With caution I’d like express an observation.

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It seems I have always been around gay people my whole life. It doesn't bother me what anyone's sexual preference is. I figure what you do behind closed doors is your business. I went to see Bohemian Rhapsody which is about Freddie Mercury and a few people walked out during the first scene showing that he was attracted to men (The movie had to be changed to be shown in China which ruins the whole story in this movie). If people don't like it they can turn it off or leave like they did. I used to go to Fire Island in the seventies and eighties and out there straight people were the ones who were different. People are people and we are all different. It is just now due to the internet nothing is private and everyone shares everything. As far as same sex marriage, well if they want to get married it is their business not mine. In fact, I have a cousin who is in a same sex marriage so I did think about it but am fine with it.
 

I plan to watch, It will be interesting. And inclusive. My niece, Julie, who has been such a great help to me, is gay, and she has been in a committed relationship with Michelle for many years.
Deviant? Nope. Unhealthy to children? Nope. We cannot hide our children from people who are different from us forever. When I was younger, my parents went berserk because I had black friends. Times have changed.

Children cannot be "turned gay". I was born straight, Julie was born a lesbian. That is it. She and Michelle live a norma life. A house, two dogs and the most important part, they love each other.
 
My cousin married his partner as soon as they were allowed to in NY. They have been together since the late seventies I think. They had 3 foster children (siblings) who they eventually adopted. They now have grandchildren and none of their children are gay either. Their relationship has always been out in the open and exclusive.

The thing is if we love our family members and friends who are gay, we cannot turn our backs and hearts from them when we find out. Usually their spouses become a valued member of your family or friend too.
 

Mr. Ed said:
Which is ok except as heterosexual I cannot relate to the challenges and prosperity of same sex relationships. It’s not that I don’t understand I just can’t relate.
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Well, maybe you can't relate, but that is the beauty of having the choice to watch something or not. For me, I wouldn't watch that movie because it is a musical, and I don't care for them in general. Also, I'm not drawn to movies about teens anymore.

I have had some gay friends during my lifetime, and I was blessed to know them and have them as friends. They were good, kindhearted people, and whatever they did in the privacy of their own homes was none of my business and was never discussed by any of them. We are all people, regardless of sexuality, and I respect the freedom of all of us to live our lives the way we choose. I am also in favor of gay marriage, two people who love each other should be able to legally get married. This is my opinion, and has been for years. Live and let live, stop judging others!
 
Marie5656 said:
I plan to watch, It will be interesting. And inclusive. My niece, Julie, who has been such a great help to me, is gay, and she has been in a committed relationship with Michelle for many years.
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Good for you Marie. I remember how Julie was at your side when you needed someone and what a help she had been to you. From the photos you shared, she's a lovely young lady. 💙
 
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Marie5656 said:
@SeaBreeze well, I started watching, and gave it 30 minutes. Subject does not bother me, could not get into the musical. Will pass.
Thanks for the nice words about Julie. We are only 13 years apart in age, so have always been close.
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I can't get into musicals either Marie, seems the music itself is nothing that is ever near my taste in music. I'm glad you're so close to her, not all of us have a relative or friend that we're close with in our golden years.
 
I think we all have our own quirks, prejudices, and levels of acceptance. The fact that many people are gay does not bother me in the slightest, and is really none of my business. It's obviously a part of the human condition, no matter what any of us have been taught by the Bible-thumpers.

But I have to admit a prejudice of my own. I really have trouble accepting "trans" people. Part of it is the pronoun problem: what do you call them? He, she, they? It seems to be different every time. And I somehow can't accept that whole "I am a [whatever] trapped in a [whatever] body." I don't think there should be cruelty or discrimination against them, I just personally consider it a kind of mental illness, a denial of reality.
I know there are those who would disagree with me.
 
Colleen said:
Unnatural behavior and relationships are constantly being crammed down our throats and we're forced to accept this lifestyle. We can't say anything because then WE'RE labeled as prejudice or unkind. I'm 74 and The Bible teachings were a way of life that I was brought up with and The Bible clearly says it's a sin for a man to lay with a man. I try not to judge. That's not up to me, but all I can do is steer clear of people and situations that are breaking God's law. I've noticed on HGTV more and more shows are featuring gay couples or presenters. We've quit watching HGTV altogether. Thanks, Mr. Ed, for pointing out the context of this movie. Kinda disappointed in Meryl Streep for her lack of judgement. She probably felt this was a way of bringing "awareness" of how gay people are treated. Don't know...but maybe money had more to do with it then anything else.
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" It’s not that I don’t understand I just can’t relate"
I don't think more exposer means a person has to relate I think it's more about realizing that since biblical times gay and lesbian relationships have always been part of mankind.

The recent increase in media, film, T V programming, books I think is more about getting those buried in what the bible says to recognize that as a way of life is as natural for those that are born with that inclination are just as good or bad as anyone else.

The bible is used to try to explain the unexplainable at the time it was written. Then there is the pick & chose what one wants to believe they should do according to the bible.

Don't see much of this happening

Psalm 137:9​

Blessed shall he be who takes your little ones and dashes them against the rock!
 
Sunny said:
I think we all have our own quirks, prejudices, and levels of acceptance. The fact that many people are gay does not bother me in the slightest, and is really none of my business. It's obviously a part of the human condition, no matter what any of us have been taught by the Bible-thumpers.

