30.000 every winter die of the flu , and we were still living normal......
Somethings not right !,
Serious side effects- my opinion
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30.000 every winter die of the flu , and we were still living normal......
Somethings not right !,
They can stuff the vaccine........why should I protect the community when none of the people I know, have even adhered to the restrictions in the past 18 months
I will not be judged on my opinions , about the vaccine
If you want it .....have it.......but don’t judge people , you know nothing about .... , .
I will not be judged on my opinions , about the vaccine
If you want it .....have it.......but don’t judge people , you know nothing about .... , .
tbeltrans
Senior Member
That is certainly a possibility, I would think. However, if there really is such a cure, wouldn't it be touted instead of the vaccines that people are getting now?
Once again, I don't know Trump personally, nor do I know what the celebrity level hospitals (????) have that is not available to the general public. I simply don't have the medical expertise that so many here seem to have. So the best I can do is wonder why such a miracle cure, assuming what you say is truly informed, is not being made available to the public. I suppose I could guess at it and venture a possibility that the real cure is far too expensive to produce on a large scale, but I have to emphasize that this is just a wild guess on my part since I have no knowledge from which to make any claim of being "in the know" on it.
What I have been informed of from people in my condo association who are front line workers in local hospitals, is that those who go into a hospital with COVID-19 are VERY, very sick and it would be a miracle if these folks came out a day or two later in fine health. Again, I am simply passing on what those who work in the middle of this pandemic are telling me. It is not first hand knowledge on my part, so take it with a grain of salt.
Tony
digifoss
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- New Mexico
So even if everyone is vaccinated, those who are not are considered little more than a contagion? Thanks. I get the picture now.
tbeltrans
Senior Member
I had to take a statistics class in college. The particular class I was in, the professor didn't go "by the book", but instead went through a number of case studies indicating how a statistical analysis is structured and can be influenced to bring about a predictable outcome. So what you are saying is within the realm of possibility.
As I have been saying in this thread, I have no formal and/or direct knowledge of any of the studies being done, so my comment is only about statistics in general, indicating the possibility of truth in the quoted statement.
Tony
tbeltrans
Senior Member
I certainly hope that you aren't judged, because it is a personal choice to get (or not) the vaccine. The only judgement I can make is whether I want it or not. What the next person does is really none of my business.
Tony
digifoss
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- New Mexico
This is about where I am. What others do isn’t my concern. I just don’t know whether I want one or not. I’ve heard some horrible things so am in limbo.
I took statistics also. Results can be biased depending on who does them so one has to always keep that in mind while viewing statistics.
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tbeltrans
Senior Member
I just looked at your reaction to my post and it is clear you understood my point. You said it much more succinctly.
Tony
tbeltrans
Senior Member
...and that decision is yours and yours alone. Do what you feel is the best for you.
Tony
officerripley
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- Porlock, Calif
Here's my experience: Huzz and I got the 1st Vax shot about a month ago; no reaction. Got the 2nd Vax shot yesterday; Huzz's arm where he got the shot hurt for several hours. About 8 hrs after getting the shot, I got tremors and shaking (didn't feel cold, just couldn't stop shaking and hurt like I've never hurt all over, from the top of my head to the bottom of my feet and very nauseous (can only keep down room-temp 7Up). So pretty miserable.
However, a good friend of ours, very healthy guy, he and his wife both got Covid, hers wasn't as bad as his, he was in the hospital for 3 wks, doesn't even remember the 1st week (he had a temp. of 106 when he went in), and in the 2nd week before he turned the corner & was finally feeling better, he felt so bad that he called his wife & told her to come get him to he could die at home, didn't want to die in a hospital bed. (One of the nurses overheard him and begged him not to give up, we'll get you better.)
So yesterday when I was feeling even worse than I do today, I remember thinking to myself that if this was just a tiny amount of the way he felt when he had Covid--he said it hurt immensely to even try to breathe--I'm glad I got vaccinated.
