Good ole days without internet and cable.....

[Irwin]

I love being able to look at people's reviews of products on the internet before I buy something. Manufacturers are no longer able to sell crap and get away with it. Restaurants and stores are no longer able to remain in business when they treat their customers like crap or rip them off.

 

[Aneeda72]

I hate cell phones not because of what they are rather, because people worship them and cannot walk or blink without them. I often wonder what family life is like now. Do the kids come home and run to the bedrooms to go online with their computers and play with their phones? Then come out for dinner then retreat back to their "tech" bedrooms never talking to their parents who are eating with one hand and holding their phones with the other?

How nice that would be, kids who run to their bedrooms, to use computers etc. and never talk to their parents. Instead of kids that run into the house, drop their backpacks on the floor, and, while running out the door, yell I’m going to whoever’s house they are going to.

Wait. Where? If they don’t show for dinner, the parent starts the call list, locating the little darlings, getting them home for dinner, homework, lectures, chores, baths etc. Saturday is for activity. Talking happens on Sundays. What world do you live in?

 

[katlupe]

I think it is up to the parents and how much time on the phones or computers they let the kids have. My mother worked so my brother and I would come home from school to an empty house. Did it hurt us? Nope. We changed our clothes, had a snack and went outside to play. We did not even think about turning on the television. We wanted to be outside. Our family did things together on the week-ends. Like spending the day fishing, boating and swimming since we lived in FL then. We did not go to tourist attractions or get restaurant food. My mom always packed a picnic.

My BF's great-grandson is in kindergarten and he has been using a tablet and cellphones his whole life. He is very fast on it and can do all sorts of things. At a family party this year, there were a lot of children and not one was on a phone. They were playing games together including some of the adults in the yard. Screaming, yelling, being kids and having a great time. Later some of the adults were having a paintball battle. You have to put out an effort to do other things with them instead of just telling them to go outside and play. His great-granddaughter is now joining her father and him racing radio controlled cars and she is only 12.

I would not want to give up technology. Especially now since I can't go a lot of places or see people in person so much. It would be boring if I did not have a computer. I don't care about the phone so much.

 

[Aunt Marg]

I hate cell phones not because of what they are rather, because people worship them and cannot walk or blink without them. I often wonder what family life is like now. Do the kids come home and run to the bedrooms to go online with their computers and play with their phones? Then come out for dinner then retreat back to their "tech" bedrooms never talking to their parents who are eating with one hand and holding their phones with the other?

Well put.

If it's any indication on what I have observed in the past at restaurants, where entire family units are seated and not a word is spoken between any of them, because they all have their noses stuck in their cell phones, or how I have had to brake for pedestrians crossing streets, because they had their noses stuck in their cell phones and were oblivious to the world around them, then I'm guessing the same holds true in their homes.

The one that infuriates me to the nth, is sitting at a stop light and looking over at the vehicle next to you and seeing someone on their cell phone. There should be a snitch line for such.

 

[tbeltrans]

I hate cell phones not because of what they are rather, because people worship them and cannot walk or blink without them. I often wonder what family life is like now. Do the kids come home and run to the bedrooms to go online with their computers and play with their phones? Then come out for dinner then retreat back to their "tech" bedrooms never talking to their parents who are eating with one hand and holding their phones with the other?

Agreed. It isn't the technology itself, so much as how people choose to use (or abuse it) that can create the issues being discussed.

Not related to the poster I quoted, but instead to the idea of the good old days...

My theory about nostalgia is that it is because we know what happened in the end, since we survived and are still here to look back on those days. What we don't like, and are uncomfortable with, is not knowing what will happen, and that is what living is, whether we like it or not. I don't know who is going to win the upcoming election, or what the winner will do. I don't know if the economy is going to recover once medical science addresses COVID-19 and we can finally come out from hiding. But then, I don't know if that will even happen at all. It is only looking back at a time that we already know the ending of, that we can relax and look for the good in it.

I am grateful that I was not an adult in the 1960s because I can easily understand now what it looked like to adults back then. The music was an assault on the ears of those accustomed to listening to skilled musicians. There was the generation of their kids actively revolting in the streets and tearing down all the social structures of the society our parents knew. There was the war between the government and the people over Vietnam. There were uprisings from all manner of groups, the women's movement, civil rights, the gay liberation, etc. etc. All the "rules" were changing and the result was a sea of change so big that nothing was moored in the past that our parents grew up in.

