Irresistible force, (x2), meets immovable object, (me), what usually happens in these circumstances?

grahamg

Old codger
I've grown a bit bigger during lockdown, both physically I'm a bit ashamed to say, (as I didn't need enlarging!), and psychologically perhaps, (I'm pleased to say! :) ).

This week I've been filling in on a short contract in the south of England, and am now half way through, though how I've made it through in one piece both physically and psychologically is surprising to me and my few friends, as its been an ordeal, long shifts, hours I'm completely unused to, all on top of a long journey down here at six hours notice, and some other stressors on me this week unconnected with work.

The x2 irresistible forces are my two work colleagues, one of whom is another "sort of mate", who have known for forty years, but only worked with on short contracts twice this year, the last time in March when the first lockdown occurred, as he's new to our agency. The second irresistible force is a "mini me" of this guy, in the form of a very hard working, basically very good hearted workaholic, who has been working with her idol for six months, is well educated, though refuses to discuss this aspect of her life when I asked her whether she went to college, and comes from Scotland, though she refuses to allow anyone to speak of this either for reasons I cannot possibly imagine, such a wonderful country "across the border"!

These two think they are going to successfully trammel me into their way of thinking, almost afraid of their own shadow when it comes to the way they interact with our firms clients, and they spend their time working hard, the pair of them to be far, but expending a fair amount of energy chivvying me along, as I reel from the physical challenge, new procedures I cant pretend to have taken in properly, and some of those I do think I understand I'm sceptical about, (a specialist cleaning job I'm talking about), plus at my age and weight I need to go to the toilet more often than convenient, especially when the one we're allowed to use is anything but "convenient".

All this and a pandemic hey, folks losing their jobs all over the place, and when I felt likely to drop off my perch on the fist evening, at the end of the 11 hours shift following little sleep the night before, I was already in a mood to chuck the towel in, especially given the constant nagging I'd been subjected to, and given I'm a bit sensitive to this kind of treatment, especially when combined with my professional competency and nous is being questioned so much.

The agency would have found a replacement to cover next week if they could have done so, when I rang the alarm bells, but I feel some considerable pleasure, oddly enough, that having to face another week "of this paradise", they felt they had enough confidence in me to get through it somehow, (though they know my own mood, and the actions of the two "irresistible forces" are unlikely to change, and there will be maybe even more turbulence next week, - stay posted!).

What normally happens in these circumstances, (equivalent of a messy divorce of some kind, where the couple are forced to live together for a while I'm thinking?)?
 

I read that & have to ask. What the hell is he going on about?

I don't know you, I don't know what kind of job you do or were referring to. Might make more sense if you described the job & the role each of you have in completing it.

As for the female if she is capable & doing what is required of her what difference does it make in her education or where she was born?

As for weight you can do something about that. I'm a few days short of reaching age 80. My weight is perfect for my height since we exercise & enjoy a good diet. I think it's funny when walking that both my wife & I can pass people 1/2 our age.
 
I read that & have to ask. What the hell is he going on about?
I don't know you, I don't know what kind of job you do or were referring to. Might make more sense if you described the job & the role each of you have in completing it.
As for the female if she is capable & doing what is required of her what difference does it make in her education or where she was born?
As for weight you can do something about that. I'm a few days short of reaching age 80. My weight is perfect for my height since we exercise & enjoy a good diet. I think it's funny when walking that both my wife & I can pass people 1/2 our age.
Glad you and your wife keep in trim, and agree completely with your wisdom doing so, and admit weakness in not controlling my weight better than I am at the moment, and know I'm only making excuses when I say my mother struggled with her weight most of her life, (though she lived to 86 years), and my father to a lesser extent, (he lived to almost 96 years, I say "almost" deliberately because he used to add a year to his age for fun, when anyone asked how old he was, once he got near to his birthday!).

You say you are confused, and I completely accept my post above contained much that was confusing, though as to the young woman telling you immediately you ask about her country of birth, (her accent cannot be mistaken, or fail to be noticed), cuts you down completely straight away then the other irresistible force I'm going on about "warns you not to ask anymore", it does make me, and I'd guess anyone else reading this, what could possibly be so terrible about her country of birth, where she grew up for most of her life etc. or anything happening there that might put anyone off giving a more pleasant response to my question whereabouts in Scotland she came from, I'd only asked quite innocently(?).

Finally I'm grateful for your response to the thread, no matter you're confused, and I'll have to add a detail not covered in the OP to increase everyone's confusion in all likelihood, this same young woman told me she "lived by chaos theory", (or I think she said those words, she certainly mentioned "chaos theory" and asked whether I knew anything about it, - I do but very very little, and it certainly confuses me as it apparently did Einstein). šŸ¤šŸ˜“.
 