But I have to admit a prejudice of my own. I really have trouble accepting "trans" people. Part of it is the pronoun problem: what do you call them? He, she, they? It seems to be different every time. And I somehow can't accept that whole "I am a [whatever] trapped in a [whatever] body." I don't think there should be cruelty or discrimination against them, I just personally consider it a kind of mental illness, a denial of reality.
I know there are those who would disagree with me.
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I think it's different every time Sunny, because we are all individuals and very different from each other in so many ways. Since I haven't experienced what they are going through, my heart goes out to them. I don't think it's a mental illness, it has a lot to do with their physical composition, in conjunction with mental and emotional. I can't even imagine the inner turmoil they are going through. I completely accept them and wish them well, that's the only thing I can do.
 
Sunny said:
I think we all have our own quirks, prejudices, and levels of acceptance. The fact that many people are gay does not bother me in the slightest, and is really none of my business. It's obviously a part of the human condition, no matter what any of us have been taught by the Bible-thumpers.

But I have to admit a prejudice of my own. I really have trouble accepting "trans" people. Part of it is the pronoun problem: what do you call them? He, she, they? It seems to be different every time. And I somehow can't accept that whole "I am a [whatever] trapped in a [whatever] body." I don't think there should be cruelty or discrimination against them, I just personally consider it a kind of mental illness, a denial of reality.
I know there are those who would disagree with me.
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I can't recommend one off the top of my head but there are some good books that explore and explain the various aspects of gender, sexuality and identity which help shed light on what is going on within various people and how their orientations are shaped inside their minds. In some cases there are physical differences in the brains of people who are not cis-oriented. These are physical variations in the brain and/or it's development which are not things that are wrong or broken, they're just different.

We are extremely complex beings and there is a lot of room for variation between us.

One way to avoid the he, she, they issue is to address them by their name instead. Another way is to ask them, different people identify and wish to be addressed differently.

Not only are we complex beings but the world is a complex place and the rigid black and white categorizations that represent the majority of the world don't tell the whole story.
 
My wife and I have watched it. It was a reasonably good movie, and some of the music and dancing was great. I think that the movie does give insight into the intolerance that gay people encounter. As a society we waste a lot of time and energy on nonsense like intolerance and racism.
My lovely daughter is gay and she was simply born that way. She is happy and her partner is a great person as well.
 
Pepper said:
As Gaer is fond of saying "IMO" which you conveniently left out, I guess since your opinion should be absolutely everyone's! A good thing god invented death, otherwise we'd never progress as a species. IMO.
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This is nothing to do with anyone's opinion. Aren't you familiar with the Bible? You seem to think I've made it up. This advice was given to mankind eons ago. There is a sound basis for it.
 
Sunny said:
I think we all have our own quirks, prejudices, and levels of acceptance. The fact that many people are gay does not bother me in the slightest, and is really none of my business. It's obviously a part of the human condition, no matter what any of us have been taught by the Bible-thumpers.

But I have to admit a prejudice of my own. I really have trouble accepting "trans" people. Part of it is the pronoun problem: what do you call them? He, she, they? It seems to be different every time. And I somehow can't accept that whole "I am a [whatever] trapped in a [whatever] body." I don't think there should be cruelty or discrimination against them, I just personally consider it a kind of mental illness, a denial of reality.
I know there are those who would disagree with me.
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This is a new expression which is rather confusing. The big problem is that there are big physical differences between the genders. We look at a man and see a man, even when he is dressed in a frock, high heels and has long hair. A woman can generally disguise herself as a boy but not a man.
Homosexuals need to understand that. The word 'trans' to me suggests someone who is in transition, perhaps in the process of living as the opposite sex to the one he was born as.
 
Rosemarie said:
This is nothing to do with anyone's opinion. Aren't you familiar with the Bible? You seem to think I've made it up. This advice was given to mankind eons ago. There is a sound basis for it.
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Am I familiar with the Bible? Well, gosh, gee, who hasn't had that satanic novel shoved down their throat, against their will when they were innocent children? Golly, Rosemarie, maybe I don't give a crap. Shovel it somewhere else. Thank you.
 
Pepper said:
Am I familiar with the Bible? Well, gosh, gee, who hasn't had that satanic novel shoved down their throat, against their will when they were innocent children? Golly, Rosemarie, maybe I don't give a crap. Shovel it somewhere else. Thank you.
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Then don't come the 'holier than thou' with me!!
 
win231 said:
I don't really care who lays with who, but I have to admit that I'm sorta creeped out when a man says, "My husband," or a woman says, "My wife." I don't agree with (legal) same-sex marriages, especially when children are involved.
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It puts me off too. In my mind, the terms husband and wife denote gender. Wish all would simply refer to 'spouse' and leave it at that but none of my business and no one asked me. Just my 2 cents.

IMO everyone has the right to live as they please as long as it does not infringe on the rights of others.

It does often infringe on the happiness of others but happiness is another matter and is more likely achieved with acceptance of a situation that you cannot change.

I have close family members who still think gayness is a matter of choice and can be 'prayed away'. It's a family argument that is 45 years old and no longer discussed.
 
As accepting as I am of gay marriage, I always do a kind of mental flip-flop when I hear a man refer to another man as his husband. And there is a fair amount of that in this liberal area; thankfully, lots of folks are out of the closet.

The terms "husband" and "wife" have seemed awfully archaic to me for a long time now. It has nothing to do with sexual preference (gay or straight), it sounds just as archaic when anyone is saying it. And yes, I always referred to my late husband as "husband," as we don't have too many other terms to use. It doesn't usually create problems for straight couples, other than sounding quaint.

I like the term "spouse" for the person to whom one is legally married. That would apply equally to gay and straight couples, and get rid of the Shakespearean (and probably earlier than that) connotations. Husband? Animal husbandry? What in tarnation is the source of that word anyway?
 

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