At least with WWII, the nation was largely involved in the effort together, both those in combat and at home. All wars since have only involved a relatively small portion of the nation and have been the subject of division at home. We are still going through a huge sea of change and don't have benefit of social moorings that we all agree on to provide any modicum of stability because all of that was torn down in the 1960s and was never replaced with something newer/better at all.

If we look at the course of human history, all of what I describe is nothing new. The difference is that we are living through it, rather than reading about it in a history book from a safe distance. As has always happened between generations, there are those who, 20 years from now, will look on the current times with some sort of nostalgia as the "good old days" in the face of whatever changes are occurring then. It is an ever-repeating cycle that is human nature.

Tony

 

[Chet]

In the past we were connected to the world around us, that being the world "immediately" around us like community, friends and family. Social media and TV throw in our faces crap that matters little if anything at all to you and I don't care what people I don't know are doing. I don't want a smart phone just a phone that is a phone like my flip phone.

 

[hellomimi]

I'm one of those not attached to their cellphones. I've left my cellphone at home a couple of times and realized I didn't even miss it. The one's who were texting and/or calling me were vexed. With this said, though I have to go back to keeping a directory of important phone numbers, I'll thrive without cellphones.

 

[ClassicRockr]

Well, first of all, those "good old days" of the family "thing" of Leave It To Beaver and The Nelson's are long gone. Actually, that was TV, not so much of real life.

Today, there are moms and dads that take their career very, very seriously and have to "put in the hours" to support the lifestyle the family has. If the father can do it, the mother can stay at home with kid/kids. But, that definitely takes the father's income to do that. In the tv show, Undercover Boss, it is well noted just how many hours a week an Executive or Boss has to work. There are those that leave for work before the family even gets up and gets home when the family is already in bed.

Then, there are those that only work a 7AM to 3:30PM or 8AM to 6PM job, are home every night, with weekends off.

As far as the computer goes, wife and I absolutely LOVE ours. The computer sure made our jobs much, much easier. Hers in Accounting/Finance and mine in Purchasing/Inventory Management. We both had to do our jobs on a typewriter and books years ago. No computers when I was in the Navy during Vietnam.

Cell phones.........sure beats the heck out of looking for a payphone and hoping to have the correct change to make the call. Then, needing a stack of quarters to make a long-distance call. Having to pull off of a freeway or highway to make a call. No thanks!

 

[tbeltrans]

I remember my dad commenting that those TV shows back then often had various nuances that would be lost on kids but were intended for adults. I think "Leave It To Beaver" was one of those. That phrase that June (?) used to say to Ward "Don't be too hard on the Beaver" was a case in point. Completely different meaning as an adult than as an innocent kid. I do believe such lines were intentional and the writers probably got a big kick out of getting such lines past the censors.

Tony

 

[Aneeda72]

Agreed. It isn't the technology itself, so much as how people choose to use (or abuse it) that can create the issues being discussed.

Not related to the poster I quoted, but instead to the idea of the good old days...

My theory about nostalgia is that it is because we know what happened in the end, since we survived and are still here to look back on those days. What we don't like, and are uncomfortable with, is not knowing what will happen, and that is what living is, whether we like it or not. I don't know who is going to win the upcoming election, or what the winner will do. I don't know if the economy is going to recover once medical science addresses COVID-19 and we can finally come out from hiding. But then, I don't know if that will even happen at all. It is only looking back at a time that we already know the ending of, that we can relax and look for the good in it.

I am grateful that I was not an adult in the 1960s because I can easily understand now what it looked like to adults back then. The music was an assault on the ears of those accustomed to listening to skilled musicians. There was the generation of their kids actively revolting in the streets and tearing down all the social structures of the society our parents knew. There was the war between the government and the people over Vietnam. There were uprisings from all manner of groups, the women's movement, civil rights, the gay liberation, etc. etc. All the "rules" were changing and the result was a sea of change so big that nothing was moored in the past that our parents grew up in.

At least with WWII, the nation was largely involved in the effort together, both those in combat and at home. All wars since have only involved a relatively small portion of the nation and have been the subject of division at home. We are still going through a huge sea of change and don't have benefit of social moorings that we all agree on to provide any modicum of stability because all of that was torn down in the 1960s and was never replaced with something newer/better at all.