However, a good friend of ours, very healthy guy, he and his wife both got Covid, hers wasn't as bad as his, he was in the hospital for 3 wks, doesn't even remember the 1st week (he had a temp. of 106 when he went in), and in the 2nd week before he turned the corner & was finally feeling better, he felt so bad that he called his wife & told her to come get him to he could die at home, didn't want to die in a hospital bed. (One of the nurses overheard him and begged him not to give up, we'll get you better.)
So yesterday when I was feeling even worse than I do today, I remember thinking to myself that if this was just a tiny amount of the way he felt when he had Covid--he said it hurt immensely to even try to breathe--I'm glad I got vaccinated.
Lewkat
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- New Jersey, USA
Well, a year ago, I had COVID and was extremely ill. So, when the vaccine was offered to us, I had it and yes I did react because I still carried the antibodies from my illness. But it was nothing compared to the actual illness itself. I also get a flu shot every year. I do know this much, I do not want to be near anyone not vaccinated now nor do I get too close to anyone who hasn't had COVID and recovered. It terrifies me to think it is possible to get it again, which is why I opted to get the vaccine.
Gaer
"Angel whisperer"
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- New Mexico U.S.A.
When I had such adverse reactions to the first vaccine, I was told to go to the CVC website and tell them. The website stated the side effects reported were sore muscles, expecially at the site of the innocultion.
My call was given to a CVC nurse,who told me
"It sounds like you had heart failure. And you're still alive? Under no circumstance are you to get the second vaccine."
I didn't.
My cousin got the Moderna shot as well and had all the same reactions I had,except the callapsing and passing out. She was seriously ill and in bed for four days.
My Aunt got Shingles a few days after the vaccine.
My cousin's friend, a robust healthy man who worked in the oil fields, suddenly died while sitting on his sofa, watching TV, the day after he recieved the vaccine.
No, I don't believe what they are saying. (It's hard to believe a lot of things these days)
But, Any side effects are better than getting the disease, unless you die, of course.
It's been a month and I'm just now getting my energy back!
My call was given to a CVC nurse,who told me
"It sounds like you had heart failure. And you're still alive? Under no circumstance are you to get the second vaccine."
I didn't.
My cousin got the Moderna shot as well and had all the same reactions I had,except the callapsing and passing out. She was seriously ill and in bed for four days.
My Aunt got Shingles a few days after the vaccine.
My cousin's friend, a robust healthy man who worked in the oil fields, suddenly died while sitting on his sofa, watching TV, the day after he recieved the vaccine.
No, I don't believe what they are saying. (It's hard to believe a lot of things these days)
But, Any side effects are better than getting the disease, unless you die, of course.
It's been a month and I'm just now getting my energy back!
Lewkat
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- New Jersey, USA
What kind of a nurse would say something like that over the phone? Good lord, she shouldn't even have a license.
So you collapsed and fainted. What else happened? I'm not getting the vaccine. Everybody I talk to who has had it gets sick in varying degrees and I just fear the LONG term consequences that we don't even know yet like developing an autoimmune disease. It could take years for these things to show up but there is no liability so if you do become seriously ill from it one day, you're on your own paying for it. Not to mention your body is ruined.
Gaer
"Angel whisperer"
- Location
- New Mexico U.S.A.
Let's see. Fast heartbeat, gasping frantically for breath, dry mouth, couldn't focus eyes, woosy, EXPLOSION OF EXTREME HEAT, hot sweats, wanted to rip my clothes off, (This is what my husband had, the immediate hot sweats, just before he died in my arms from a heart attack) , so I thought, OMG! I'm going to die! Let's see, Chills and shivering, couldn't get warm, feeling that I wanted to throw up but I hadn't eaten anything that day. I felt ALL my energy disappear from my body just before I collapsed. I could no longer stand up, everything went black.So you collapsed and fainted. What else happened? I'm not getting the vaccine. Everybody I talk to who has had it gets sick in varying degrees and I just fear the LONG term consequences that we don't even know yet like developing an autoimmune disease. It could take years for these things to show up but there is no liability so if you do become seriously ill from it one day, you're on your own paying for it. Not to mention your body is ruined.