Here is a link and short extract concerning "Chaos theory", that the young woman above said she lived her life by, (if she wants to see chaos she should see my home life btw! :rolleyes: ):

"Chaos theory is an interdisciplinary theory stating that, within the apparent randomness of chaotic complex systems, there are underlying patterns, interconnectedness, constant feedback loops, repetition, self-similarity, fractals, and self-organization. ... This behavior is known as deterministic chaos, or simply chaos."

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3202497/

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Scientific theories
are characterized by the fact that they remain open to refutation through experimental studies, while mathematical models are noncontradictory (in the sense of mathematical logic) and deduced from a list of axioms. Physicists, biologists, and medical researchers have the mission of understanding whether events from the world follow given mathematical laws or not. Indeed, there are three successive steps in constructing such a model: first the observation of the phenomenon, then its translation into equations, then the solving of these equations. Obviously, researchers in biological sciences and in medicine place emphasis on the first step, that of the observation of the phenomena, in order to understand components of a phenomenon, ie, to establish a body of knowledge that could then be translated into models and equations.

Chaos theory is a mathematical theory, and it is still in development. It enables the description of a series of phenomena from the field of dynamics, ie, that field of physics concerning the effect of forces on the motion of objects."
 
Some more research for you:
"The Infinity from Nothing paradox and the Immovable Object meets the Irresistible Force"

https://link.springer.com/article/1...t=No force can move an,will move and not move.

"We (however), don’t have a spaceship or a particle disappearing: we have an infinity of particles with infinite energy disappearing. So in the temporal inversion we have infinitely many particles instantaneously coming into existence and arranging themselves into a stationary and a moving plurality by one second later. It could hardly be a more extreme case of indeterminism: we have the spontaneous eruption of infinite mass and energy out of nothing. This is the Infinity from Nothing paradox."
 
My theory for what it's worth is that mini me lady might fear that you are out to replace her idol. She has been working with him for six months and you are the new kid on the block.

As far as her not discussing her former whereabouts, she could be reluctant for any number of reasons. Hiding from an ex comes to mind.
 
My theory for what it's worth is that mini me lady might fear that you are out to replace her idol. She has been working with him for six months and you are the new kid on the block.
As far as her not discussing her former whereabouts, she could be reluctant for any number of reasons. Hiding from an ex comes to mind.
Most likely scenario I agree, though it is not beyond the range of possibilities that the young woman chooses to portray herself a so tough, and experienced, and this is all nothing more than another version of nonsense anyone saying they "live by chaos theory", or any other such mind blowing excuse to avoid facing they are like the rest of us, choose to rely upon to fool others, or make them appear more interesting, than they would if they just behaved like the good hearted young woman I believe she truly is, and should be recognised and appreciated for more.

Oh, and no doubt you're on the money so for as the other "irresistible force" guy, though there is no chance whatever of me ever replacing him, he's got sales and customer relation skills I'll never emulate, and a lot of knowledge and guile, plus a strong suit of crawling to the men with the dough. :rolleyes::sneaky: .
 
Maybe you didn't understand my post. What is your job & how it relates to your co-workers is what I was asking about.

You chose to ignore that & focused on the girl/woman/female.

Her response to you about her life could be as simple as your response to me when I asked what kind of job you were doing.

You don't want to fill me in since it is none of my business.
 
Maybe you didn't understand my post. What is your job & how it relates to your co-workers is what I was asking about.
You chose to ignore that & focused on the girl/woman/female.
Her response to you about her life could be as simple as your response to me when I asked what kind of job you were doing.
You don't want to fill me in since it is none of my business.
Just a glorified cleaning job, and I didn't answer simply because I wanted to try to focus upon the questions you kindly raised I thought more interesting to anyone reading the thread, (in line with the intentions in the OP too of course, not to get taken off topic too far).
All good now? :unsure::whistle::rolleyes:;).
 
I read that & have to ask. What the hell is he going on about?

I don't know you, I don't know what kind of job you do or were referring to. Might make more sense if you described the job & the role each of you have in completing it.

As for the female if she is capable & doing what is required of her what difference does it make in her education or where she was born?

I agree. Were I the female in question, I think I'd take offense at such questioning. Since she is there in whatever capacity, I would assume she has the education required to get the job; and it's none of your business where she was born, or where, or if, she went to college.

It's a business environment, and personal questions from a near stranger, colleague or not, are just plain inappropriate.
 