If we look at the course of human history, all of what I describe is nothing new. The difference is that we are living through it, rather than reading about it in a history book from a safe distance. As has always happened between generations, there are those who, 20 years from now, will look on the current times with some sort of nostalgia as the "good old days" in the face of whatever changes are occurring then. It is an ever-repeating cycle that is human nature.

Tony

Again it seems like people either don’t know history or are trying to rewrite what happened. While I’ve forgotten more than I remember, I remember WWII as being filled with “concentration camps” in the US for our Japanese citizens. Those citizens lost their properties, their businesses, and some their lives. I don’t believe they were compensated for any of it.

We did not willingly join the fight against the Germans until Pear Harbor, or thereabouts. We let, yes let, the Jewish race be slaughtered, in mass by our late entrance into the war. Then refused a lot of the Jewish people entrance in our country. But we did willingly take in Nazi war criminals after the war and hid them.

I could go on. But I won’t. You can google all of this. But pull together? Nope, we didn’t pull together during WWII. We were, as Americans always are, pulling for our own best interest, doing extremely shameful things, and worried about the almighty dollar.

 

[tbeltrans]

Again it seems like people either don’t know history or are trying to rewrite what happened. While I’ve forgotten more than I remember, I remember WWII as being filled with “concentration camps” in the US for our Japanese citizens. Those citizens lost their properties, their businesses, and some their lives. I don’t believe they were compensated for any of it.

We did not willingly join the fight against the Germans until Pear Harbor, or thereabouts. We let, yes let, the Jewish race be slaughtered, in mass by our late entrance into the war. Then refused a lot of the Jewish people entrance in our country. But we did willingly take in Nazi war criminals after the war and hid them.

I could go on. But I won’t. You can google all of this. But pull together? Nope, we didn’t pull together during WWII. We were, as Americans always are, pulling for our own best interest, doing extremely shameful things, and worried about the almighty dollar.

I was not trying to rewrite history and I do know history, so please just stop with that and say what you have to say. In short, let's respect each other and not make negative assumptions. I have seen other folks do this from time to time (not to me as this poster did), but whenever people pull this sort of stunt in a forum, it never goes well. Why not just read the post and possibly ASK the quoted poster what his or her intentions were and THEN proceed to respond, in short just be kind to one another and seek to understand rather than judge.

My intention was not to write the history of WWII. Such a post would be far too large to place here. What I did intend was to highlight that very small aspect that fit in with my points. None of what I said was wrong, but I suppose by some stretch you could say I was "lying by omission" IF you didn't read the rest of my post and comprehend the point I was making (context).

I am sorry to see this sort of thing here because I thought (hoped) this forum was different from what I have seen elsewhere. I dropped out of other forums I have been in, and will certainly do so here if this is how folks are treated. I am at an age in which I can choose what I want in my life, and this is certainly not it.

Edit: You can also google and find that America did also pull together, with many volunteering for the military, women working in the factories, many people volunteering their time at home for the war effort. In short, there were many things going on in the country at the time, enough to encompass what both of us have commented on here. So I am not saying that you and those who liked your post are wrong, but am only asking for more discussion and less assuming. I think such discussion would be far more interesting and productive than blasting away at each other. Please remember that there is always more than one way to look at most anything. We each simply took different pieces of the subject, you to attack me, and me to illustrate a point.

Tony

 

[Lewkat]

I grew up in the 30s and 40s and was an adult by the mid 50s. Life was simpler, but during WWII we had air raids or black outs as we called them. Little did the average person know that the Germans could did not have the air power to reach our shores. And that was cut off in the Pacific once Pearl Harbor was attacked. I could as a young girl go anywhere I liked safely since there were so many service men around, no one dared touch me. I certainly knew what was going on in the world as my father was insistent that I pay attention to the news via papers and radio. Plus, every time we went to see a movie, a news reel was shown before the feature. Our play time was ours and no adults interfered which was as it should be. It was a good time and even young adulthood was just fine.

 

[tbeltrans]

I grew up in the 30s and 40s and was an adult by the mid 50s. Life was simpler, but during WWII we had air raids or black outs as we called them. Little did the average person know that the Germans could did not have the air power to reach our shores. And that was cut off in the Pacific once Pearl Harbor was attacked. I could as a young girl go anywhere I liked safely since there were so many service men around, no one dared touch me. I certainly knew what was going on in the world as my father was insistent that I pay attention to the news via papers and radio. Plus, every time we went to see a movie, a news reel was shown before the feature. Our play time was ours and no adults interfered which was as it should be. It was a good time and even young adulthood was just fine.

