What are your thoughts on abortion?

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Denise1952

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I feel there are "some" reasons for it, special circumstances. I won't say what at this time because I am not firm on what I would say is a "special" circumstance.

What I am against, and feel is wrong in so many ways, is the "rights" of the mother "always" coming before the "rights" of an unborn child.

On the last count I could find, 37,236,436 per year, and this is worldwide from this site: http://www.worldometers.info/abortions/

I'm not saying this site is right, I was just looking for a number, that I would figure was close.

I also wonder why there isn't more concern in these political debates/talks etc. when I can't see how people can believe a baby isn't human, or alive when my sister even tells me how after a few weeks she could feel the baby kick.

Ok, I'll throw this out there, I know it's a heavy topic but I don't understand why we talk about all this other horrendous stuff, and skip abortion??
 

IMO It's STRICTLY up to the woman; it's HER body; she can do with it whatever she wants.

I'm fully aware of all the ramifications surrounding the subject. But you asked and that's my response.
 

I don't think any woman should ever have to have a baby she doesn't want. I don't think any baby should have to be born to a mother who doesn't want it.
 
It came up briefly in the Terrorist thread... and I refused to debate it.. and will not get into a "when does life begin" or a personhood debate. It is my feeling that the decision belongs to the woman. I may not have made that choice personally, but I would never impose my views on another woman. That is NOT my right.. I cannot understand why people think they have the right to do so.
 
I think a woman has a right to choose. It's not my business or anyone else's. However, I do get annoyed when people say it's her body. It isn't only hers, it's also the body of the person she is carrying.
 
Falcon said:
Curious. Why this topic again? As Seabreeze mentioned, we've done it before.

Just wondering.
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Slightly off topic, but...

Being relatively new to this forum, I find it difficult to post a new thread, because I have to first search through
the archives and find out if the subject has already been discussed. Some forums discourage resurrecting old threads
and they will often be closed after some time. I'd be curious to know what the policy is here, so I don't make anyone angry.:)
 
There is no problem at all resurrecting old threads here, in fact it makes it easier to search and read about specific topics. I linked to the past thread here, because my opinions were already shared there, and there were some good discussion and links that folks may be interested in...and the poll too, which is open for voting.
 
Ameriscot said:
I think a woman has a right to choose. It's not my business or anyone else's. However, I do get annoyed when people say it's her body. It isn't only hers, it's also the body of the person she is carrying.
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I see it this way as well, I also can understand "maybe" why people don't want to talk about it. It's beyond horrible, so maybe it easier to turn our heads and let the unnecessary deaths continue. I guess I am a bit shocked already, at those here that don't see a baby as having a life that deserves protection, as much as anyone elses.

I am as guilty as anyone else, turning away rather then to look at ask, what can we do to change this. I know there is no convincing someone that has made up their mind with a clear conscience. I'm grateful to you Ameriscot, for speaking up for the life that is living within a woman. I just want to say again, I believe there are good reasons for an abortion, but it is not because someone had sex, and oops, forgot to use some contraception. So who pays for that mistake, an innocent child.

I also am dead set against the equally horrible tactics of killing doctors etc. You would think a world full of seemingly advanced mentalities could come up with better ways than needless deaths.
 
rkunsaw said:
Only the woman knows all of her circumstance so only she should decide. It's not my decision to make. it's not your decision to make and it sure as hell isn't the governments.
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If Obama had his way the government would make all the rules re abortion.
 
Can anyone answer why a person would think the baby is not a living, human being, and if not, what then. Something less then human so we discard it with the rest of the medical waste? I'd love someone to prove to me that it is not a human being we are killing, I'd love to be wrong. When does life start, and what about partial birth, have any of you seen this procedure, can you tell me it was just a blob of protoplasm that was coming out of the womb?

Again, I can see why some won't talk about this, if I am right about life starting at a few weeks, who wants to admit we are killing millions of human beings every year but yet we can point the finger at "murderers" and terrorist, whole other deal right.

Maybe some of you even think like scrooge, they aren't worth anything yet, so decrease the surplus population. Of all the people in the world I would seek wisdom from, it's the elders. I doubt many will touch this, and not to forget we already talked about it, although I wasn't hear then because I would have been in on that one.
 
Yes... I have answers to the points you raise... I have arguments... and legal facts... However, I am NOT getting into this debate with you. I have been in many of these debates and they get very ugly.. nobody changes their mind, and the discussion ususally keeps going round in circles.. with dead horses being beaten..and people getting bent out of shape. I can already feel the emotionality in your post. I stated my opinion up thread and that's as far as I'm going.
 
QuickSilver said:
Yes... I have answers to the points you raise... I have arguments... and legal facts... However, I am NOT getting into this debate with you. I have been in many of these debates and they get very ugly.. nobody changes their mind, and the discussion ususally keeps going round in circles.. with dead horses being beaten..and people getting bent out of shape. I can already feel the emotionality in your post. I stated my opinion up thread and that's as far as I'm going.
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Like I said before, I can understand why many would not want to discuss it. There are different reasons, I realize that, one being There is more then enough legitimate proof life starts and a few weeks, I mean the baby start developing from just an embryo, into a human child. You are right that no one would win the debate, but I'm sure that the proof that we have available would more the prove we are allowing babies to be killed by the millions. Proof isn't enough anymore, it's how many "believe" whether right or wrong, majority wins right.

