Reluctant to get vaccinated? why?

True that, as they used to say. It would make more sense to have the CEO and board responsible for paying the fines themselves. They would find a way to wriggle out of that, though.
What I'd love to see in the event a pharmaceutical company is caught lying or misleading the public in any way, shut them down forever to set an example to all others - this is what happens when you...

Then finish the job up good and proper by locking up the CEO's and executives involved, and if need be, seize every penny, every asset, every stitch of their worth.
 

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We were planning to get the vaccine from our MD but the governor pulled all the vaccine out doctors and hospitals to give it to some other organizations to supposedly speed things up and probably make himself look like he was doing something. You'd think tthey could have left some for us old folks.
 
Every time I hear the word "stimulus", I gag! :mad:

Aside from digging our countries into debt deeper, what is a pittance of a payment going to do for those who are behind on their rents, for those who haven't made mortgage payments for the past 6 months, who can't pay their heating and light bills, who can't put food on the table?

Here, I'll answer it for you, not a single thing.

$600 - $1000, big whoopty-doo! We spend that a month on groceries alone. Now, where is the additional monies to catch up on mortgage payments, car payments, food, keeping the gas and electricity on?

Where is the additional monies to cover incidentals and emergency happenings?

Where is the additional monies to pay for people's property taxes?

It's a joke, that's what it is.
I was going to respond, but I decided that I can not figure out if you want more money or less money. So, as I have asked before, could you clarify your position?
 
My "health" is an ongoing concern, and I try to take good care of it. However, in the case of this virus, the Far Bigger Picture is the steps every individual should try to take to insure the health of those around them. Since this disease appears to be so easily spread, it would seem that "responsible" people would be trying to do their small part to bring it under control....IMO. Those who chose not to do so are part of the problem.
The CDC has admitted the vaccine does not prevent transmission to others. So, the far bigger picture is that getting the vaccine does not insure the health of those around them.
 
As I understand it the govt stimulus also incIdes money for the states to help with things like peoples’ rent, utilities, child care to get the moms back to work, increase benefits for essential workers. With states contributing part also.
I used to think noble, lofty thoughts about not wanting to increase the national debt, but life is different for me now. The first 2 checks enabled me to get my 20 yr old car serviced really well. This is the last car I’ll ever have and knowing it’s going to be running as well as possible gives me a lot of peace of mind.
 
I had my second Vaccination on Saturday 0306.

I was diagnosed with carpal tunnel and arthritic thumbs in both hands. The evening of the shot, all was good, no issues. When I awoke the next morning my right hand/wrist was in a lot of pain. Wrist movement yielded a lot of pain in forearm. I went to my surgeon and they did a lot of testing and determined that the vaccine provided a lot of new and odd pains in odd locations. The thought was the excessive pain was vaccination based. After about three days the pain has left as fast as it came and all is good.

Would I do it over and take the vaccination again......?

Absolutely.
 
The CDC has admitted the vaccine does not prevent transmission to others. So, the far bigger picture is that getting the vaccine does not insure the health of those around them.

That's true. Even if a person is vaccinated, and pretty much immune, they can still come into contact with those who are Not, and be exposed to the virus via a cough or sneeze, and thus carry the virus which can then be transmitted to others. The Only way to bring this virus under control is for the vast majority to be vaccinated so they cannot spread the disease to those who are Not vaccinated.
 
Murr, please, these pharmaceutical companies did not kill anyone who overdosed on opiods and that kind of logic befuddles me. Gun manufacturers do not kill victims of gunshots either, but a lot of people seem to think so. Including some judges and juries.
The legal complaint was/is that pharma intentionally minimized the addictive level of opioid drugs, and rewarded physicians and hospitals for prescribing opioids freely and/or unnecessarily and over lengthy periods of time when it was originally intended for temporary use. Rather directly or indirectly, "big pharma" is considered complicit in deaths caused by overdose and/or addiction to opioids. That's according to attorneys handling class-action and personal lawsuits. There's more specific info online.
 
The legal complaint was/is that pharma intentionally minimized the addictive level of opioid drugs, and rewarded physicians and hospitals for prescribing opioids freely and/or unnecessarily and over lengthy periods of time when it was originally intended for temporary use. Rather directly or indirectly, "big pharma" is considered complicit in deaths caused by overdose and/or addiction to opioids. That's according to attorneys handling class-action and personal lawsuits. There's more specific info online.