I have gotten different personal perspectives from those who lived in that time too. I have known a number of folks who served in the military during the war, those in combat and those behind the lines, a few who served in Korea and even Vietnam. When those with that insight talked about their experiences, one thing they all seemed to agree on was that they felt their country was behind them in WWII, and that element was missing from successive wars. My mother had similar experiences as you describe during WWII.

As I mentioned in a previous post, there were many aspects to life during any of these times, and therefore room for many vastly different memories for those who lived through them.

Tony

 

[Aneeda72]

I was not trying to rewrite history and I do know history, so please just stop with that and say what you have to say. In short, let's respect each other and not make negative assumptions. I have seen other folks do this from time to time (not to me as this poster did), but whenever people pull this sort of stunt in a forum, it never goes well. Why not just read the post and possibly ASK the quoted poster what his or her intentions were and THEN proceed to respond, in short just be kind to one another and seek to understand rather than judge.

My intention was not to write the history of WWII. Such a post would be far too large to place here. What I did intend was to highlight that very small aspect that fit in with my points. None of what I said was wrong, but I suppose by some stretch you could say I was "lying by omission" IF you didn't read the rest of my post and comprehend the point I was making (context).

I am sorry to see this sort of thing here because I thought (hoped) this forum was different from what I have seen elsewhere. I dropped out of other forums I have been in, and will certainly do so here if this is how folks are treated. I am at an age in which I can choose what I want in my life, and this is certainly not it.

Edit: You can also google and find that America did also pull together, with many volunteering for the military, women working in the factories, many people volunteering their time at home for the war effort. In short, there were many things going on in the country at the time, enough to encompass what both of us have commented on here. So I am not saying that you and those who liked your post are wrong, but am only asking for more discussion and less assuming. I think such discussion would be far more interesting and productive than blasting away at each other. Please remember that there is always more than one way to look at most anything. We each simply took different pieces of the subject, you to attack me, and me to illustrate a point.

Tony

I have seen, on this forum, when someone disagrees with someone’s opinion the poster proclaims they are being “attacked”, that the poster lacks comprehension, and that they are a victim. Thus attacking the person they claimed attacked them. Whatever.

You were not attacked, you were disagreed with. I never claimed you lied by omission or otherwise. We obviously have different views. What I did was, disagree with you, as I still do. And, if I disagree in the future with you, I will.

You are right, you can stay or leave. This is a senior forum, we are all older. Do what you want, but if you have been on several forums and had the same issue, I would say it’s your issue, not mine.

My grandfather served in WWI and WWII. My grandmother served in WWII and my most precious possession is a picture of her in her WAC uniform with a picture on the wall behind her of my father, in uniform. He was in the Army/Airforce. My stepfather served in the Army and participated in the opening of one of the first concentration camps. My uncle was at Peal Harbor when it was bombed.

Numerous family served during WWII. Some volunteered, some were drafted. All served. Supported yes, pulling together no. I don’t need to google about WWII, I heard about it from the people who served.

But, ask our Japanese’s citizens, our black citizens, our indian citizens, our German citizens, and other citizens that I may have missed, if they felt “we pulled together” during WWII. Let me know.

 

[tbeltrans]

I have seen, on this forum, when someone disagrees with someone’s opinion the poster proclaims they are being “attacked”, that the poster lacks comprehension, and that they are a victim. Thus attacking the person they claimed attacked them. Whatever.

You were not attacked, you were disagreed with. I never claimed you lied by omission or otherwise. We obviously have different views. What I did was, disagree with you, as I still do. And, if I disagree in the future with you, I will.

You are right, you can stay or leave. This is a senior forum, we are all older. Do what you want, but if you have been on several forums and had the same issue, I would say it’s your issue, not mine.

My grandfather served in WWI and WWII. My grandmother served in WWII and my most precious possession is a picture of her in her WAC uniform with a picture on the wall behind her of my father, in uniform. He was in the Army/Airforce. My stepfather served in the Army and participated in the opening of one of the first concentration camps. My uncle was at Peal Harbor when it was bombed.

