German scientists make paralyzed mice walk again

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This is interesting, however, I object strongly to using animals in experiments. It's cruel to injure something so they can try to fix it to benefit us. The animals have no voice, they have no choice. Bless the Beasts and the Children by the Carpenters. I'm trying to insert a video, but it keeps messing up.
 
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Phoenix said:
This is interesting, however, I object strongly to using animals in experiments. It's cruel to injure something so they can try to fix it to benefit us. The animals have no voice, they have no choice. Bless the Beasts and the Children by the Carpenters. I'm trying to insert a video, but it keeps messing up.
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I agree 100%, Phoenix, science experiments on helpless animals has always been a major sore spot with me.
 

I disagree.

My son has never walked, never. He can’t feed himself, he can’t sit, he can’t stand. Grade 4 brain bleed at birth. I would experiment on every animal in the world, and kill them all if necessary, if it would mean my son would walk.

I am assuming the people who think experimenting on animals is wrong are vegans. Cause if you won’t experiment on them, without their permission, I am assuming you would not eat them without their permission.

I am also assuming you would not take advantage of ANY of the medical benefits that have been gained by animal experimentation. Like various eye surgeries, heart surgeries, in fact almost every single medical surgery was done on animals first.

I would say more, but I’ve made my point.
 
Aneeda72 said:
I disagree.

My son has never walked, never. He can’t feed himself, he can’t sit, he can’t stand. Grade 4 brain bleed at birth. I would experiment on every animal in the world, and kill them all if necessary, if it would mean my son would walk.

I am assuming the people who think experimenting on animals is wrong are vegans. Cause if you won’t experiment on them, without their permission, I am assuming you would not eat them without their permission.

I am also assuming you would not take advantage of ANY of the medical benefits that have been gained by animal experimentation. Like various eye surgeries, heart surgeries, in fact almost every single medical surgery was done on animals first.

I would say more, but I’ve made my point.
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I am not a vegan. Even if you eat a plant it was once alive. I care about beings. Animals are beings. We are animals too. We forget that. Animal experimentation is cruel. Cruel. Anything that has no say in what happens to them is being brutalized.
 
Phoenix said:
I am not a vegan. Even if you eat a plant it was once alive. I care about beings. Animals are beings. We are animals too. We forget that. Animal experimentation is cruel. Cruel. Anything that has no say in what happens to them is being brutalized.
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Well, we can agree to disagree but if you think animals are humanly killed in slaughter houses, you should visit one. I have not forgotten that animals are beings, I simply care more for my son or any other human being than I do for any animal.

Are you going to refuse medical treatment in protest that experiments on animals enabled a treatment that would save your life?-or your sight -or your ability to walk? I doubt it. Especially since you are not vegan. Anyway we continue to agree to disagree and with that I am done.
 
Aneeda72 said:
Well, we can agree to disagree but if you think animals are humanly killed in slaughter houses, you should visit one. I have not forgotten that animals are beings, I simply care more for my son or any other human being than I do for any animal.

Are you going to refuse medical treatment in protest that experiments on animals enabled a treatment that would save your life?-or your sight -or your ability to walk? I doubt it. Especially since you are not vegan. Anyway we continue to agree to disagree and with that I am done.
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I know about slaughter houses. I grew up on a farm. I also know that grass, vegetables and trees have feelings. You have no idea who I am. Don't assign me feelings and decisions, ever.
 
Aneeda72 said:
Well, we can agree to disagree but if you think animals are humanly killed in slaughter houses, you should visit one. I have not forgotten that animals are beings, I simply care more for my son or any other human being than I do for any animal.

Are you going to refuse medical treatment in protest that experiments on animals enabled a treatment that would save your life?-or your sight -or your ability to walk? I doubt it. Especially since you are not vegan. Anyway we continue to agree to disagree and with that I am done.
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You are correct about animals in slaughterhouses. However, you are mistaken about animal experimentation. It has nothing to do with being a vegan or vegetarian.
Have any of the thousands of animals tortured & killed in experiments helped your son? Cured any disease? No.

Animal experimentation for drug approval has led to many nightmares & tragedies - such as Thalidomide, which was extensively tested on animals & found to have no harmful effects. But when given to pregnant women, it caused their babies to be born with missing limbs - feet attached directly to hips, hands attached to shoulders without arms, etc. One of many.
Using insulin from a pig's pancreas to treat diabetes was hailed as a big lifesaving "Breakthrough;" until the life-threatening allergic reactions, which led to synthetic insulin.
Rabbits are often used for medical experiments. Rabbits constantly nibble on Death Cap mushrooms with no ill effects. These are fatal to humans.
An immune system reacts very differently to a disease that is artificially induced than one that occurs naturally.