Doctors Firmly in the hip pockets of the drug companies has been a problem for decades. For several years, an organization call ProPublica has been tracking these payments and there is No shortage of doctors who have become wealthy from their drug "kickbacks".

https://projects.propublica.org/docdollars/
 
Doctors Firmly in the hip pockets of the drug companies has been a problem for decades. For several years, an organization call ProPublica has been tracking these payments and there is No shortage of doctors who have become wealthy from their drug "kickbacks".

https://projects.propublica.org/docdollars/
Doctors get kickbacks, known as incentives, for all the medicines they prescribe. I remember when my doctor wanted me to take a certain diabetic medicine, he was pushing it on all his patients 😂
 
Every time I hear the word "stimulus", I gag! :mad:

Aside from digging our countries into debt deeper, what is a pittance of a payment going to do for those who are behind on their rents, for those who haven't made mortgage payments for the past 6 months, who can't pay their heating and light bills, who can't put food on the table?

Here, I'll answer it for you, not a single thing.

$600 - $1000, big whoopty-doo! We spend that a month on groceries alone. Now, where is the additional monies to catch up on mortgage payments, car payments, food, keeping the gas and electricity on?

Where is the additional monies to cover incidentals and emergency happenings?

Where is the additional monies to pay for people's property taxes?

It's a joke, that's what it is.
Yeah, but think how much it's helped those truly in need by calling it a relief bill. :mad:

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Stories like this don't seem to get much more than local coverage these days... Ever wonder why? :mad:

Kassidi Kurill, a mother of one from Ogden, received the vaccine due to her work as a surgical tech for several plastic surgeons, KUTV reported.
“She was absolutely fine with getting it. In fact, she told all of us, ‘It’s fine, you guys should all get it,’” her father, Alfred Hawley, told the outlet.
Kurill reportedly experienced a sore arm after the first dose of Moderna, but had no other noticeable side effects. Things took a sudden and tragic turn after her second dose on February 1st. While she was in bed all day Tuesday and Wednesday, it wasn’t until Thursday morning she knew something was wrong. She woke up early, got ready, and asked her dad to drive her to the local emergency room, where they arrived by 7 a.m.
“She came in early and said her heart was racing and she felt like she needed to get to the emergency room,” Hawley said.
When they arrived at the ER, Kurill was throwing up. Her father told doctors his daughter had just received her second shot.
“They did a blood test and immediately came back and said she was very, very sick, and her liver was not functioning,” he told KUTV.
Kurill’s older sister Kristin, who lives in Arizona, said she knew her sister had gone to the hospital, but the speed at which she deteriorated was “so unexpected.”
 
Yeah, but think how much it's helped those truly in need by calling it a relief bill. :mad:

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In our state, no work, no welfare -generalizations don’t work for me.

Bail out “blue” states-you meant states they are going broke because the “red” party failed to act to protect the people of the USA from Covid? Yes, let’s not give medical care to illegal immigrants let them die in the street, in your front yard I suppose so you can watch.

I could go on, but I won’t. Call it whatever you want a rose by any other name is still a rose. And veterans in this country still die waiting for the VA appointment that would save their life. There are more important things to harp on than this.
 
I could go on, but I won’t. Call it whatever you want a rose by any other name is still a rose. And veterans in this country still die waiting for the VA appointment that would save their life. There are more important things to harp on than this.

You were right about one thing,
Don't want to go political here, but, looking at the Billions being spent elsewhere under the guise of covid relief is just ludicrous.
I see money that could be better spent on the VA than where it is currently headed. :mad:
 
Stories like this don't seem to get much more than local coverage these days... Ever wonder why? :mad:

Kassidi Kurill, a mother of one from Ogden, received the vaccine due to her work as a surgical tech for several plastic surgeons, KUTV reported.
“She was absolutely fine with getting it. In fact, she told all of us, ‘It’s fine, you guys should all get it,’” her father, Alfred Hawley, told the outlet.
Kurill reportedly experienced a sore arm after the first dose of Moderna, but had no other noticeable side effects. Things took a sudden and tragic turn after her second dose on February 1st. While she was in bed all day Tuesday and Wednesday, it wasn’t until Thursday morning she knew something was wrong. She woke up early, got ready, and asked her dad to drive her to the local emergency room, where they arrived by 7 a.m.
“She came in early and said her heart was racing and she felt like she needed to get to the emergency room,” Hawley said.
When they arrived at the ER, Kurill was throwing up. Her father told doctors his daughter had just received her second shot.
“They did a blood test and immediately came back and said she was very, very sick, and her liver was not functioning,” he told KUTV.
Kurill’s older sister Kristin, who lives in Arizona, said she knew her sister had gone to the hospital, but the speed at which she deteriorated was “so unexpected.”
This is probably why:

