Proposal to give $2,000 per month to Americans gains traction in Senate

It is hard to talk about this without bringing politcs into it. But I just want to say that nothing is really free in life.
 

EllisT said:
It is hard to talk about this without bringing politcs into it. But I just want to say that nothing is really free in life.
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You are right!

Do you know how much it costs to adopt a white newborn child in 1986 in the US if you could find one? Several thousands of dollars even if you went the legal route, more of not. Most people could not find a white child up for adoption here and went overseas for adoption. Costing even more thousands of dollars.

My disabled sons adoption cost 50 dollars, total. You do the math on how much the government thinks they are worth.
 
EllisT said:
It is hard to talk about this without bringing politcs into it. But I just want to say that nothing is really free in life.
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You are right of course but since social programs were begun JFK's famous speech seems to me has been distorted to read .

Ask not what you can do for your country but what your country can do for you.
 

Aneeda72 said:
I like it that you disagree with me or question me often. That’s one of the things I like about Keesha as well. It makes me think harder about if I still agree with what I wrote. I usually do but sometimes I don’t. Since I am human, I can be wrong and don’t mind admitting it. I can misstate what I meant to say.

But I do not understand why certain people, take other people’s comments personally. I see that all the time on the posts, and not just with me. These are just opinions, and others are just responding with their opinions. If someone seriously objects to someone else opinion, most of the time, then why not put that person on ignore?

In any event, 🧐 my comment stands.
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I beg your pardon, but you challenged my comment so I responded. I take nothing on a public forum personally so don't project your feelings onto me; I really don't care what you think. I am capable of making my own assessments, thanks.
 
Aneeda72 said:
I expect my son and anyone’s son or daughter, any human being in the US to receive enough food to never be hungry-that is what I expect. Yes, millions in the US enjoy what is here and millions don’t. There is enough for everyone to have enough, but it is not equal. We, the people, should not pretend it is.

The thing is, I wasn’t born in a mud hut, I was born here. “My people” came very early on. My family has fought for the US in every single war to preserve this way of life including the war of independence. My grandmother received a civil war pension. My uncle was at Pearl Harbor. My step father at the concentration camps.

My government can be appreciative of me and my families sacrifices throughout history.

I saved the government hundreds of thousands of dollars by adopting my disabled boys, the least the government can do is feed them now that they are adults and I am on the downside of my life. I can not die secure in the knowledge that they will be properly cared for, they won’t be.

This is the tragedy of the United States of America. It is not as advertised. The streets, after all, are not paved in gold. Stepping down off the soap box, 😂.
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Having no personal experience in this arena, I'm assuming your son's rent, utilities, care giver hours, and medical expenses are paid. And also that he receives a monthly disability check. Is that correct?
 
StarSong said:
Having no personal experience in this arena, I'm assuming your son's rent, utilities, care giver hours, and medical expenses are paid. And also that he receives a monthly disability check. Is that correct?
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Nope, it’s not. His biggest expense is rent and that takes about half of his disability check, he pays his rent, not personally staff does it for him. He also gets a small, I forget what it’s called, grant for rent. But that grant doesn‘t come every month. It’s there every month but the actual money can come every 3rd month or every 6th month.

But the organization rents a house, just like you might rent a house and then subrent it to tenants. The rent is paid by the clients and must be paid every month. The disabled clients can not rent their own place as they could not be held legally responsible for any contract.

The clients pay for all their utilities, lawn care, etc. just like you and I pay our expenses out of our checks. They split the bills. Food bought with food stamps cannot be shared. Medical care is usually provided by the state Medicaid until the parents start collecting SS, then they get Medicare, and depending on income, Medicaid as well.

Various organizations provide care which is paid for by through the state, the federal, and other resources. I have little understanding about the funding. He pays 3 for doctor visits, I have no ideal how much for a dentist, but he never gets pain shots for dental work. 😫 I imagine they are too expensive and he refuses them.

Although we would pay but would not be allowed due to certain rules. Which is why we have to set up a food bank in the home for everyone not just the guys, to stay within the rules. If a vacuum breaks down, one person has to buy it. So, when our son joined the group home, we bought pots, pans, kitchen appliances and donated them.

Since my husband work hours got cut, it’s very hard to support us and help them. He can never retire, good thing he does not want to. They pay for their medicine. I don’t know how much. As was said, nothing is free. This is how it works for all the disabled in our state.
 