Forcing hundreds of monkeys & dogs to inhale cigarette smoke nonstop to establish that smoking is not healthy? Needs no explanation.
Shaving the skin off of rabbits & rats, then exposing them to UV light to determine the effectiveness of sunscreen? Needs no explanation.
I won't post videos; they are unforgettable & nightmarish - especially the screams.
The real purpose of such experimentation is big research grants; in other words: Money.
 
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Aneeda72 said:
Well, we can agree to disagree but if you think animals are humanly killed in slaughter houses, you should visit one. I have not forgotten that animals are beings, I simply care more for my son or any other human being than I do for any animal.

Are you going to refuse medical treatment in protest that experiments on animals enabled a treatment that would save your life?-or your sight -or your ability to walk? I doubt it. Especially since you are not vegan. Anyway we continue to agree to disagree and with that I am done.
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I know about slaughter houses. I grew up on a farm. I actually know a lot of things. I also know that grass, vegetables and trees have feelings. You have no idea who I am. Don't assign me feelings, ever.
 
Phoenix said:
I know about slaughter houses. I grew up on a farm. I actually know a lot of things. I also know that grass, vegetables and trees have feelings. You have no idea who I am. Don't assign me feelings, ever.
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Hmm, I didn’t think I assigned you any feelings before but you seem angry now. That’s not an assignment it’s an observation. I do not care who you really are. But if you are threatening me, or trying to threaten me, you will have to be clearer, but I still won’t care. I actually know a lot of things too.

Forum rules prevent me from saying what I know about you. 🙄
 
win231 said:
You are correct about animals in slaughterhouses. However, you are mistaken about animal experimentation. It has nothing to do with being a vegan or vegetarian.
Have any of the thousands of animals tortured & killed in experiments helped your son? Cured any disease? No.

Animal experimentation for drug approval has led to many nightmares & tragedies - such as Thalidomide, which was extensively tested on animals & found to have no harmful effects. But when given to pregnant women, it caused their babies to be born with missing limbs - feet attached directly to hips, hands attached to shoulders without arms, etc. One of many.
Using insulin from a pig's pancreas to treat diabetes was hailed as a big lifesaving "Breakthrough;" until the life-threatening allergic reactions, which led to synthetic insulin.
Rabbits are often used for medical experiments. Rabbits constantly nibble on Death Cap mushrooms with no ill effects. These are fatal to humans.
An immune system reacts very differently to a disease that is artificially induced than one that occurs naturally.

Forcing hundreds of monkeys & dogs to inhale cigarette smoke nonstop to establish that smoking is not healthy? Needs no explanation.
Shaving the skin off of rabbits & rats, then exposing them to UV light to determine the effectiveness of sunscreen? Needs no explanation.
I won't post videos; they are unforgettable & nightmarish - especially the screams.
The real purpose of such experimentation is big research grants; in other words: Money.
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The purpose of everything is money
 
Aneeda72 said:
Hmm, I didn’t think I assigned you any feelings before but you seem angry now. That’s not an assignment it’s an observation. I do not care who you really are. But if you are threatening me, or trying to threaten me, you will have to be clearer, but I still won’t care. I actually know a lot of things too.

Forum rules prevent me from saying what I know about you. 🙄
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Aneeda72 said:
Hmm, I didn’t think I assigned you any feelings before but you seem angry now. That’s not an assignment it’s an observation. I do not care who you really are. But if you are threatening me, or trying to threaten me, you will have to be clearer, but I still won’t care. I actually know a lot of things too.

Forum rules prevent me from saying what I know about you. 🙄
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I am not angry. I am not threatening you. Again you assign me feelings I do not have. I guess it makes you feel better to do that. You don't know anything about me. I do hope you find a way to be happy and find peace.
 
I was so excited when I read this, to think that all the people who are suffering from spinal cord injuries through sport, traffic accidents etc stuck in a wheelchair - this remarkable discovery gives them hope. I find it hard to believe that some people are worrying about test animals when they should be singing the praises of these remarkable scientists who could end the misery for millions. Aneeda 72, you are my hero, a woman with guts who when faced with two choices - took the job on with love and determination.
 
mellowyellow said:
I was so excited when I read this, to think that all the people who are suffering from spinal cord injuries through sport, traffic accidents etc stuck in a wheelchair - this remarkable discovery gives them hope. I find it hard to believe that some people are worrying about test animals when they should be singing the praises of these remarkable scientists who could end the misery for millions. Aneeda 72, you are my hero, a woman with guts who when faced with two choices - took the job on with love and determination.
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As much as I try to, Mellow, it's just so bitter-sweet for me knowing the suffering that lab and test animals are put through, some suffering excruciating pain and abuse.
 