Numerous family served during WWII. Some volunteered, some were drafted. All served. Supported yes, pulling together no. I don’t need to google about WWII, I heard about it from the people who served.

But, ask our Japanese’s citizens, our black citizens, our indian citizens, our German citizens, and other citizens that I may have missed, if they felt “we pulled together” during WWII. Let me know.

Thanks for the response. When your opening line is "Again it seems like people either don’t know history or are trying to rewrite what happened. ", you are making assumptions about me that are not true. That is insulting. You can certainly disagree without being insulting. I hope you can understand the difference.

I am not disagreeing with your facts at all, but instead pointing out that there were many different experiences from that, or any period. My experiences during the 1960s, for example, are vastly different from that of my parents.

I am a Vietnam combat veteran and though I did not have conversations with senior officers while in the service, I did afterward. I got perspectives from them as serving in the military during WWII and contrasting those experiences with their experiences in Korea and Vietnam. The discussions were veteran to veteran, a discussion you would not have unless you actually served, and in combat. I don't doubt or argue with your facts, but instead am presenting still other experiences that are equally true.

Tony

 

[Aneeda72]

I have gotten different personal perspectives from those who lived in that time too. I have known a number of folks who served in the military during the war, those in combat and those behind the lines, a few who served in Korea and even Vietnam. When those with that insight talked about their experiences, one thing they all seemed to agree on was that they felt their country was behind them in WWII, and that element was missing from successive wars. My mother had similar experiences as you describe during WWII.

As I mentioned in a previous post, there were many aspects to life during any of these times, and therefore room for many vastly different memories for those who lived through them.

Tony

As for Vietnam, my husband, as many here know, was a combat marine in Vietnam. I served in the army during the vietnam era as did my brother. So, yup, I interacted with tons of active duty personnel during this time period and after the war.

No one remarked on if they felt supported during the war itself. Those concerns came later, much later. These vets all volunteers and more loyal to the USA than anyone.

My husband, and I, were at Camp Pendleton when the Vietnam people were moved onto the camp. These Vietnamese had to have MP’s surrounding their housing and lived within walking distance of us. The marines were not pleased. So I know about this directly.

Btw, what branch of service did you service in and when? You don’t need to answer of course.

 

[tbeltrans]

As for Vietnam, my husband, as many here know, was a combat marine in Vietnam. I served in the army during the vietnam era as did my brother. So, yup, I interacted with tons of active duty personnel during this time period and after the war.

No one remarked on if they felt supported during the war itself. Those concerns came later, much later. These vets all volunteers and more loyal to the USA than anyone.

My husband, and I, were at Camp Pendleton when the Vietnam people were moved onto the camp. These Vietnamese had to have MP’s surrounding their housing and lived within walking distance of us. The marines were not pleased. So I know about this directly.

Btw, what branch of service did you service in and when? You don’t need to answer of course.

As long as we can respect each other in disagreeing (or agreeing), I am certainly interested in getting to know you and your views on things. By the way, thank you for your service.

Other forums I left, not because I was personally attacked, but instead because of the fighting and hatred and disrespect people have been showing toward each other in our current political climate. I don't need that in my life. That has nothing to do with anything that happened in this thread, but instead I felt so much more peace leaving those forums, that I now clearly see where I have choices; and that is what I was commenting on.

Nobody that I have talked to felt supported during the Korean conflict (called the "forgotten war") or Vietnam, so I have no disagreement with you. As to your comment regarding Camp Pendleton, I have no knowledge of the events you mentioned, and my default stance is to accept what you said and respect that you have that knowledge.

I was in the Army and in Vietnam 71-72 in Long Khanh and Tay Ninh provinces.

Tony

 

[Aneeda72]

Thanks for the response. When your opening line is "Again it seems like people either don’t know history or are trying to rewrite what happened. ", you are making assumptions about me that are not true. That is insulting. You can certainly disagree without being insulting. I hope you can understand the difference.

I am not disagreeing with your facts at all, but instead pointing out that there were many different experiences from that, or any period. My experiences during the 1960s, for example, are vastly different from that of my parents.

I am a Vietnam combat veteran and though I did not have conversations with senior officers while in the service, I did afterward. I got perspectives from them as serving in the military during WWII and contrasting those experiences with their experiences in Korea and Vietnam. The discussions were veteran to veteran, a discussion you would not have unless you actually served, and in combat. I don't doubt or argue with your facts, but instead am presenting still other experiences that are equally true.

