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electrons are not particles they are waves, (Heisenberg uncertainty principle), they quantized so that each as a quantum of energy and act as a particle (Linus Pauling).
 

Davey Jones said:
re:And let's face it, doesn't matter in the end who's right and who's wrong because we all wind up the same place.


Same place? where's that?
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Well this NASA physicist whose books I'm reading right now says the evidence points to a quantum field of wave possibilities as being 'home'. And that we are individuations of that concious quantum field and when these bodies die, the real you, the real 'we' return or re-enter that field. In a nutshell, I think that is what his opinion is. Further, he thinks that just as our world evolved, so too is consciousness evolving. It is growing and changing and we are the 'experience gatherers' that it has sent out from itself to aid in the process of evolution. Our evolution as individuals and as cultures is its evolution except where we are only able to learn from our own personal experience, it has the benefit of billions of lives of experience and growth because when we are done, we all return to it.

Youtube has so many great videos too with discussions between phycisists where they are talking about atoms and the double slit experiment and the possible nature of reality being virtual and so many interesting things! You just have to be willing to be open minded. One of the things I like about Tom Campbell is that throughout his books he repeatedly tells the reader to always be skeptical and consider only what the evidence supports.
 
Just let's all hold on a sec! My zoology prof told us that atoms and molecules are things that we can't see. He spent a whole hour lecturing about atoms and molecules. At the end of class that day he said our assignment for the next day was to draw atoms and molecules. I turned in a sheet of white paper with name/course number/date, all neatly printed at the top right-hand corner, as required.

Prof didn't ask why the paper was blank, but he "suggest" that I drop the class until the next semester so that I wouldn't hold my lab partner back.
 

GeorgiaXplant said:
Just let's all hold on a sec! My zoology prof told us that atoms and molecules are things that we can't see. He spent a whole hour lecturing about atoms and molecules. At the end of class that day he said our assignment for the next day was to draw atoms and molecules. I turned in a sheet of white paper with name/course number/date, all neatly printed at the top right-hand corner, as required.

Prof didn't ask why the paper was blank, but he "suggest" that I drop the class until the next semester so that I wouldn't hold my lab partner back.
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That reminded me of the story of the little girl, Alice drawing on a sheet of paper, and her Mom asked her what she was drawing. She said "God". Her mother explained that "No one knows what God looks like honey". She replied "Well, they'll know, when I am finished"!:)
 
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rt3 said:
the organizational constant in the universe is called "self organizational criticality", it forms one of the fields of mathematics called catastrophe theory developed by Thom. it is why crystals organize, ants build bridges , etc. it forms the basis of reason streams flow down their beds in certain patterns. ancient pyramids all around the world were built on the principle that the ht. was .66 the size of the base (condensing a lot here). which is the same reason a small stream of sand will build a cone until this ratio is met, then will collapse, or the rocks on a mountain will avalanche, and why pyrimids look like mtns. and the reverse.

look up a book written by David Hofstader, , "Gödel, Escher and Bach"
look up material written by Lorenz, " the flap of a butterflys wings in India changes the weather in China" (approx.),
google Ergodic theory although this needs a math backround
and if you are interested in Neuronal response and model go to Christof Koch website on the internet
if you are interested in collective conscious stuff, get Joseph Campbell's, "Heros of a Thousand Faces" and "Mask of the Gods"

there has been only two break thrus in science in the last 1000 years. Newton's laws, (which were really done by is mentor Wallis, and Archmedies) and Chaos theory.
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Well I am very impressed. You sound like you understand what you're talking about. I did look up that catastrophe theory and I can't say that I understood the connection to the chat about consciousness and are we real. But, that's not to say there isn't and I just don't have enough information to fill in the blanks. I read a short bio on Joseph Campbell and he sounds like a pretty interesting fellow.
 
GeorgiaXplant said:
Just let's all hold on a sec! My zoology prof told us that atoms and molecules are things that we can't see. He spent a whole hour lecturing about atoms and molecules. At the end of class that day he said our assignment for the next day was to draw atoms and molecules. I turned in a sheet of white paper with name/course number/date, all neatly printed at the top right-hand corner, as required.

Prof didn't ask why the paper was blank, but he "suggest" that I drop the class until the next semester so that I wouldn't hold my lab partner back.
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There's a smart-pants in every class. I think we know who that was in your class. Good one Georgia.
 
