My gun.

Oh, no, not this gun thing again. Hand me one so I can shoot myself...
 

This is one of the issues that completely divides this country... and that no debate seems to be possible... that along with abortion and now to a lesser degree Gay rights. These are the issues that so many base their votes on. ANd it's sad... because while politicians claim they will address these things if elected.. they never do. And if they do, the Supreme court overturns many of the laws anyway. These social issues that are the main concern for many, are just a front to get votes for politicians that will consistantly vote AGAINST the best interest of their constuancy... by pushing tax cuts for the wealthy, while cutting benefits the poor and the middle class depend upon. Not only welfare, and food assistance... but now plans to Privatize Social security, and decrease benefits with upping the retirement age, and means testing... and also Medicare with the voucher plan. Give everyone a check and let them go about finding their own coverage.. and putting every senior back at the mercy of Insurance companies.. and we all know how kind they are. The same group of politicians want to repeal the ACA (obamacare) so Insurance companies can once again deny coverage for pre-existing conditions and put lifetime caps back in place.

MY Question is... just how important are Gays, guns and abortion to you that you would risk you financial future and perhaps die in poverty? Why vote against your financial interests?
 
Justme said:
One day the US might actually realise their crazy right to gun ownership makes them less safe!
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Don't lump us all into that statement. We are pretty much divided on the issue.. I KNOW that we are much LESS safe with uncontrolled gun ownership.. Talk to the gun fanatics and most of all the NRA.. who by the way couldn't care less about the so called 2nd ammendment rights... but is VERY concerned with the profits of the gun and ammo manufacturers, who sponsor crazy legislation and spread fear to promote their products.
 
did you look at the actual numbers of the CDC vs. J. of Pediariatics,, The CDC includes 100's of causes, death by accidental gun is only one (that's why its not mentioned as a single item). When compared number dwindles to statistical insignificance.

If you don't want to hear/read about anti gun freaks --- don't. check out any time/ its not going away

Its not a perfect world and protecting people from harm is not going to happen.

Any law against careless firearm storage etc. is impossible to enforce and ineffective. It would only be de facto.

You can go on and on with analogies to disease/gays/-- doesn't mean squat, they are different issues. (Actually gay marriage is an interesting example of the granting of constitutional amendments and is similar to the 2nd amendment arguments by pro-gun) bet gays with guns really get you going.

Sorry Ralphy but you have to have a backround check before you can do that. Glad you brought that up as suicides represent the largest portion of deaths from guns. Oh I almost forgot there is a guestion on the 4733 form of your check, it asks do you suffer from mental problems? Are you going to fib on that? Since suicide is a crime against yourself, lets take those figures out so they can't be politically manipulated. (rx drug overdoses are higher as a frame of reference).

The form of the original post was a rhetorical, and mapped out so the reader could easily follow the errors in logic, which at the end contains a chastisement -- an epiplexis or something like that if I recollect the term.
 
Quicksilver-- every one of your comments are refutable, and gross conclusions. It is obvious you don't even know what the NRA is or who the actual lobby groups, and PACS are. This November will sweeping changes, (Dems probably loose the Senate) some of the things you say may happen others won't.

as an example define crazy legislation, please don't assume crazy has a common value system.
 
Remington is one of a group of companies owned by a very large holding company called Cerebues (sp) which is held internationally by many stockholders not even in the US
 
Twixie said:
A gun is too easy to use..in fright..in anger...
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Or a license to kill... as the NRA and ALEC sponsored Stand your Ground Laws... that have seen an increase in "justifiable homicides" Particularly against Black males. Those same laws don't seem to apply when used by Blacks..

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/09/18/stand-your-ground-laws_n_3949730.html

Just another way to promote purchase of guns and line the pockets of the wealthy by promoting fear.

and NOW I am going to take my own advise and bow out of this convo, as there is no way to discuss it rationally for some... but only creates nastiness.. It's just one of those topics I guess.. Nobody changes their mind... opinions are carved in stone.
 
Men particularly like guns because they are great equalizers. No matter how big and strong some guy coming for you is he can brought down to your size with a bullet or two...
 
since the Huffington Post was started, one of the editors, stated goal was to "Bury the NRA"

Its amazing how anti gun freaks change the subject (especially to things like erectile dysfunction and other Freudian fixations) when the they suffer from the inability to focus in on one topic, (maybe they are to busy with self manipulation) so get off the couch and take your hand out of your pants stop blaming other people, oh whaaaaaaa, stop your cry fest. etc.

why do some people keep posting when they say they are done.

I would like to thank the anti gun crowd, especially the current Adminstration, for making the last two years, the biggest sales of guns and applications for concealed permits etc. in the history of the issue. There is nothing the NRA could have done that would have promoted their cause more.

and now for those who enjoy cartoons, metaphors, analogies
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rt3 said:
since the Huffington Post was started, one of the editors, stated goal was to "Bury the NRA"

Its amazing how anti gun freaks change the subject (especially to things like erectile dysfunction and other Freudian fixations) when the they suffer from the inability to focus in on one topic, (maybe they are to busy with self manipulation) so get off the couch and take your hand out of your pants stop blaming other people, oh whaaaaaaa, stop your cry fest. etc.

why do some people keep posting when they say they are done.

I would like to thank the anti gun crowd, especially the current Adminstration, for making the last two years, the biggest sales of guns and applications for concealed permits etc. in the history of the issue. There is nothing the NRA could have done that would have promoted their cause more.

and now for those who enjoy cartoons, metaphors, analogies
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I am sorry I can not agree with you..you sound like a gun-happy person who is not willing to give it up..

What can I say???
 

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