Serious side effects- my opinion

Becky1951

Becky1951

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Am I the only one who notices that every article relating to Covid vaccine serious side effects state how rare they are?

One state reports a few serious side effects, even possibly a death.

Another state reports similar happening a few days/weeks later.

Another state reports same days later. And so it continues.

Each article stating how rare it is.

Yes its rare when only counting how many were given the vaccine in that particular state vs how many had serious side effects in that state.

But adding all states together reporting since vaccinations began how many given the vaccine vs how many serious side effects, those serious side effects are creeping up..

Yes, you can reply with the CDC sites statistics showing those numbers they have, how many were vaccinated vs serious side effects.

But then try to remember how many times articles relating to serious side effects claim, we are investigating the serious side effects and will have updated information later.

I think their "investigating" is only investigating medical "experts" who will agree with them that their vaccines are safe with only "rare" serious side effects.

Just my opinion of it.

Those here in the forum who have not experienced serious side effects, that's great, however try to remember just because it didn't happen to you doesn't mean it's not happening or it's fake news, or someone is against vaccinations.
 

They know that most people who are wowed by "Experts" & "Professionals" tend to believe whatever they're told.
My first hint was reports about "Crowded ER's, hospitals filled to capacity, patients in beds in hallways, bodies stacked in meat trucks etc. I've taken friends to 2 ER's at 2 big hospitals in the past year. I saw absolutely NOTHING of the sort. There were 2 people in the waiting rooms, many empty beds &.........not a single meat truck outside.
And, of course I haven't forgotten our former president "Being treated for Covid & being on a ventilator," or that experimental miracle drug that cured him in 3 days & was coincidentally approved. And why aren't we hearing about that drug curing anyone else?
 

win231 said:
They know that most people who are wowed by "Experts" & "Professionals" tend to believe whatever they're told.
My first hint was reports about "Crowded ER's, hospitals filled to capacity, patients in beds in hallways, bodies stacked in meat trucks etc. I've taken friends to 2 ER's at 2 big hospitals in the past year. I saw absolutely NOTHING of the sort. There were 2 people in the waiting rooms, many empty beds &.........not a single meat truck outside.
And, of course I haven't forgotten our former president "Being treated for Covid & being on a ventilator," or that experimental miracle drug that cured him in 3 days & was coincidentally approved. And why aren't we hearing about that drug curing anyone else?
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I think that whole thing surrounding Trump getting COVID was, at minimum, staged in true P.T. Barnum fashion. I don't know that for a fact since I simply wasn't there. However, the people I know personally who have had COVID, were, in their own words, more sick than they had ever been in their lives. That description seems very consistent across the people I know personally who have had it. As for any drug associated with Trump's "cure", I think that was all a part of the medicine show, since nobody else seems to have been able to show similar results or even to have taken whatever that drug was.

Tony
 
win231 said:
They know that most people who are wowed by "Experts" & "Professionals" tend to believe whatever they're told.
My first hint was reports about "Crowded ER's, hospitals filled to capacity, patients in beds in hallways, bodies stacked in meat trucks etc. I've taken friends to 2 ER's at 2 big hospitals in the past year. I saw absolutely NOTHING of the sort. There were 2 people in the waiting rooms, many empty beds &.........not a single meat truck outside.
And, of course I haven't forgotten our former president "Being treated for Covid & being on a ventilator," or that experimental miracle drug that cured him in 3 days & was coincidentally approved. And why aren't we hearing about that drug curing anyone else?
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My nephew is an RN in NY who attested to the Covid wards being slammed and sent me a shocking video of a line-up of Covid patients, one after the other, from his hospital. If I could share it here, I would, but he texted it to me and SF doesn't permit those types of video files.

ERs being crowded - or not - tell little about what's happening inside a hospital, much like swans glide across the surface of a pond while paddling furiously beneath the surface.
 
StarSong said:
My nephew is an RN in NY who attested to the Covid wards being slammed and sent me a shocking video of a line-up of Covid patients, one after the other, from his hospital. If I could share it here, I would, but he texted it to me and SF doesn't permit those types of video files.

ERs being crowded - or not - tell little about what's happening inside a hospital, much like swans glide across the surface of a pond while paddling furiously beneath the surface.
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I'm not doubting the Covid virus, its 100% real.

As for hospitals, Covid patients were taken directly to covid wards, no visitors allowed, so of course there isn't a lot people lingering in the hospital for others to see.
Refrigerated trucks were not needed at every hospital so not seen everywhere. But they were real. 😥😥😥
 
And "Because the vaccine is doing its job, we can get back to normal."
"B-B-But we still need masks & social distancing. And businesses only 25% capacity......... Uh.....Just like before the vaccine because.....the vaccine doesn't prevent transmitting the virus to others; it might make your illness less severe."
 