Maybe this is where religion works .

Mankind is supposed to dominate over animals. Exactly how that domination is supposed to work I don't know. What I do know is using animals to experiment on beats how the Germans experimented on Jews.
In order to cure disease & other forms of illness in humans. We can use humans or animals for testing.
I vote for use of animals.
 
Aunt Marg said:
As much as I try to, Mellow, it's just so bitter-sweet for me knowing the suffering that lab and test animals are put through, some suffering excruciating pain and abuse.
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It is bitter sweet especially when the higher functioning animals that we love are involved. When we had our dog put down, because of grand mal seizures, we were asked to donate him for drug experiments for seizure control we refused.

Even though our son also has seizures, we drew that line because we loved our dog as well as our son. Obviously, some choices are impossible when love is involved. But we became accidentally aware he was not put down a few months ago. 😞. We do not know his final fate, we were told he went to a dog haven. But they would not have accidentally called us.

Maybe he did go on to help our son, I know he would have “volunteered“. He was a great dog.
 
Aneeda72 said:
It is bitter sweet especially when the higher functioning animals that we love are involved. When we had our dog put down, because of grand mal seizures, we were asked to donate him for drug experiments for seizure control we refused.

Even though our son also has seizures, we drew that line because we loved our dog as well as our son. Obviously, some choices are impossible when love is involved. But we became accidentally aware he was not put down a few months ago. 😞. We do not know his final fate, we were told he went to a dog haven. But they would not have accidentally called us.

Maybe he did go on to help our son, I know he would have “volunteered“. He was a great dog.
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This is why I would never leave a pet with the powers to be to have the animal gently put down.

Dear husband and I would be right there, right beside the pet comforting it and seeing to it that our beloved family pet exited this world with care and love.

I can't help but think you failed your pet by not being there for it at the end, Aneeda.

The main reason why we don't have a family pet, is because neither hubby or myself can stomach the loss, so more likely than not, we will never own a pet.
 
Aunt Marg said:
This is why I would never leave a pet with the powers to be to have the animal gently put down.

Dear husband and I would be right there, right beside the pet comforting it and seeing to it that our beloved family pet exited this world with care and love.

I can't help but think you failed your pet by not being there for it at the end, Aneeda.

The main reason why we don't have a family pet, is because neither hubby or myself can stomach the loss, so more likely than not, we will never own a pet.
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Actually the only place you can have a pet put down here is at the county shelter which is a no kill shelter, and they have to observe that the dog is having grand mail seizures. You are not allowed to watch. We checked back, were told they saw the seizures, and because he was only 2 he was sent to a special medical care facility.

After the phone call, we realized that probably meant a certain place that tries difference drugs on dogs that have seizures. A bad thing? Maybe, but maybe not. He seized for five minutes, lost control of his bowels, almost broke his back as he bent backwards, and didn’t know where he was for about 30 minutes. Was still dazed after that.

Seizure medication in dogs, lessens the seizures but doesn’t control them. I think any dogs with these issues should be put down. But perhaps, if he did go to the medical facility, they could find a drug that would help him, help other dogs, and help people.

No, I didn’t fail him no matter what his fate. I did what I thought was the right thing. The fact that it worked out different was fate. Things often work out different than we plan, that’s not failure, that’s life, and, perhaps, he had another shot at life.
 
Aneeda72 said:
Actually the only place you can have a pet put down here is at the county shelter which is a no kill shelter, and they have to observe that the dog is having grand mail seizures. You are not allowed to watch. We checked back, were told they saw the seizures, and because he was only 2 he was sent to a special medical care facility.

After the phone call, we realized that probably meant a certain place that tries difference drugs on dogs that have seizures. A bad thing? Maybe, but maybe not. He seized for five minutes, lost control of his bowels, almost broke his back as he bent backwards, and didn’t know where he was for about 30 minutes. Was still dazed after that.

Seizure medication in dogs, lessens the seizures but doesn’t control them. I think any dogs with these issues should be put down. But perhaps, if he did go to the medical facility, they could find a drug that would help him, help other dogs, and help people.

No, I didn’t fail him no matter what his fate. I did what I thought was the right thing. The fact that it worked out different was fate. Things often work out different than we plan, that’s not failure, that’s life, and, perhaps, he had another shot at life.
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I don't share your sentiment.

The only thing I see is a family pet that was cast off before it's time, which prompts me to question how much the poor thing missed you.
 

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