VAERS shows 92 mil doses of the vaccines were administered from Dec. 14th to March 8th VAERS received 1,637 reports of deaths (0.0018%). No evidence of vaccine contribution has been evidenced.

https://vaers.hhs.gov/data.html
 
The state of Illinois was voted the third most corrupt state in the U.S.
Chicago was voted the most corrupt city in the U.S.
The State and City have been so mismanaged for decades that it is Billions of dollars in debt.
Illinois was broke before covid, yet they are getting a huge federal bailout to reward them on it's mismanagement.
Why should the tax payers of Texas, Tennessee, Florida, etc. pay for the complete lack of fiscal responsibility of Illinois?
 
I'm not a "fan" of prescription drugs, and most of these "annual" vaccinations....flu, pneumonia, shingles, etc. Most of that Crap is more about making the drug companies rich, IMO. However, in the case of this CoronaVirus, I made an exception and got my 2nd Moderna shot yesterday, and, like the first shot, all I'm feeling today is a very minor "itch" on my arm.

The primary reason why I'm taking this vaccine seriously is because of the extreme effect it's having on our economy and the huge number of people who have lost their jobs, etc. I feel it's my responsibility to do whatever I can to help return everything back to normal, and a bit of minor pain for a day or two is a small sacrifice if it helps end this mess.
If you could guarantee that everyone will only have "a bit of minor pain" I'm pretty sure the vast majority of people would sign up. But you can't. I know a guy who's mother in law got a pulmonary embolism right after her second shot. PE is listed as a possible side effect of the Pfizer vaccine.
 
If you could guarantee that everyone will only have "a bit of minor pain" I'm pretty sure the vast majority of people would sign up. But you can't. I know a guy who's mother in law got a pulmonary embolism right after her second shot. PE is listed as a possible side effect of the Pfizer vaccine.
That's as scary as it gets.
 
The state of Illinois was voted the third most corrupt state in the U.S.
Chicago was voted the most corrupt city in the U.S.
The State and City have been so mismanaged for decades that it is Billions of dollars in debt.
Illinois was broke before covid, yet they are getting a huge federal bailout to reward them on it's mismanagement.
Why should the tax payers of Texas, Tennessee, Florida, etc. pay for the complete lack of fiscal responsibility of Illinois?
Yup, let them eat cake 😂
 
If you could guarantee that everyone will only have "a bit of minor pain" I'm pretty sure the vast majority of people would sign up. But you can't. I know a guy who's mother in law got a pulmonary embolism right after her second shot. PE is listed as a possible side effect of the Pfizer vaccine.
And yet lots of people got pulmonary embolisms before there was Covid and before there was a vaccine. Lots of people die from peanut allergies so I think farmers should stop planting peanuts. I am severely allergic to eggplant I think restaurants should be banned from serving it.

Life has NEVER offered any guarantees.

A major side effect of not taking the vaccine is death. But I agree, if someone does not want to take the vaccine, don’t. 😃
 
Yeah, but think how much it's helped those truly in need by calling it a relief bill. :mad:

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Context and truth are everything, but of course memes ignore context and truth because, well, they're memes.

To pick apart just one piece of this ridiculous (lying) meme. The stimulus package provides $350 Billion is to bail our ALL states, not just blue states. US population: 330 million divided by $350 billion = roughly $1.06 $1060.00 per person. A dollar and six cents. According to FOX Business,
Wyoming residents (red state) scored quite well per person: $1.36 billion for 579,000 people = $2.35 $2350.00 per person.
California (blue state) got $42.6 billion for 39.5 million people = $1.08 $1080.00 per person.
Alaska (red state) got $1.36 billion for 731,000 people = $1.86 $1860.00 per person

Corrections are above in bolded red - and a thanks to @J.B Books for pointing it out. My decimals were in the wrong place.

I'm not going to bother doing all the math. The point that this meme is BS has been proven.
https://www.foxbusiness.com/economy...l-receive-from-bidens-coronavirus-relief-bill
 

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