C'est Moi said:
I beg your pardon, but you challenged my comment so I responded. I take nothing on a public forum personally so don't project your feelings onto me; I really don't care what you think. I am capable of making my own assessments, thanks.
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You are welcome.
 
Knight said:
You are right of course but since social programs were begun JFK's famous speech seems to me has been distorted to read .

Ask not what you can do for your country but what your country can do for you.
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Just curious, what would you expect my totally disabled son to do? He cannot read, write, walk, use his hands to bring a drink to his mouth, and he’s in a diaper. His mother gave birth to him, and got up and left the hospital, leaving him behind.

Born weighting 2 pounds, he had a grade 4 brain bleed. What would you like him to do for his country? Hmm, I should start a thread entitled ”what have you done for your country“ cause a whole lot of people have done very little.
 
Aneeda72 said:
Just curious, what would you expect my totally disabled son to do? He cannot read, write, walk, use his hands to bring a drink to his mouth, and he’s in a diaper. His mother gave birth to him, and got up and left the hospital, leaving him behind.

Born weighting 2 pounds, he had a grade 4 brain bleed. What would you like him to do for his country? Hmm, I should start a thread entitled ”what have you done for your country“ cause a whole lot of people have done very little.
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You began by "Yup, my son, who lives in a group home, gets an overwhelming 168 dollars a MONTH in food stamps. WOW, let’s hear it for the government! "

Then you posted all the help he gets in post #106.
I expect the government to do what they are doing sustaining your sons life. What you don't seem to understand is that with stimulus money taking away from the ability to pay debt & increasing the deficit the ability of government to continue helping people like your son could be severely jeopardized.

The JFK distortion is about the people you mentioned that are lining up in Cadillacs for free food.
 
Knight said:
You began by "Yup, my son, who lives in a group home, gets an overwhelming 168 dollars a MONTH in food stamps. WOW, let’s hear it for the government! "

Then you posted all the help he gets in post #106.
I expect the government to do what they are doing sustaining your sons life. What you don't seem to understand is that with stimulus money taking away from the ability to pay debt & increasing the deficit the ability of government to continue helping people like your son could be severely jeopardized.

The JFK distortion is about the people you mentioned that are lining up in Cadillacs for free food.
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I don’t think I said Cadillac, but they are lining up for free food. I mentioned in another post that a neighbor of mine went and took free food from the school for his family and his mother’s household although none of them have school age children, and they can afford to buy food. Which fits the distortion you are talking about.

I am simply saying try buying enough food for the month with 168 dollars. I am simply saying no one in this country should go hungry. But lots do. We, the people, can not accept this, ever.
 
Aneeda72 said:
Nope, it’s not. His biggest expense is rent and that takes about half of his disability check, he pays his rent, not personally staff does it for him. He also gets a small, I forget what it’s called, grant for rent. But that grant doesn‘t come every month. It’s there every month but the actual money can come every 3rd month or every 6th month.

But the organization rents a house, just like you might rent a house and then subrent it to tenants. The rent is paid by the clients and must be paid every month. The disabled clients can not rent their own place as they could not be held legally responsible for any contract.

The clients pay for all their utilities, lawn care, etc. just like you and I pay our expenses out of our checks. They split the bills. Food bought with food stamps cannot be shared. Medical care is usually provided by the state Medicaid until the parents start collecting SS, then they get Medicare, and depending on income, Medicaid as well.

Various organizations provide care which is paid for by through the state, the federal, and other resources. I have little understanding about the funding. He pays 3 for doctor visits, I have no ideal how much for a dentist, but he never gets pain shots for dental work. 😫 I imagine they are too expensive and he refuses them.

Although we would pay but would not be allowed due to certain rules. Which is why we have to set up a food bank in the home for everyone not just the guys, to stay within the rules. If a vacuum breaks down, one person has to buy it. So, when our son joined the group home, we bought pots, pans, kitchen appliances and donated them.

Since my husband work hours got cut, it’s very hard to support us and help them. He can never retire, good thing he does not want to. They pay for their medicine. I don’t know how much. As was said, nothing is free. This is how it works for all the disabled in our state.
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Thank you for clarifying. Since you ended with "This is how it works for all the disabled in our state", I'm guessing some of this varies from state to state.