I felt all my life energy dissapear from my body. That was scary!
I hate to talk about aches and pains and stuff. I'm pretty old but I have no pains. I'm in excellent health.
but my body is pretty pure. no smoking, no drugs, no drinking, I only drink water.
Wow! Am I boring!
and,
Most people don't have these side effects! That must be a consideration. I'd hate to deter you and have you get sick!
boliverchadsworth
Member
I am from the goverment I am here to help you....get your hysteria here get your ice cold hesteria here--
Gaer
"Angel whisperer"
- Location
- New Mexico U.S.A.
I only stated those because she asked for specifics.
I am in no way in hesteria.
Not so. It's not boring to be healthy. I'm really healthy also and I was listening to a doctor who also eats right, exercises daily, takes vitamins, gets lots of fresh air and he doesn't want the vaccine because in his experience it hits healthy people harder for some reason according to his research. A friend of mine who is considering getting vaxxed asked me if I had gotten it yet and I said no and told him why and he then told me his brother who also has a very healthy lifestyle also got terribly sick when he was vaxxed with Moderna. I haven't talked to a single relative or friend who has not gotten sick from this. It does seem to hit women harder for some reason but there was a male doctor in FL who died hours after his vax, one in CA the same and another in Mexico. If only they had waited and tested it properly. Now, I'll probably still be banned from life for being healthy and unvaxxed. It's so unfair.
I'm not one to take vaccines annually, like the flu shot, but that's my choice and may have a change of heart in the future. I have received the first Moderna vaccine for this potentially deadly coronavirus, and have an appointment for the second one.
My attitude is, I'd rather take a chance of side effect (none that I've experienced yet), than be put in a hospital with a COVID-19 infection, and potentially be put into an induced coma and attached to a ventilator. A procedure that I may or may not survive.
I'm sorry you had the virus and was so ill, I'm happy you're still here to talk with us.
I hope you don't have another occurrence of the virus....hugs.Thanks for sharing that very important experience, I hope you continue to feel better and better. I'm glad you got vaccinated too, important for you and to get this virus under control. Hugs.
Warrigal
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- Sydney, Australia
ATM we in Australia only have 2 options. The Pfizer serum is in short supply because it is being dribbled out to us from Europe. It has been reserved for 1A categories - essential front line workers and vulnerable seniors over 80 yrs old. We now have the AstraZeneca serum coming online, produced under licence in Australia. This is the serum that I will receive as part of the 1B category - people over 70 and all health care workers. It is AstraZeneca that is currently under a cloud because of some very unusual blood clotting side effects. This is showing up in younger people i.e. less than 50 years old, so the government has made the decision to stop vaccinating the over 80s with Pfizer and switch to AstraZeneca. This makes sense to me.
Hubby and I now have appointments for flu shots, then after a couple of weeks, first jab with AstaZeneca. I've weighed up the risks and will go ahead with the injections. I've lived as long as I have thanks to modern medicine and I'm not going to baulk now because there may be side effects. The whole point of vaccines is to shake up the immune system and for a short while there is a biological fight going on in the body. It is unsurprising that we feel unwell, especially after the second booster shot.
I may have to eat my words after being vaccinated but I am determined to co-operate with what is probably the most important community health program since my days at school, when for the first time a vaccine was available against polio.
Hubby and I now have appointments for flu shots, then after a couple of weeks, first jab with AstaZeneca. I've weighed up the risks and will go ahead with the injections. I've lived as long as I have thanks to modern medicine and I'm not going to baulk now because there may be side effects. The whole point of vaccines is to shake up the immune system and for a short while there is a biological fight going on in the body. It is unsurprising that we feel unwell, especially after the second booster shot.
I may have to eat my words after being vaccinated but I am determined to co-operate with what is probably the most important community health program since my days at school, when for the first time a vaccine was available against polio.