The vaccine is for the individual who received it. The masks are supposed to protect other people. Recall al the talk about how an individual could be carrying the virus, but not having any symptoms and still needed to be careful about not passing it on to others. Unless everybody in the world has gotten the vaccine (assuming these really do what is claimed), mask wearing and certain travel restrictions will probably remain in place.

The truth is out there. The X Files nailed it - this whole thing is a hoax and the vaccine is really intended to prepare us for the eventual alien invasion. [Runs for cover...]

Tony
 
Becky1951 said:
Am I the only one who notices that every article relating to Covid vaccine serious side effects state how rare they are?

One state reports a few serious side effects, even possibly a death.

Another state reports similar happening a few days/weeks later.

Another state reports same days later. And so it continues.

Each article stating how rare it is.

Yes its rare when only counting how many were given the vaccine in that particular state vs how many had serious side effects in that state.

But adding all states together reporting since vaccinations began how many given the vaccine vs how many serious side effects, those serious side effects are creeping up..

Yes, you can reply with the CDC sites statistics showing those numbers they have, how many were vaccinated vs serious side effects.

But then try to remember how many times articles relating to serious side effects claim, we are investigating the serious side effects and will have updated information later.

I think their "investigating" is only investigating medical "experts" who will agree with them that their vaccines are safe with only "rare" serious side effects.

Just my opinion of it.

Those here in the forum who have not experienced serious side effects, that's great, however try to remember just because it didn't happen to you doesn't mean it's not happening or it's fake news, or someone is against vaccinations.
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Funny you mention it because I was thinking the same thing this morning.
 
tbeltrans said:
The vaccine is for the individual who received it. The masks are supposed to protect other people. Recall al the talk about how an individual could be carrying the virus, but not having any symptoms and still needed to be careful about not passing it on to others. Unless everybody in the world has gotten the vaccine (assuming these really do what is claimed), mask wearing and certain travel restrictions will probably remain in place.

The truth is out there. The X Files nailed it - this whole thing is a hoax and the vaccine is really intended to prepare us for the eventual alien invasion. [Runs for cover...]

Tony
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Well, IMO, some things are true; Covid does exist, just the flu exists. Some people die of it just like some people die of the flu. It's the numbers & exaggerations that make thinking people think.
 
When I got my shot, I asked the nurse about the vaccine and how it worked. Essentially, what she described is very similar to the work I did with AI back in the 90s. I was involved in the development of a neural network with the National Institute of Health (NIH).

They were interested in using it for discovering and tracing pandemics and various ways diseases travel through a population, while my company was interested in finding and troubleshooting network problems. For me, it was just a cool project that was different from my normal work.

Anyway, for a neural network to function, it must be trained by feeding in appropriate data and checking what it produces. You have to continually modify the data until you get expected output. If the data fed in deviates too far from what the network is expected to produce, then the code itself may need modification. We really don't know exactly what the neural network is doing between input and output, so it can be difficult to determine what code changes are required.

The way the nurse explained the vaccine to me, it is exactly like training a neural network. Signature aspects of the virus (but not the active parts) are injected into your body and the body is supposed to recognize the injected material as something to attack. In this way, the body is trained to attack the virus and prevent it from killing the host.

Whether scientists know exactly what is going on between input and output result, I don't know, but I suspect that since the virus is not 100% effective, maybe they have a similar problem that we had training a neural network.

Of course, the nurse I talked to is not a lab scientist creating the virus and what she described was probably dumbed down since I am not a medical person, so I am sure what I am saying about the virus is distantly approximate at best.

Tony
 
Ruthanne said:
All that concerns me is that numerous people I know have not had any side effects from the vaccine and I have not either so far.
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Exactly! Those not effected have no concern of others who are or will be when they get vaccinated.
So therefore, no big deal. 🙄😥
 
win231 said:
Well, IMO, some things are true; Covid does exist, just the flu exists. Some people die of it just like some people die of the flu. It's the numbers & exaggerations that make thinking people think.
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The second part of my post was a joke. Some got it...

As for the numbers, I am not a medical person and am nowhere near the action, so I can't really comment on that. I am amazed at the expertise displayed in these forums though. :)

Tony
 
Ruthanne said:
Yeah whatever you want to think...I don't care any more.😜I'm not going to live in your world of paranoia.:rolleyes:I know I'm a caring person!!
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No paranoid, being thoughtful and careful. My reply reflected your statement, "all that concerns me". So naturally that sounded non caring.
 
tbeltrans said:
The vaccine is for the individual who received it. The masks are supposed to protect other people. Recall al the talk about how an individual could be carrying the virus, but not having any symptoms and still needed to be careful about not passing it on to others. Unless everybody in the world has gotten the vaccine (assuming these really do what is claimed), mask wearing and certain travel restrictions will probably remain in place.

