Do you think this is a reasonable goal?

[grahamg]

Who pays for food, clothing and shelter ? Wealthy aren't dumb they have money to relocate just like.
High-net-worth individuals, however, fled France last year in greater numbers than any other country. An estimated 12,000 millionaires left France last year, versus 10,000 in 2015, a gain of 20%, even though economic growth accelerated in the fourth quarter of last year.Feb 28, 2017
https://www.marketwatch.com/story/this-country-is-no-1-for-millionaire-migrants-and-its-not-the-us-2017-02-27#:~:text=High-net-worth individuals, however, fled France last,fourth quarter of last year.

Millionaires can't seem to flee this European country fast enough​

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/this-country-is-no-1-for-millionaire-migrants-and-its-not-the-us-2017-02-27#:~:text=High-net-worth individuals, however, fled France last,fourth quarter of last year.
So the sliding scale paying federal & state income taxes to support free could very well dwindle down to those not paying tax on their Soc. Sec. income will be part of the sliding scale source for free food, clothing and shelter. On top of providing for that what do you think would happen to the social safety nets like EBT & others.

The are a few millionaires in the UK who take a different view on becoming a tax exile, one being Lord Alan Sugar, who you may have heard of because he is the star of our version of "The Apprentice" (?).

 

[Rosemarie]

When I was starting out my family, in my early 20's, we bought a mobile home with cash. When I got pregnant, we bought a house that we could afford, and NOT the amount we were TOLD we could afford. We wanted to not be house poor. We lived there 15 years, paid child support for two kids, and I worked from home for 10 years (daycare) until my son was 10. The house was paid off, so we moved and bought a bigger house. What really got to me was we'd see new houses built in the city where our first house was, and two new SUV's in the driveway with a young 20ish couple living there. This happened a LOT. I always wondered, are their parents helping them? Or are they in debt up to their ears? We never carried credit cards then, and even now, we have one with cash rewards, pay off each month. We rent, (I remarried) and have been building a cabin, cash all the way, for a year. It's almost done. We paid cash for the 10 acres too. I also used to pay child support for my grand daughter, and once we put her mom through college, we started a college fund for Kensi, my grand daughter. My husband has been retired for over 20 years from the AF and I have 25 years into my job. We are not rich, but we do just fine. Neither one of us carried debt other than student loans. It can be done!!!

It's a pity more people don't have that attitude.

 

[Rosemarie]

Who pays for food, clothing and shelter ? Wealthy aren't dumb they have money to relocate just like.
High-net-worth individuals, however, fled France last year in greater numbers than any other country. An estimated 12,000 millionaires left France last year, versus 10,000 in 2015, a gain of 20%, even though economic growth accelerated in the fourth quarter of last year.Feb 28, 2017
https://www.marketwatch.com/story/this-country-is-no-1-for-millionaire-migrants-and-its-not-the-us-2017-02-27#:~:text=High-net-worth individuals, however, fled France last,fourth quarter of last year.

Millionaires can't seem to flee this European country fast enough​

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/this-country-is-no-1-for-millionaire-migrants-and-its-not-the-us-2017-02-27#:~:text=High-net-worth individuals, however, fled France last,fourth quarter of last year.
So the sliding scale paying federal & state income taxes to support free could very well dwindle down to those not paying tax on their Soc. Sec. income will be part of the sliding scale source for free food, clothing and shelter. On top of providing for that what do you think would happen to the social safety nets like EBT & others.

When I see what governments spend their money on, I would also do my best to avoid paying more tax than absolutely necessary.

 

[Knight]

Sigh. It requires you to be forward looking, leaving the gain and reward ideology behind.

Sigh. It requires you to be forward looking, leaving the gain and reward ideology behind.

I'm trying to understand your thought process.

How would a forward thinking person provide housing for a family of 5. what would a single person's home look like compared to that family of 5? What kind of home would that single person get if later married with twins on the way?

What happens since the free stuff is available in all states when those tired of the cold decide to move to warmer places?

How are handicapped in various ways & chronically unemployed housed & clothed ?

Where does the money come from? How many various government agencies both state & federal government will be involved to administer the free stuff so no fraud is perpetrated?

I know that's a lot to think about but a forward thinking person should have no problems with answering all those questions.

 

[Judycat]

Stop thinking money and think resources both material and human. Everyone has something to contribute. Right now people are sitting on their butts doing nothing for themselves or anyone else. Resources are sitting around gathering dust.

 

[Knight]

Stop thinking money and think resources both material and human.

Sounds great until you think about the questions I asked that you chose to ignore. I'll try this another way.

How will those sitting around doing nothing be able to provide the freebies you mentioned?

What resources are you posting about?

 

[Judycat]

The assets being hoarded by everyday citizens like yourself.

 

[Knight]

The assets being hoarded by everyday citizens like yourself.

And your assets? Do you get free internet service? Did you pay for your computer or was it free? Do you own a free car? Your home are you willing to give it away to any of those that you think should have a free home? Are you willing to pay the mortgage or rent if you don't own a home so someone can live there free? I could go on & on but I'm convinced liberal thinking works great until tough questions are asked.

BTW we don't hoard money our discretionary income it's spent in the community we live in. Still would like to know what resources you think are sitting around gathering dust?

I could be wrong but to me resources are the where with all that makes it possible to have assets. Resources like Soc. Sec. pensions, MRD's derived from 401k's and being smart enough during working years to plan for retirement. We pay a hefty federal tax on that. So we are contributing what are you doing?

