grahamg
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You dont want to then(?).
How holy are we becoming, (well I'm okay obviously), but,....?
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grahamg
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Although citing Hitler versus Mother Theresa might be taking your argument too far!
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Holy? IDK. I know I'm facing something I cannot control and that makes me frightened and ballistic. I do pray a lot more now because I feel so scared and helpless and I have so much empty time. Living in the USA is adding to this, and I would go, but I cannot. No one can leave anymore.
I was always a caring person. Now, like many others, I'm not so nice. I put myself and mine first like everybody else. I don't experience people being kind and giving and helpful as they were before the pandemic because they're afraid for themselves. So, sadly, I am not a better person now. It would take more courage than I can summon.
I was always a caring person. Now, like many others, I'm not so nice. I put myself and mine first like everybody else. I don't experience people being kind and giving and helpful as they were before the pandemic because they're afraid for themselves. So, sadly, I am not a better person now. It would take more courage than I can summon.
grahamg
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That's just maybe a harsh judgement you're making on yourself there I suspect, (or choose to believe anyway
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Ruby Rose
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Thank you for that interlude...there I was up and dancing and singing again.
Old Dummy
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Interesting post. Has this all happened just recently?
There are exceptions to every rule.Although citing Hitler versus Mother Theresa might be taking your argument too far!
Live by the Golden Rule and accept 'to each his own' is a good base.
As far as people like a Hitler is concerned, no matter what you do there is always a chance for evil. We fight it my making 'good' stronger. That's how we defeated it in 1945.
Very recent...a matter of days....may be weeks now
I've studied for years...pretty deep
Just to prove or disprove the validity of a biblical god
Found the answers thru the prophecies of Daniel, and comparison with the book of Revelation
Then
Pretty much did what I thought to be right
Never caught how nothing good is of me
Praying (daily) for Him to be in me
..as Paul says 'I die daily'
And that's it
The peace and happiness that wells within me is inexplicable
It can't help but generate faith
...and that faith creates answered prayers
Unbelievable to me, for many years
No more
I do believe
grahamg
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To each is own may be a "golden rule", though it doesn't necessarily negate all other rules in my view, (like we can all try to get a bit better sometimes, even if we slip up very often).
grahamg
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Old Dummy
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To each is own may be a "golden rule", though it doesn't necessarily negate all other rules in my view, (like we can all try to get a bit better sometimes, even if we slip up very often).
THE Golden Rule says: "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you."
I cannot forget in grade school, the teacher handed out a 12" ruler to each of us and it had THE Golden Rule embossed on it. That would never happen today and the saying would be considered "extremist" because of its origin.
Old Dummy
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Having been raised by very religious parents, and noticing other religious people throughout my life, I've noticed that they always have some inner peace that shows through at times.
I've been looking for that for decades now, but have never found/felt it. Not sure I ever will, but I'm happy for you.
drifter
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I am somewhat Holy. Don’t know I need to be more so. Had two knives jabbed into me
and one razor-like wire. I’m completely aired out and bled out. Holy enough already.
Don’t need to be addressed as “Your Holiness.” Drifter will do as I’m now moving on.
Drifting on before someone takes offense.
and one razor-like wire. I’m completely aired out and bled out. Holy enough already.
Don’t need to be addressed as “Your Holiness.” Drifter will do as I’m now moving on.
Drifting on before someone takes offense.
I'm gonna offer something
(note; I hate...I mean HATE anyone preaching, urging, or getting in my face/space on the subject of religion. or anything else, for that matter)
If you ask Him, he will fill that empty spot to overflowing
I could give texts and such, but, I am of the feeling this ain't the place
Yer welcome to PM me
grahamg
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This was written by my mother btw, and I found it in some of her papers, along with poems including one about what she wished us all to think of her after she died, (I've taken a few words from the end of that poem for her gravestone,: "May my love comfort you", and it has you know, far more than ever expected.
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fuzzybuddy
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No. No NO. It's send a dollar to Saint Fuzzybuddy, and then pray your sock is found.Saint Fuzzybuddy - finder of that lost sock.
Pray to Saint Fuzzybuddy and send a dollar to your favorite charity and that lost sock will magically reappear from wherever lost socks go, never to be lost again - until the next time you do your laundry. But never fear, Saint Fuzzybuddy is never too far to help find that lost sock again.
Tony
tbeltrans
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grahamg
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Precis of my mothers questions and my thoughts as to possible answers:
What is the meaning of life, (or "Why are we here on Earth?)?
GG, Not certain, but could settle for enjoying life, and doing more good than any harm, as a good start !