Tony

Oh,gosh, good thing I served so I could have those veteran to veteran discussions.

Since I don’t know you, I have no ideal what might insult you or not insult you. But feeling insulted is different from being insulted. So if you FEEL you have been insulted I, of course, apologize. It’s not like I said you lacked comprehension-. Or the ability to talk veteran to veteran. Or you made untrue assumptions about ME.

I don’t need combat experience to talk to a combat veteran, or even service experience. Veterans want someone who LISTENS. I once sat in a hospital ER, as an older non-threatening woman, and spoke with a young combat veteran about his drinking problem. This took no experience, but it did take ears.

Anyway, whatever.

 

[Aneeda72]

As long as we can respect each other in disagreeing (or agreeing), I am certainly interested in getting to know you and your views on things. By the way, thank you for your service.

Other forums I left, not because I was personally attacked, but instead because of the fighting and hatred and disrespect people have been showing toward each other in our current political climate. I don't need that in my life. That has nothing to do with anything that happened in this thread, but instead I felt so much more peace leaving those forums, that I now clearly see where I have choices; and that is what I was commenting on.

Nobody that I have talked to felt supported during the Korean conflict (called the "forgotten war") or Vietnam, so I have no disagreement with you. As to your comment regarding Camp Pendleton, I have no knowledge of the events you mentioned, and my default stance is to accept what you said and respect that you have that knowledge.

I was in the Army and in Vietnam 71-72 in Long Khanh and Tay Ninh provinces.

Tony

As you said to me, google about Camp Pendleton.

 

[Lewkat]

Again it seems like people either don’t know history or are trying to rewrite what happened. While I’ve forgotten more than I remember, I remember WWII as being filled with “concentration camps” in the US for our Japanese citizens. Those citizens lost their properties, their businesses, and some their lives. I don’t believe they were compensated for any of it.

We did not willingly join the fight against the Germans until Pear Harbor, or thereabouts. We let, yes let, the Jewish race be slaughtered, in mass by our late entrance into the war. Then refused a lot of the Jewish people entrance in our country. But we did willingly take in Nazi war criminals after the war and hid them.

I could go on. But I won’t. You can google all of this. But pull together? Nope, we didn’t pull together during WWII. We were, as Americans always are, pulling for our own best interest, doing extremely shameful things, and worried about the almighty dollar.

We joined the fight against Germany during WWII because Hitler declared war on us. We certainly did pull together during WWII, I lived during that time and we had camps for the Japanese and Germans alike. They were not concentration camps, but I will say not at all what they enjoyed before the war. We have made reparations to those families for their lost homes. We did not let the Jewish people get slaughtered as you seem to think. We did no know about it till close to the end of the war. Yes, the leaders did, but FDR was trying to keep us out of it all. There was one ship that was turned away from our shores with the Jews aboard. Can you name all the Nazi war criminals we took in after the war and hid. Werner Von Braun was brought in during the war and if he did not agree to our terms he'd have been tried and convicted for his rocketry systems.

 

[tbeltrans]

Oh,gosh, good thing I served so I could have those veteran to veteran discussions.

Since I don’t know you, I have no ideal what might insult you or not insult you. But feeling insulted is different from being insulted. So if you FEEL you have been insulted I, of course, apologize. It’s not like I said you lacked comprehension-. Or the ability to talk veteran to veteran. Or you made untrue assumptions about ME.

I don’t need combat experience to talk to a combat veteran, or even service experience. Veterans want someone who LISTENS. I once sat in a hospital ER, as an older non-threatening woman, and spoke with a young combat veteran about his drinking problem. This took no experience, but it did take ears.

Anyway, whatever.

My apologies if I put you off. I didn't know if you are or are not a veteran until your next post, but am glad that I left room for either case in my post. I can't assume and won't know either way until you tell me. So I didn't make assumptions about you. I left it either way in my post. I do believe there are experiences veterans share that those who never served can't. I don't see that as a "put down", but instead an observation. I also believe that combat veterans do have different experiences than those who never saw combat. It doesn't make them somehow superior or better in any way, but instead similar to somebody growing up on a farm as compared to somebody growing up in a big city. It is simply different experiences. That is where I found the discussions with those who saw combat in all three wars particularly revealing - because we had similar experiences and therefore a similar frame of reference.