The truth is out there. The X Files nailed it - this whole thing is a hoax and the vaccine is really intended to prepare us for the eventual alien invasion. [Runs for cover...]

Tony
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But if you're vaccinated, you're protected aren't you? Isn't that the idea of the vaccine? So what should it matter to you or any other vaccinated person what the rest of the world does or if we are not vaccinated?

I just don't understand this and nobody ever directly answers this question for me.
 
chic said:
But if you're vaccinated, you're protected aren't you? Isn't that the idea of the vaccine? So what should it matter to you or any other vaccinated person what the rest of the world does or if we are not vaccinated?

I just don't understand this and nobody ever directly answers this question for me.
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Yeah, we hear the same sales tactic to sell flu shots: "If you don't get a flu shot, you're making other people sick." Some hospitals (like Kaiser Permanente) hang up a big banner in front of their entrance that says this.
We're not expected to use logic & figure out that if the flu shot protected anyone, they couldn't get the flu from unvaccinated people.
 
chic said:
But if you're vaccinated, you're protected aren't you? Isn't that the idea of the vaccine? So what should it matter to you or any other vaccinated person what the rest of the world does or if we are not vaccinated?

I just don't understand this and nobody ever directly answers this question for me.
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I think it's like this, until Everyone in the world is vaccinated the virus is still out there.

I think it will be out there no matter what, having to have boosters just like the flu.

It shouldn't be anyone's business if others have no desire to be vaccinated, as long as those who are vaccinated are safe from the virus. But their not 100% safe.

There are those who have medical reasons not to be vaccinated so this virus isn't going to disappear.

But you will hear, isn't it better to be vaccinated and not die of Covid?

Yep, unless your one of the ones who die from blood clots or another serious side effect.

I have blocked arteries, it wouldn't take but a tiny clot to kill me. Plus other health issues.
 
Becky1951 said:
I think it's like this, until Everyone in the world is vaccinated the virus is still out there.

I think it will be out there no matter what, having to have boosters just like the flu.

It shouldn't be anyone's business if others have no desire to be vaccinated, as long as those who are vaccinated are safe from the virus. But their not 100% safe.

There are those who have medical reasons not to be vaccinated so this virus isn't going to disappear.

But you will hear, isn't it better to be vaccinated and not die of Covid?

Yep, unless your one of the ones who die from blood clots or another serious side effect.

I have blocked arteries, it wouldn't take but a tiny clot to kill me. Plus other health issues.
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I don't think anyone who reaches 60 years or over has no health issues. Some known & some unknown.
I've had a bad reaction to an antibiotic that could have killed me - after taking it previously with no problem. That's why drugs & vaccines are "Rolling The Dice." You have to decide if it's worth the risk, & whether it protects. But those who chastise others who decide not to get a vaccine are fools.
 
Getting everybody vaccinated doesn't make the virus go away. I can say that because if that were not the case, those researchers and medical field people touting the vaccine would have included that claim. The intent of the vaccine is to prevent the person getting the vaccine from getting seriously ill.

My choice of words is purposeful. I am not a medical person and do not have the scientific background to speak with authority about the vaccine as many here in the forums seem to have. In my posts, instead of making proclamations, I try to be very clear as to what I know, what I don't, and what I think. Lacking that background and training/education, I can't tell others what to do regarding the vaccine, so it is best that I don't encroach on other peoples' choices to get it or not.

Tony
 
Statistics are wonderful aren't they ? So flexible and manageable. In the case of the current Wuhan flu, they can be used to demonstrate that the available vaccines are 99.999999% safe, or the exact opposite, depending on who gathers and presents the information.
 
tbeltrans said:
I think that whole thing surrounding Trump getting COVID was, at minimum, staged in true P.T. Barnum fashion. I don't know that for a fact since I simply wasn't there. However, the people I know personally who have had COVID, were, in their own words, more sick than they had ever been in their lives. That description seems very consistent across the people I know personally who have had it. As for any drug associated with Trump's "cure", I think that was all a part of the medicine show, since nobody else seems to have been able to show similar results or even to have taken whatever that drug was.

Tony
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You must possess “Celebrity Status” to be admitted to the hospital the day after you test positive for the coronavirus and showing few symptoms. Plus, given treatments not yet available except to a chosen few.
 

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