Leave Hong Kong before it’s too late

mellowyellow

mellowyellow

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Simon Cheng, a former British consulate employee, and now an exiled campaigner. Photograph: Hannah McKay/Reuters

Aragon starts work on Monday as an estate agent in London, focused on finding clients who want to move to Britain’s capital from his home city of Hong Kong, a move he made himself four months ago.

His job is one of the first created by a new visa scheme that opens today, giving millions of Hong Kong residents the right to move to Britain and eventually seek citizenship, in response to a Chinese government crackdown in the city………

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...-too-late-say-those-who-now-call-britain-home
 

I feel sorry for the people in HK and China.

Did hear on the news last night that China is no longer recognizing the new Visas.
 
A rhetorical question to ponder (i.e. not expecting an answer, since there are the obvious answers of economics, we want what you have, etc. - but just to get us to think more deeply on this issue):

Why do people need to control other people instead of just getting on with their own lives?

Tony
 

tbeltrans said:
A rhetorical question to ponder (i.e. not expecting an answer, since there are the obvious answers of economics, we want what you have, etc. - but just to get us to think more deeply on this issue):

Why do people need to control other people instead of just getting on with their own lives?

Tony
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Would guess the folks don't have any of their own life issues...other than "control issues".
 
mellowyellow said:
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Simon Cheng, a former British consulate employee, and now an exiled campaigner. Photograph: Hannah McKay/Reuters

Aragon starts work on Monday as an estate agent in London, focused on finding clients who want to move to Britain’s capital from his home city of Hong Kong, a move he made himself four months ago.

His job is one of the first created by a new visa scheme that opens today, giving millions of Hong Kong residents the right to move to Britain and eventually seek citizenship, in response to a Chinese government crackdown in the city………

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...-too-late-say-those-who-now-call-britain-home
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OK! Nice idea but I think the UK is crowded enough. Spent 2 months in 2019 driving in Cornwall, Wales, Scotland, Orkneys & Ireland. Can the UK handle millions & millions of more people. I don't know because I live in a small Canadian town of 2,000 souls where the only noise are the snowmobiles in the winter. If you watch the BBC news, like I do, you will find out that the UK has a lot more trouble than dustbins on the street. It's getting to be a crowded country since all those immigrants flooded from "other places." However, some would say, "The More the Merrier." I'd like to read some feedback about this issue from someone that actually lives in the UK. I'm a Canadian so I figure, "it's none of my business."
 
Packerjohn said:
OK! Nice idea but I think the UK is crowded enough. Spent 2 months in 2019 driving in Cornwall, Wales, Scotland, Orkneys & Ireland. Can the UK handle millions & millions of more people. I don't know because I live in a small Canadian town of 2,000 souls where the only noise are the snowmobiles in the winter. If you watch the BBC news, like I do, you will find out that the UK has a lot more trouble than dustbins on the street. It's getting to be a crowded country since all those immigrants flooded from "other places." However, some would say, "The More the Merrier." I'd like to read some feedback about this issue from someone that actually lives in the UK. I'm a Canadian so I figure, "it's none of my business."
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The reaction to Boris Johnson's invitation to 4 Million people from Hong Kong to settle in the UK was met with horror by many people. We are struggling already with the problems of over-crowding...the health service, schools and the police cannot cope, we are running out of land to build on.
One of the reasons why traditional Labour voters voted Tory at the next election was because they promised to cut immigration. It's the people lower down the social scale who have to suffer the consequences of uncontrolled immigration, and they thought Boris Johnson was more aware of the problems.
He made a promise and now he has to go through with it. Racism is already a big problem and it will only get worse.
 
tbeltrans said:
A rhetorical question to ponder (i.e. not expecting an answer, since there are the obvious answers of economics, we want what you have, etc. - but just to get us to think more deeply on this issue):

Why do people need to control other people instead of just getting on with their own lives?

Tony
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They have been raised in a domination society and see that as the only way to get and maintain power/prestige/wealth/etc...

For an interesting examination of the differences between domination societies and partnership (cooperation) societies I highly recommend reading The Power of Partnership by Riane Eisler.
 
asp3 said:
They have been raised in a domination society and see that as the only way to get and maintain power/prestige/wealth/etc...

For an interesting examination of the differences between domination societies and partnership (cooperation) societies I highly recommend reading The Power of Partnership by Riane Eisler.
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Thanks asp3. A few folks have answered my question even though it was intentionally rhetoric. I do understand much of the dynamics behind the question I asked and felt that others here might also, which is why I intended it to be rhetoric so as to avoid running over this well traveled territory. To me, there is a lot to human dynamics and that creates complex situations that transcend single solution answers, and felt that raising the question to simply ponder might be interesting for some here. I may have to check out your recommended reading though, so I appreciate that.

Tony
 
Rosemarie said:
The reaction to Boris Johnson's invitation to 4 Million people from Hong Kong to settle in the UK was met with horror by many people. We are struggling already with the problems of over-crowding...the health service, schools and the police cannot cope, we are running out of land to build on.
One of the reasons why traditional Labour voters voted Tory at the next election was because they promised to cut immigration. It's the people lower down the social scale who have to suffer the consequences of uncontrolled immigration, and they thought Boris Johnson was more aware of the problems.
He made a promise and now he has to go through with it. Racism is already a big problem and it will only get worse.
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Thanks for you input, Rosemarie. What Boris Johnson said is very much the same as our Prime Minister, Justin Trudeau, said a couple of years ago: "We welcome everyone!" However, the leaders of our country who are often born with a "silver spoon" in their mouths may not be aware of the consequences for the country. You are right, the schools, roads, garbage pickup & hospitals cannot keep up. A couple of years ago, we had a very silly situation where our Royal Canadian Mounties were helping to carry the suitcases for illegal immigrants that were crossing farm fields to escape from Donald Trump's USA to enter Canada illegally. While Trump wanted to get rid of "foreigners", our Trudeau welcomed them. I agree, racism will become a bigger issue in Canada because many immigrants are here to demand their rights rather than try to "fit in" to the Canadian lifestyle. That is not all immigrants but the truth is that no country can take in everyone in this world who does not want to live where they are born.
 
Packerjohn said:
Thanks for you input, Rosemarie. What Boris Johnson said is very much the same as our Prime Minister, Justin Trudeau, said a couple of years ago: "We welcome everyone!" However, the leaders of our country who are often born with a "silver spoon" in their mouths may not be aware of the consequences for the country. You are right, the schools, roads, garbage pickup & hospitals cannot keep up. A couple of years ago, we had a very silly situation where our Royal Canadian Mounties were helping to carry the suitcases for illegal immigrants that were crossing farm fields to escape from Donald Trump's USA to enter Canada illegally. While Trump wanted to get rid of "foreigners", our Trudeau welcomed them. I agree, racism will become a bigger issue in Canada because many immigrants are here to demand their rights rather than try to "fit in" to the Canadian lifestyle. That is not all immigrants but the truth is that no country can take in everyone in this world who does not want to live where they are born.
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My sentiment to a T.
 
OTOH, pretty much everyone in Canada AND the U.S. is an immigrant.........

It's pretty well established by numerous studies that immigrants energize a country's economy and add measurable profit to the tax base.

As the populations age, having younger emigres is a positive, not a negative. We would not be typing on affordable computers, having an electronic discussion that effortlessly transcends state and country borders, without immigrants.
 
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