I believe there is something in my choice of wording in my posts that you take exception to, based on your response here. If I can know what it is, I will try to change it and word what I say differently because I see your response as being to something I honestly did not intend.

Tony

 

[tbeltrans]

We joined the fight against Germany during WWII because Hitler declared war on us. We certainly did pull together during WWII, I lived during that time and we had camps for the Japanese and Germans alike. They were not concentration camps, but I will say not at all what they enjoyed before the war. We have made reparations to those families for their lost homes. We did not let the Jewish people get slaughtered as you seem to think. We did no know about it till close to the end of the war. Yes, the leaders did, but FDR was trying to keep us out of it all. There was one ship that was turned away from our shores with the Jews aboard. Can you name all the Nazi war criminals we took in after the war and hid. Werner Von Braun was brought in during the war and if he did not agree to our terms he'd have been tried and convicted for his rocketry systems.

Thank you!

Tony

 

[Aneeda72]

We joined the fight against Germany during WWII because Hitler declared war on us. We certainly did pull together during WWII, I lived during that time and we had camps for the Japanese and Germans alike. They were not concentration camps, but I will say not at all what they enjoyed before the war. We have made reparations to those families for their lost homes. We did not let the Jewish people get slaughtered as you seem to think. We did no know about it till close to the end of the war. Yes, the leaders did, but FDR was trying to keep us out of it all. There was one ship that was turned away from our shores with the Jews aboard. Can you name all the Nazi war criminals we took in after the war and hid. Werner Von Braun was brought in during the war and if he did not agree to our terms he'd have been tried and convicted for his rocketry systems.

I disagree with some of what you say, and agree with some of what you say. But I’m not really interested in discussing WWII. You can google for the Nazi war criminals brought into the US. However, remember that any Germans allowed in, while they might not be war criminals, they were Nazis.

I thought there were German camps as well, but couldn’t remember. Call them what you like, it was wrong, it was illegal, it was unconstitutional, and it was shameful. FDR knew, others knew, we let the Jewish people get slaughtered, IMO, by our non-action and went to war anyway.

In modern times, we have let, and do let, other populations get slaughtered by our failure to act. We only act when forced or if something is in our best interest. Mortally wrong, but it is what it is.

 

[Aneeda72]

Ok, I googled it which you could have done. But from what I found10,000 Nazi criminals, and up to 40,000 or more Nazi collaborators. This does not include the ordinary German citizens who were Nazis as well.

Very few Jewish survivors in comparison. Feel free to goggle it yourself and disagree.

 

[Aneeda72]

My apologies if I put you off. I didn't know if you are or are not a veteran until your next post, but am glad that I left room for either case in my post. I can't assume and won't know either way until you tell me. So I didn't make assumptions about you. I left it either way in my post. I do believe there are experiences veterans share that those who never served can't. I don't see that as a "put down", but instead an observation. I also believe that combat veterans do have different experiences than those who never saw combat. It doesn't make them somehow superior or better in any way, but instead similar to somebody growing up on a farm as compared to somebody growing up in a big city. It is simply different experiences. That is where I found the discussions with those who saw combat in all three wars particularly revealing - because we had similar experiences and therefore a similar frame of reference.

I believe there is something in my choice of wording in my posts that you take exception to, based on your response here. If I can know what it is, I will try to change it and word what I say differently because I see your response as being to something I honestly did not intend.

Tony

Well, you wrote that I was assuming things about you that were not true, I wasn’t. I had
no assumptions about you, still don’t. Why would I or anyone make assumptions about someone on a blog? That would be silly.

Then you assumed I wasn’t a veteran because, I am a woman. Seems you assume a lot of things. I did basic at Fort McClellan, plus specialized training, there. Then Fort Benjamin Harrison in Indiana for more training. Then ENT Air Force base, (Cheyenne Mountain actually). Almost lost the arm because it was salute, salute, salute. Ugh.

And finished at a fort in Southern California. OMGosh, forgot the name. It was in the city were Hell’s Angels hung out, where the ship, queen mary was put. . I’ll wake up tonight and remember.

You still seem to think that I can’t understand what a combat vet goes through even though I am married to one for over 48 years. The wives of combat vets may not know the details of what happened but we sure know the results.

Don’t change anything you wrote. It’s no big deal. WWII was a long time ago.