I will leave it to each persons conscience. One thing I am sure of, one day justice will be done, just as I am sure those were and will be punished that have wrongfully murdered. I am just feeling sad for our country right now, that we would not take the time to talk about it, and worse, sweep it under the rug. Maybe this isn't the place to talk about it, on the other hand, with such a wide variety of people, from all walks of life maybe some good would have come from it.
 
QS said it well. No one ever "wins" in an argument about this topic. Emotion... religious beliefs... political leanings... so much comes into play that each and every person has strong feelings about. The argument seems to never get settled. The pendulum swings too far both ways. One side pushes the "life begins at conception" concept. Hence, the 'morning after' pill is considered abortion. That side also invokes caveats into law that set rules about distance from hospitals, waiting periods, counseling by those opposed, etc. The other side pushes the pendulum the other way, saying it is the woman's right clear into the third trimester. Some accept the rape/incest exclusion. Others do not.

The Good Lord created us as humans... not the "all knowing". He kept some things to himself, which we will not have the answers for until we enter the next life. One of those mysteries is when does he breathe the breath of life into a human being. I can't answer that and will not attempt to.

Most of the politicians making the laws have never walked in the shoes of an impregnated rape victim or a severely handicapped female who was impregnated or someone carrying a Thalidomide baby. They legislate to maintain a voting block rather than from reality. I have an opinion, but will not share it here. My opinion is my business, just as is the opinion of a lady who has just found out she is pregnant. It's opinion only. None of that counts, since any aspect of abortion is now covered by a plethora of legislation and reams of court decisions.
 
These are no excuses to ignore, or just sweep it under the rug, but it is more comfortable. Like I said, I understand. Many other things are discussed here that no one ever agrees on, but evidently abortion is one not even the most close-minded are not willing to take on. My conscience is clear, at least for trying to discuss it with people, maybe learn some things I don't know about it, and maybe teach some a few things they didn't know.

I'm gone, and when I say I'm gone from a thread, I mean it. Do with it what you want.
 
Ideally, a woman would have safe sex by using any method of birth control that is available these days, and not get pregnant to begin with. Having the baby and giving it up for adoption to a couple who can't have children is the next best thing in my opinion. But, if she wants to have an abortion, it should be her personal choice, and one that I'm sure is very hard to make. I personally have never had an abortion.

Some people are completely against abortion for any reason, including incest, rape, or medical concerns for the baby or the mother, those are usually guided by religious/political beliefs. Some are against abortion, but allow some exceptions in certain cases.

Like Grumpy said, some don't want abortion, even at the point of conception, and don't even approve of the morning after pill. Some who are against abortion because it kills, are in favor of the death penalty, and wars which take thousands of innocent lives.

Another good point he made, was politicians wanting to make laws against abortion have never walked in the shoes of an impregnated woman who was raped, or one who finds her baby is severely handicapped. Funny, the same people who are against abortion, are also against the means to prevent abortion...birth control.

I personally would rather see a woman terminate an unwanted pregnancy, than have the baby and drown it in a toilet, or dump it in a dumpster...a situation that happens way too often, IMO. Or, the mothers who just raise the child with resentment, improper feeding, no medical attention, sometimes locked in a closet or basement, suffering years of abusive treatment.
 
Using your logic Denise, the use of condoms or the pill is preventing a human being born. Do you think we should outlaw their use?

The debate about abortion is who gets to decide. Do you think you have the right to decide what other people do? I think the woman is the only one who knows and understands her individual circumstances.

No one is promoting or encouraging abortion, but the option should be available without restriction.
 
I don't believe the decision to have an abortion is ever an easy one. Women using abortion as "birth control" is a one in a million thing. For one thing, abortion is not free.. it's between $500 and $1,000 at clinics.. not a huge amount but very difficult for a women already under financial difficulty. AND abortion is not painless. I believe all women struggle coming to the decision and it shouldn't be made more difficult with unnecessary invasive ultrasounds and the like... The bugaboo of "late term" abortion is a red herring. The vast majority of abortions are performed in the 1st trimester.. abortions done later in gestation are always due to medical conditions.. and 3rd trimester abortions are solely to save the mother or to abort a fetus that would have no chance of living through birth. And even those are very rare. As others have stated.. We have no business making decisions for others. We don't know the family, or financial situation leading to the decision to terminate. We don't know if the pregnancy was the result of rape or incest. AND it's really not anyone's business. The decision is protected by the Constitutional right to privacey between a woman and her doctor. What seems so amazing to me is that people largely in favor of smaller government have no problem extending it's reach into every woman's uterus..

As Old Man so elequently put it, there is no winning in the debate about this.. the personhood discussion combines politics and religion and is incredibley volitile. It only causes people to harden their position and become more nasty. Better to avoid that topic.
 

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