 

[Pepper]

I'm convinced liberal thinking works great until tough questions are asked.

Oops. Any reply to that is against the rules but yet you are allowed to state that freely. That's why I think the rules may be lopsided. No one is permitted to react to your comment.

 

[Judycat]

I pay for everything and I'm even-Steven. I have no assets and I don't want yours.

 

[fmdog44]

To the OP: there is not now nor will there ever be a place in the world where your question will ever come to pass. Even Dorothy came to realize the Oz was nothing more than a hit to the head.

 

[Pecos]

I'm trying to understand your thought process.

How would a forward thinking person provide housing for a family of 5. what would a single person's home look like compared to that family of 5? What kind of home would that single person get if later married with twins on the way?

What happens since the free stuff is available in all states when those tired of the cold decide to move to warmer places?

How are handicapped in various ways & chronically unemployed housed & clothed ?

Where does the money come from? How many various government agencies both state & federal government will be involved to administer the free stuff so no fraud is perpetrated?

I know that's a lot to think about but a forward thinking person should have no problems with answering all those questions.

Hell is always in the details!

 

[Don M.]

"Income Inequality" has probably been with humans, since day one. Some get ahead, while others fall behind. However, this "disparity" is increasing with every passing year...and eventually will result in a civil uprising unlike anything we've ever seen.

 

[grahamg]

"Income Inequality" has probably been with humans, since day one. Some get ahead, while others fall behind. However, this "disparity" is increasing with every passing year...and eventually will result in a civil uprising unlike anything we've ever seen.

All this is certainly possible, but hopefully not inevitable. !

 

[AnnieA]

The assets being hoarded by everyday citizens like yourself.

By "hoarded assets" do you mean things of value people purchased throughout their working years, money they put into savings?

 

[Butterfly]

I'm trying to understand your thought process.

How would a forward thinking person provide housing for a family of 5. what would a single person's home look like compared to that family of 5? What kind of home would that single person get if later married with twins on the way?

What happens since the free stuff is available in all states when those tired of the cold decide to move to warmer places?

How are handicapped in various ways & chronically unemployed housed & clothed ?

Where does the money come from? How many various government agencies both state & federal government will be involved to administer the free stuff so no fraud is perpetrated?

I know that's a lot to think about but a forward thinking person should have no problems with answering all those questions.

And how would we regulate it? I mean certainly there are people who do not need help with the basics -- would this help go to everybody, including the very wealthy? Or would it be means tested? I think it would have to be; otherwise it becomes just another money-sucking boondoggle.

 

[Judycat]

By "hoarded assets" do you mean things of value people purchased throughout their working years, money they put into savings?

A cap on the amount of hoarded assets. The surplus goes into an humanitarian pool, cared for by angelic beings because our fellow man can't be trusted apparently.

 

[MarciKS]

a cap...meaning they should only be able to buy cars up to 40,000 and the rest be put in a pool for poor folks. that kind of thing judy?

 

[AnnieA]

A cap on the amount of hoarded assets. The surplus goes into an humanitarian pool, cared for by angelic beings because our fellow man can't be trusted apparently.

I'm on another board that has a WTH! reaction emoticon ...well, maybe not an H as the end letter. Never really have felt the need for it here til now.

 

[Aunt Bea]

"A government big enough to give you everything you want is a government big enough to take from you everything you have." - Gerald R. Ford

"Government's first duty is to protect the people, not run their lives." - Ronald Reagan

 

[Knight]

A cap on the amount of hoarded assets. The surplus goes into an humanitarian pool, cared for by angelic beings because our fellow man can't be trusted apparently.

Sounds like you want some government agency to monitor what those that have worked for what they have. Do you really want some government agency person dictating what you can have?

I really didn't expect you to answer the other questions simply because a liberal mind doesn't have answers to questions that challenge what they parrot other liberals say.

As for trust how many homeless do you house so that your idea to give free housing has a beginning

 

[Don M.]

Since this pandemic arrived, the numbers of unemployed have spiked up substantially. In our area, virtually every store has a Help Wanted sign on the door, but seem to have little luck finding employees. It seems that people can make more on Unemployment than they can by working.

 

[Irwin]

Since this pandemic arrived, the numbers of unemployed have spiked up substantially. In our area, virtually every store has a Help Wanted sign on the door, but seem to have little luck finding employees. It seems that people can make more on Unemployment than they can by working.

That may be true, but if you're on unemployment, you have to go out and look for work and you can't turn down a job without good reason, so there probably aren't too many people remaining on unemployment voluntarily.

 

[asp3]

To the OP: there is not now nor will there ever be a place in the world where your question will ever come to pass. Even Dorothy came to realize the Oz was nothing more than a hit to the head.

I’d disagree. I think in many ancient cultures and possibly some current “primitive” cultures this does happen. I don’t know enough to provide any proof. However I feel my pipe dream is possible. We have the resources to achieve it and we have the technology to achieve it. There just aren’t enough people working towards such a goal to achieve it.

 

[AnnieA]

I’d disagree. I think in many ancient cultures and possibly some current “primitive” cultures this does happen. I don’t know enough to provide any proof. ...

The cultures that spring to mind that have done or currently do this usually provide a subsistence level lifestyle dependent on easily gathered natural resources.