I agree. Were I the female in question, I think I'd take offense at such questioning. Since she is there in whatever capacity, I would assume she has the education required to get the job; and it's none of your business where she was born, or where, or if, she went to college.
It's a business environment, and personal questions from a near stranger, colleague or not, are just plain inappropriate.
I'm glad you've got such knowledge you can make such pronouncements,...., or to remove the note of irony, you feel given the few details provided above, any question based upon hearing an obvious accent is automatically totally inappropriate, in any circumstances, and should never be seen as a friendly aside, and tolerated in that manner, (I've told you btw, the other "irresistible force" went on to tell me this young woman is very sensitive to any questioning at all about her country of birth, and it would therefore be hard to argue all other people being asked where they live would be similarly offended, (and there was no way I could have been expected to know this beforehand). WARNING "LONG SENTENCE" :rolleyes::whistle:
 
This was my first thought when I read the title of the post. We learn about immovable objects early when racing cars. ;)

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Dont know where to post these thoughts, though they're not really connected with the OP, or only loosely in the way those two "irresistible forces" described seem to thrive on every damn detail/propaganda I'm supposed to swallow wholesale.

Your take on the thread topic too, with the great crash photo, did trigger me to think of this, or what I'm going to say, because you would wonder how anyone walked away from such an impact with an immovable object(?).

Its bit lurid to think of this, but I remember a guy once telling me if his child were to die he would want to know every single contributing factor or detail, whilst my thought was its too late to save him/her, and all the detail in the world wouldn't make any difference to this fact, (maybe our discussion was in connection with some UK hospitals holding on to some tissues following the death of a child without seeking a parents permission, I'd suggest with two good reasons, one not to distress the parents further, trying to get them to make a decision at that dreadful time, but also to try to learn from the sad loss, in order to try to learn how to save the next sick child they're treating). LONG SENTENCE ALERT !

The tenuous link to the OP is that I do feel my physical and mental health is under threat being pushed to do more than I believe is fair for a guy my age and weight, "but the good news is, no one would be really interested in discovering all the details should I suddenly pop my clogs"! . :whistle:
 
Respectfully I do not understand your post.
That's no surprise, and I'm not being sarcastic there, I'm all at sea myself, though maybe finding my way to shore again after a peaceful weekend annoying folks on the forums, (or pulling their legs I mean, all harmless fun is intended anyway, unless you get me started on fathers/parebts right that is!). :whistle: .

I wont try to explain further as I think it'll only get worse, until I complete this short contract hopefully on Friday and get off home, never to be seen here again! šŸš™šŸšļø
 
I'm glad you've got such knowledge you can make such pronouncements,...., or to remove the note of irony, you feel given the few details provided above, any question based upon hearing an obvious accent is automatically totally inappropriate, in any circumstances, and should never be seen as a friendly aside, and tolerated in that manner, (I've told you btw, the other "irresistible force" went on to tell me this young woman is very sensitive to any questioning at all about her country of birth, and it would therefore be hard to argue all other people being asked where they live would be similarly offended, (and there was no way I could have been expected to know this beforehand). WARNING "LONG SENTENCE" :rolleyes::whistle:

Not any great knowledge, I stated that were I the lady involved, I might take offense. And I would. And it's up to her as to what degree of "friendly asides" she wishes to tolerate.
 
The tenuous link to the OP is that I do feel my physical and mental health is under threat being pushed to do more than I believe is fair for a guy my age and weight, "but the good news is, no one would be really interested in discovering all the details should I suddenly pop my clogs"! . :whistle:

When you start with [but the good news] do you mean posters on this forum or family members?

You began with expecting a young female worker not wanting to divulge info about herself & are now posting about what you don't feel is fair.

Do you think it's possible that your co-workers might think you might not be carrying your share of the work to be done?
 
When you start with [but the good news] do you mean posters on this forum or family members?
You began with expecting a young female worker not wanting to divulge info about herself & are now posting about what you don't feel is fair.
Do you think it's possible that your co-workers might think you might not be carrying your share of the work to be done?
Firstly you are quite right as to whether I'm not carrying my fair share of the work compared to this young woman!
I've suggested to the head office that her name be put forward by local management for the "worker of the month award", so impressed am I by her. However, I have to tell you, in her young, or mid twenties, with an athletic background she says, (she's divulged that much), I'm not about to be able to keep up with her any time soon at my age and being very considerably overweight too, so maybe three times her age, and roughly twice her weight to carry around, (perhaps we should she how well she goes with a hundred weight sack on her back?).
You've lost me with the question about my use of the phrase "but the good news", do I have to seek it out, or will you accept my guess I was using a rhetorical flourish? :unsure:.
 
"but the good news is, no one would be really interested in discovering all the details should I suddenly pop my clogs"

When you start with [but the good news] do you mean posters on this forum or family members?

I was trying to minimize.
 