GeorgiaXplant said:
I didn't finish college; it was the math and science that did me in.
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I barely scraped through high school and it was the math and science that did me in there too. I think math was the worst. But while my math teacher was a total yawn, the science teacher in my high school was a horrible man. I was so terrified of him, I can even remember his name. Mr. Dalarack, tall, thin, severe and with never a kind word for anyone. And the students were damned if they didn't try and damned if they had the gall to ask him for help!

But here I am, an old lady who is trying to understand things that fear of him kept me from even caring about. Personally I think what I cared about most at that point was getting out of ever seeing that man again!
 
and the white knight talking backward, remember what the doorman said, Feed your head.

really few scientific discoveries are found thru the methodology of science
as an example , PCR (polymerase chain reaction) was developed by an instructor eating an ice cream cone. (genetic transcription) Jung would label this a "serendipity" to quantum realities colliding to form a new zipper in the curtain.

look up Ferabenyds book "Farewell to Reason" and Potter's works on what science really is

electrons and atoms are what they are because of their "attributes" as we are composed of them biological stuff reflects the same.
 
the Alice, also fell through a rabbit hole, had a mad hatter friend. Catastrophe theory is exactly what Lewis Carroll was talking about in "Alice in Wonderland", It is exactly what Picasso pictures are all about. , It is exacly what Picasso and Thom talked about in a train station in Spain on day. It is exactly the breakdown of a Canon by Bach, and is exactly the rip in the quantum curtain known as "de ja vue".
 
rt3 said:
the Alice, also fell through a rabbit hole, had a mad hatter friend. Catastrophe theory is exactly what Lewis Carroll was talking about in "Alice in Wonderland", It is exactly what Picasso pictures are all about. , It is exacly what Picasso and Thom talked about in a train station in Spain on day. It is exactly the breakdown of a Canon by Bach, and is exactly the rip in the quantum curtain known as "de ja vue".
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rt3 said:
and the white knight talking backward, remember what the doorman said, Feed your head.

really few scientific discoveries are found thru the methodology of science
as an example , PCR (polymerase chain reaction) was developed by an instructor eating an ice cream cone. (genetic transcription) Jung would label this a "serendipity" to quantum realities colliding to form a new zipper in the curtain.

look up Ferabenyds book "Farewell to Reason" and Potter's works on what science really is

electrons and atoms are what they are because of their "attributes" as we are composed of them biological stuff reflects the same.
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I'm sorry rt3, but you are going to have to dumb it down a bit for those of us who are interested in these kinds of subjects but don't have a head for science. I'd be interested to hear what your credentials are in this field.

And by the way, did you know that the 'scientific method' was first developed by a Muslim scientist named Ibn al-Haytham around the year 1000? I was reading about that just this morning. http://lostislamichistory.com/5-muslim-inventions-that-changed-the-world/ The author of the website got his degree at the University of Illinois in Chicago and there are some really interesting pages on that website. One that I thought was quite interesting was the essay on Columbus not being the first to discover the America's. But that's a topic for another thread some other time isn't it?



"......Working in the imperial city of Cairo in the early 1000s, Ibn al-Haytham was one of the greatest scientists of all time. To regulate scientific advancements, he developed the scientific method, the basic process by which all scientific research is conducted........."
 
yes and there were many great thinkers, from other countries, Russians, Indians, but it is beside the point, which is that some of the best and most important thoughts were not done by scientists or science methodology.

Besides a medical backround and degrees, lic. , it includes post-doctorate work in Applied Mathematics in a field called non-linear dynamics. The official math title is Bifurcations. Some of the "discoveries" and areas of research have only come about recently because of the ability to test the concepts on very large computers. None the less, thinkers throughout history have sought to express these concepts thru writing, art work, theosophical works etc. The occult, alchemy, etc. are all reflections of these.
This is also incidental, because the statements were made by other thinkers of which I have supplied the names and their works and simply paraphrasing.

It is too far beyond the ability of this writer to condense 15 yrs. of research on the topic in a forum. One must divorce themselves of everyday meanings of such words as catastrophe in the context of good or bad---it just exists.

Math and science taught today in higher education is a joke. Its sole purpose to move people thru in order to provide a work force for the technical sector.
The importance placed on Euclidian geometry, and distributive algebras in primary education is simply to make sure carpenters can read tape measures, and measure cupfuls.
Higher maths start at Discrete Mathematics and Combinatorics (Calculus is not higher math) and are the terms "normal" people generally think with on a daily basis and come naturally, yet these are over looked at the secondary education level.

Most first early settlements in the Western hemisphere were done by Polynesians. (on the history channel).


scientific achievement cannot be regulated, do not confuse technology and science, they are not the same.
 

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