My understanding of food stamps is that they are not intended to fully cover the recipient's entire food budget, but rather to assist people in paying for their food. Part of his disability check is likely expected to cover general expenses, food included.

p.s. Are you sure that your son isn't declining Novocaine? I cannot imagine any modern dentists being so heartless that they'd work on a patient with a very low mental capacity and not offer pain relief. Perhaps he's getting the shots but nevertheless finds the process difficult. Or perhaps it's time for a new dentist.
 
Haven't read all the thoughts on this

But

The economy is a tricky thing

Banks need money flow
Congress needs the taxes on everything purchased
Folks need to pay their bills

It's not a handout
It's stimulous
A desperate action, for sure
A sure fire way to pump up the inflation rate
But, the alternatives are probably deemed worse
IMO, that's short sighted

My thoughts?
No stimulous
Like a wild fire in the forest, it's a correction, something that needs to happen
Trees will grow back

Virus or not
We've been riding on confidence for way too long
Staving off the inevitable with bandaids

China is no different
They WANT the US and other countries to do well
We have been their customers

It's a bit of a merry go round

It'll be interesting how this all washes out
Doubt I'll see things the way they were just a few months ago
Hate the thought of paying $500usd for a bag of groceries
 
Gary O' said:
Haven't read all the thoughts on this

But

The economy is a tricky thing

Banks need money flow
Congress needs the taxes on everything purchased
Folks need to pay their bills

It's not a handout
It's stimulous
A desperate action, for sure
A sure fire way to pump up the inflation rate
But, the alternatives are probably deemed worse
IMO, that's short sighted

My thoughts?
No stimulous
Like a wild fire in the forest, it's a correction, something that needs to happen
Trees will grow back

Virus or not
We've been riding on confidence for way too long
Staving off the inevitable with bandaids

China is no different
They WANT the US and other countries to do well
We have been their customers

It's a bit of a merry go round

It'll be interesting how this all washes out
Doubt I'll see things the way they were just a few months ago
Hate the thought of paying $500usd for a bag of groceries
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Couldn't have said it better! How I wish the fire in the forest would have been allowed to burn.
 
StarSong said:
Thank you for clarifying. Since you ended with "This is how it works for all the disabled in our state", I'm guessing some of this varies from state to state.

My understanding of food stamps is that they are not intended to fully cover the recipient's entire food budget, but rather to assist people in paying for their food. Part of his disability check is likely expected to cover general expenses, food included.

p.s. Are you sure that your son isn't declining Novocaine? I cannot imagine any modern dentists being so heartless that they'd work on a patient with a very low mental capacity and not offer pain relief. Perhaps he's getting the shots but nevertheless finds the process difficult. Or perhaps it's time for a new dentist.
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He does decline the shots, I am not sure of the reason. He seems unable to explain. But I remember my mother, when I was a child, refusing to pay for shots at the dentist due to the money. I could be projecting her reason onto him.

As for the food stamps, he has no extra money. He is usually in the hole every month which is why we let him work. He got about 100 extra a month which helped him a lot. But now the place he works is closed. At the end of the year, if he is in the hole and usually he is by 500, we pay.

It is just becoming harder and harder for us to do so. Our other son is in a different type of group home, they share food and don’t get food stamps, and there are more of them. He never has these problems.
 
Gary O' said:
Haven't read all the thoughts on this

But

The economy is a tricky thing

Banks need money flow
Congress needs the taxes on everything purchased
Folks need to pay their bills

It's not a handout
It's stimulous
A desperate action, for sure
A sure fire way to pump up the inflation rate
But, the alternatives are probably deemed worse
IMO, that's short sighted

My thoughts?
No stimulous
Like a wild fire in the forest, it's a correction, something that needs to happen
Trees will grow back

Virus or not
We've been riding on confidence for way too long
Staving off the inevitable with bandaids

China is no different
They WANT the US and other countries to do well
We have been their customers

It's a bit of a merry go round

It'll be interesting how this all washes out
Doubt I'll see things the way they were just a few months ago
Hate the thought of paying $500usd for a bag of groceries
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I think some people call it a handout to try and attach some sort of shame to it. I don’t care what anyone else calls it, I call it money 🤣. And I agree, the world economy is due for a reset. As for China, as I understand it, they are heavily invested in the US so I doubt they want us to fail.
 