"but the good news is, no one would be really interested in discovering all the details should I suddenly pop my clogs"
When you start with [but the good news] do you mean posters on this forum or family members?
I was trying to minimize.
I'm with you now, I think I was trying and failing obviously, to use irony to make a point about how little my work colleagues maybe care about my welfare, or the welfare of other workers, given some gung ho attitudes towards health and safety, (I really wont go into those here, but will make my views known at the appropriate time, and in the right way so as to minimise the effects upon our very good, honest and efficient agency, who have been more than fair with me over many years).
 
Not any great knowledge, I stated that were I the lady involved, I might take offense. And I would. And it's up to her as to what degree of "friendly asides" she wishes to tolerate.
Indeed it is up to her what she wishes to tolerate, as it is for anyone of course, and if I were her I wouldn't be too enamoured with the "other irresistible force" watching soft porn on his phone during our meagre break times, (not sure what she thinks of it, "I daren't ask"!).

Looking forward to another exciting week at work obviously now, "what could possibly go wrong"! :rolleyes::unsure::whistle::giggle:
 
Quick update,.........., all went well, young "irresistible force" showed her sweet nature almost all of the working day, revealed details about her impressive sporting past, tolerated my need to stop more often than usually permitted due to my weight, age, new to shift work, not good in evenings anyway, etc. so a very happy story or outcome for you all to read after the weekend to recuperate and face the new week, "UNTIL" irresistible force number two got involved by his hot line mobile phone to the young girl, on which he seems to monitor every move we've made during the day, "on a relatively simple cleaning job"!

"Divide and rule", "Blame culture", "Control Freakery", all to manage a smallish contract, on the agencies behalf, and on my behalf earn a few quid without finishing myself off.

Sorry I couldn't give you the happy ending we all desire, (I'd taken steps to inform higher management of the situation and this did seem to be working up until the last hour, as you've read, but there we are, (it dos mean "there'll be another instalment tomorrow"! :rolleyes::giggle: )
 
Latest installment,..............., its not getting any better I'm afraid (n):whistle:!

"Irresistible force" number one, well if its possible things have got worse, he's the guy who thinks the fact you're being paid, (as he is of course), means he can ask you or tell you to do anything, and you have to do it, (yes we actually ended up in a discussion as to the actions of commandants in concentrations camps and whether the defence stands up, "I was just doing what I was told or paid to do",applies to those people,
rather than whether or not what you were being asked to do was/is "reasonable"?

If this situation lasts one more day it will be a very strange miracle wont it, and for my part I admit to refusing his request/demand I give him the disinfectant bottle, "whilst I was just finishing off using it", (I know petty on my part, and out of order too, but by this stage we've had a difficult discussion as to whether "at my age/weight/state of health" the same should be expected of me as another member of staff, and he'd given me every b******t justification for being totally blinkered, and ignoring my health and welfare.

Oh, and I did make a point of mentioning the attitude being shown towards health and safety regulations as often as I could, and when we finally got to our break after five hours, I did ask the question, "Does anyone know where the defibrillator is", (no one did btw, just in case two hugely over weight old men "putting one another's blood pressure up" might be in need of one :rolleyes:!).

All this grief for a fairly modest salary, but I must say I feel better, "as an immovable object worthy of the name", for the way I've stuck up to two "irresistible forces"! :)
 
Latest installment,..............., its not getting any better I'm afraid (n):whistle:!

"Irresistible force" number one, well if its possible things have got worse, he's the guy who thinks the fact you're being paid, (as he is of course), means he can ask you or tell you to do anything, and you have to do it, (yes we actually ended up in a discussion as to the actions of commandants in concentrations camps and whether the defence stands up, "I was just doing what I was told or paid to do",applies to those people,
rather than whether or not what you were being asked to do was/is "reasonable"?

If this situation lasts one more day it will be a very strange miracle wont it, and for my part I admit to refusing his request/demand I give him the disinfectant bottle, "whilst I was just finishing off using it", (I know petty on my part, and out of order too, but by this stage we've had a difficult discussion as to whether "at my age/weight/state of health" the same should be expected of me as another member of staff, and he'd given me every b******t justification for being totally blinkered, and ignoring my health and welfare.

Oh, and I did make a point of mentioning the attitude being shown towards health and safety regulations as often as I could, and when we finally got to our break after five hours, I did ask the question, "Does anyone know where the defibrillator is", (no one did btw, just in case two hugely over weight old men "putting one another's blood pressure up" might be in need of one :rolleyes:!).

All this grief for a fairly modest salary, but I must say I feel better, "as an immovable object worthy of the name", for the way I've stuck up to two "irresistible forces"! :)

Good! this calls for a song!

 

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