My mothers view fits into the category "No one knows",
(and echoes a view once put forward by a very respected boss of mine about what were the secrets to success in business or management, "There is no secret he used to tell people", whilst exuding confidence, ability to inspire others, grab their attention etc., so he wss doing abit of good for some of us, "Dull Pennies"!)
Where did we all come from would you say?
GG, I'm fully on board with everything Darwinism has uncovered, though accept my mothers view there is more to know, or learn as we go along.
Is the purpose of life to render service and comfort to our fellow men, in order that all shall be better off?
GG, My mother has challenged me here, she certainly told me she did her best, and whatever failings I once focused upon, have been eclipsed by all the good things she tried to do, her stickability as she called it, not waivering too much from the straight and narrow path etc.
Quote:
"We do not know before till after, and then it is too late".
My mothers prose again for you to admire:
What is the meaning of life, (or "Why are we here on Earth?)?
GG, Not certain, but could settle for enjoying life, and doing more good than any harm, as a good start !
My mothers view fits into the category "No one knows",
(and echoes a view once put forward by a very respected boss of mine about what were the secrets to success in business or management, "There is no secret he used to tell people", whilst exuding confidence, ability to inspire others, grab their attention etc., so he wss doing abit of good for some of us, "Dull Pennies"!)
Where did we all come from would you say?
GG, I'm fully on board with everything Darwinism has uncovered, though accept my mothers view there is more to know, or learn as we go along.
Is the purpose of life to render service and comfort to our fellow men, in order that all shall be better off?
GG, My mother has challenged me here, she certainly told me she did her best, and whatever failings I once focused upon, have been eclipsed by all the good things she tried to do, her stickability as she called it, not waivering too much from the straight and narrow path etc.
Quote:
"We do not know before till after, and then it is too late".
My mothers prose again for you to admire:
tbeltrans
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That is why we are now looked on as old farts - to many, these ideas are merely clichés from a bygone era while to us, they are still very much a part of our lives.
Of course, back in the 60s, we changed some of these sayings too:
Instead of "love they neighbor as thyself" ... "love thy neighbor but don't get caught"
Instead of "do unto others as you would have them do unto you" ... "do unto others before they do unto you".
Personally, I believe that the unraveling of society in our country we see today had at least some of its roots in the 1960s. What is really disconcerting to me these days is that this unraveling seems to be picking up speed and intensity. I don't know if that is my perspective because I see things changing faster as I age or because things really are getting that bad.
Tony
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I agree, things are coming apart quickly and I am very pessimistic about America's future.
IMO it goes back to the beginning of civilization: the battle of good vs. evil.
How I view it: We can live, to the best of our abilities, with The Golden Rule and the Ten Commandments as a basis for society (as Western civilization was founded) or we can live under humanism and secularism -- which have a very dark and bloody history.
And I say this as a "devout agnostic." I'll take my chances with "an invisible man that lives up in the sky" and his rules, vs. Man's rules. The history of both ways is known.
tbeltrans
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The reason I said it as I did, knowing well that many cultures have come apart over the course of human history, is that in the 1960s, people tore down the social norms and rules that we lived by and didn't replace these with anything. From that time on, it has seemed to me that we have largely been like a rudderless ship, with each successive generation having to invent their own rules. Unfortunately for whatever reason, political correctness has taken hold to the point well past being useful.
Anyway, the scope of my comments was limited to recent history, rather than the history of the human race. So, while I am not disagreeing with you, I am clarifying my earlier post since it was apparently not very clear.
Tony
Irwin
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I prefer the rule of altruistic reciprocity to the standard Golden Rule:
What is hateful to you, do not do to your fellow.
It's like the doctor's creed: 1st, do no harm, or something like that.
In other words, above all else, don't do bad things. If you can, do good things, but don't do bad things.
What is hateful to you, do not do to your fellow.
It's like the doctor's creed: 1st, do no harm, or something like that.
In other words, above all else, don't do bad things. If you can, do good things, but don't do bad things.
grahamg
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There was a saying used often by "Gunner Leigh", who worked as a builder in civilian life, after having done national service in Korea, and he worked for my father for many years, when I was a child.
"You die if you worry, you die if you don't, so why worry"!
(there is a message to try to be optimistic in there I'd say).
grahamg
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Another saying Gunner Leigh used quite often referring to my father was: "Have another gorilla dad",
(his name for "Capstan Full Strength" cigarettes and after a few years of smoking a few of those, pus his own cigarettes, and occasionally a pipe too, my father lost his voice for three months, causing him to pretty much give up cigarettes, only having the occasional cigar thereafter, so a good outcome for our family, but Gunner Leigh didn't concern himself about his full strength cigarettes, having survived the Korean war!).