
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Here's another bunch of risk takers -
More than 2,000 people gathered at the state Capitol in Olympia, Wash., on Sunday to challenge stay-at-home orders. Elaine Thompson/Associated Press​
(Unbelievable!!!)
 
WHO boss warns worst of virus still ahead - Associated Press - Monday, April 20, 2020

GENEVA (AP) — The World Health Organization chief warned Monday that “the worst is yet ahead of us” in the coronavirus outbreak, reviving the alarm just as many countries ease restrictive measures aimed at reducing its spread.

WHO Director-General Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus didn’t specify why he believes the outbreak that has infected some 2.5 million people and killed over 166,000 could get worse. He and others, however, have previously pointed to the likely future spread of the illness through Africa, where health systems are far less developed.

“Trust us. The worst is yet ahead of us,” Tedros told reporters from WHO headquarters in Geneva. “Let’s prevent this tragedy. It’s a virus that many people still don’t understand.”

Some Asian and European governments have gradually eased or started relaxing “lockdown” measures like quarantines, school and business closures and restrictions on public gatherings, citing a decline in the growth of COVID-19 case counts and deaths.

(I left out the politics of it)
 
'It's going to backfire': Fauci says protests could prolong shutdown.....Mike Brest - Washington Examiner - Monday, April 20, 2020

Dr. Anthony Fauci, one of the leading experts in the White House's response to the coronavirus, warned demonstrations happening across the country protesting the quarantine orders will prolong the shutdown period.

Residents in at least 20 states have taken to the streets to protest their governor's stay-at-home orders, arguing that the country should start to reopen and recover from the virus. More than 21 million people have lost their jobs in the last four weeks.

Fauci, the director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, was asked about the dangers of these protests during an appearance on ABC's Good Morning America on Monday.

“I think the message is that, clearly, this is something that is hurting from the standpoint of economics, from the standpoint of things that have nothing to do with the virus,” Fauci said. “But unless we get the virus under control, the real recovery, economically, is not gonna happen.”
“If you jump the gun and go into a situation where you have a big spike, you’re gonna set yourself back,” he continued. “So as painful as it is to go by the careful guidelines of gradually phasing into a reopening, it’s going to backfire. That’s the problem.”

(I left out his interaction with the usa president)
 
Playing the devil's advocate here - I wonder how many of the protesters are in dire straits, can't feed their families, fear losing their homes and are feeling utterly hopeless. The cure is becoming worse than the curse for many.

Back to my normal views now.
Blocking medical personnel is asinine as these folks are giving everything they can to save others.

Once social distancing restrictions are lifted, good luck trying to reinforce them.

A tipping point is coming.
 
I understand their frustration of course. But you can't
expose others to something so deadly and prevent people from doing their jobs.

What if they infect their children, child endangerment?

One problem I think, there is no precedent to go by. Records from 1918 may not be readily available.
 
How quickly people forget! The second wave of the Spanish flu killed MORE people than the first wave. The observation that quarantines and lockdowns were effective was given solid evidence by the Spanish flu.

There were three waves overall:
The 1918 influenza pandemic occurred in three waves and was the most severe pandemic in history.

First wave (began March 1918 in Kansas): During 1918, the U.S. was engaged in WWI. Hundreds and thousands of U.S. soldiers traveled across the Atlantic to deploy for war. The mass troop movement contributed to the global spread of flu. The first wave wasn't that deadly; most were sick for 2-4 days but recovered. The death toll was no more than other flu strains.

Second wave: But the virus mutated. And this new strain WAS deadly. Even healthy young people who caught it, could die within 24 hrs of showing symptoms. For the first time the cytokine storm syndrome* was seen. The pandemic peaked in the U.S. during the second wave, in the fall of 1918. This highly fatal second wave was responsible for most of the U.S. deaths attributed to the pandemic. Just in the month of October 1918 alone, 195,000 people died in the U.S.
* When the immune system attacks itself [WebMD]

Third wave: Winter/Spring 1919. Accumulated toll: An estimated 1/3 of the world’s population was infected with the 1918 flu virus – resulting in at least 50 million deaths worldwide.

BTW, to this day the Spanish flu lives on. All strains of Influenza A can be traced to the Spanish flu virus.
 
PopsnTuff said:
Yeah they feel like its their free right to protest....moron mentality, imo....while they spread the virus onto others even more, ppfffttt.....
was reading somewhere that unemployment benefits could increase to $2,000 month to all those approved, in the future or as you stated Bea, $600 a week....thats more than I get from my SS check each month....
can't believe everything we hear and see tho.....would be great for those in desperate need at this time.....
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$600 a week retroactive on top of state unemployment payments makes no sense to me - I could see bringing their pay up to 100% of former wages for a while, but paying them more than they used to earn? What would motivate them to go back to work? Personally, I think the protestors are childish, selfish, and foolish. Perhaps they are also unaware of the government handouts. They should stay home and READ!
 
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