Aneeda72 said:
I think some people call it a handout to try and attach some sort of shame to it. I don’t care what anyone else calls it, I call it money 🤣. And I agree, the world economy is due for a reset. As for China, as I understand it, they are heavily invested in the US so I doubt they want us to fail.
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"I think some people call it a handout to try and attach some sort of shame to it. "

It is a hand out.
 
oldmontana said:
"I think some people call it a handout to try and attach some sort of shame to it. "

It is a hand out.
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Whatever you want to call it, as I already said, is fine with me. If you don’t want your “hand out“, please give it to someone you know who does. I would prefer a disabled person, but whoever. Or you can donate it back to the government. Or you could just keep ragging on about it. I couldn’t care less.
 
Small business stimulus... what could go wrong??? :rolleyes: LINK

Maurice “Mo” Fayne, who’s appeared on Love and Hip Hop: Atlanta, has been arrested for allegedly misusing millions intended to help small businesses struggling during the coronavirus pandemic.

Authorities said that, on April 15, Fayne applied for a loan of $2,045,800 for his Georgia corporation, Flame Trucking, through the Paycheck Protection Program intended to stabilize the cratering economy. “Within days” of receiving money for his company, “Fayne allegedly used more than $1.5 million of the PPP loan proceeds to purchase $85,000 in jewelry, including a Rolex Presidential watch, a diamond bracelet, a 5.73 carat diamond ring for himself, and to pay $40,000 for child support,” the news release read.

Fayne is officially accused of bank fraud, and he made an initial appearance in court Wednesday.
Federal agents searched the reality star’s home Monday and found the jewelry he allegedly bought with money from the loan, as well as approximately $80,000 in cash (including $9,400 in his pockets) and a 2019 Rolls-Royce Wraith with a temporary tag still on it. They seized $503,000 in the funds from his bank accounts.

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Your tax dollars at work, folks. Makes you feel all warm and fuzzy, doesn't it?
 
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C'est Moi said:
Small business stimulus... what could go wrong??? :rolleyes:

LINK

Maurice “Mo” Fayne, who’s appeared on Love and Hip Hop: Atlanta, has been arrested for allegedly misusing millions intended to help small businesses struggling during the coronavirus pandemic.

Fayne, 37, of Dacula, Ga., was arrested Wednesday, according to a news release from the Department of Justice. Authorities said that, on April 15, Fayne applied for a loan of $2,045,800 for his Georgia corporation, Flame Trucking, through the Paycheck Protection Program intended to stabilize the cratering economy.

“Within days” of receiving money for his company, “Fayne allegedly used more than $1.5 million of the PPP loan proceeds to purchase $85,000 in jewelry, including a Rolex Presidential watch, a diamond bracelet, a 5.73 carat diamond ring for himself, and to pay $40,000 for child support,” the news release read.

Fayne is officially accused of bank fraud, and he made an initial appearance in court Wednesday.
Federal agents searched the reality star’s home Monday and found the jewelry he allegedly bought with money from the loan, as well as approximately $80,000 in cash (including $9,400 in his pockets) and a 2019 Rolls-Royce Wraith with a temporary tag still on it. They seized $503,000 in the funds from his bank accounts.

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Your tax dollars at work, folks. Makes you feel all warm and fuzzy, doesn't it?
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"Don't hate the player; change the game." - Steve Harvey

 
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C'est Moi said:
Small business stimulus... what could go wrong??? :rolleyes:

LINK

Maurice “Mo” Fayne, who’s appeared on Love and Hip Hop: Atlanta, has been arrested for allegedly misusing millions intended to help small businesses struggling during the coronavirus pandemic.

Fayne, 37, of Dacula, Ga., was arrested Wednesday, according to a news release from the Department of Justice. Authorities said that, on April 15, Fayne applied for a loan of $2,045,800 for his Georgia corporation, Flame Trucking, through the Paycheck Protection Program intended to stabilize the cratering economy.

“Within days” of receiving money for his company, “Fayne allegedly used more than $1.5 million of the PPP loan proceeds to purchase $85,000 in jewelry, including a Rolex Presidential watch, a diamond bracelet, a 5.73 carat diamond ring for himself, and to pay $40,000 for child support,” the news release read.

Fayne is officially accused of bank fraud, and he made an initial appearance in court Wednesday.
Federal agents searched the reality star’s home Monday and found the jewelry he allegedly bought with money from the loan, as well as approximately $80,000 in cash (including $9,400 in his pockets) and a 2019 Rolls-Royce Wraith with a temporary tag still on it. They seized $503,000 in the funds from his bank accounts.

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Your tax dollars at work, folks. Makes you feel all warm and fuzzy, doesn't it?
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