Another Killing

JimBob1952 said:
I'm not going to comment otherwise as the moderator tends to take my comments down.
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Now that's strange. I consider you the conservative voice of reason. Of course, my opinions aren't exactly considered worthy.
 

Aunt Marg said:
What just keeps gobsmacking me about this incident is... 26 years service!

26 years to get a feel for your sidearm.
26 years to get a feel for a taser.
26 years to learn how to control yourself.
26 years to recognize when you're in danger, and when you're not.

Boy, does my heart ever break for the family and loved ones of Daunte Wright.

A kid... still a boy, 20 years old with a full life ahead of him.

He had dreams, goals, ambitions, visions, and all was snuffed out in a fraction of a second due to some individuals grandstanding carelessness! :mad:
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The level of force was just unnecessary.

“I think that if officers can’t tell the difference between firearms and tasers, we need to re-evaluate whether or not they need to be carrying tasers,”

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/04/12/off...der-minnesota-law.html?recirc=taboolainternal
 
Aunt Marg said:
Just for once I'd like to hear a chief grow a set and slam incidents like this rather than defend them! :mad:
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The chiefs are almost as bad as police unions. I support unions in general but have been convinced for sometime now that the two worst unions in the country are police and teachers.
Both defend bad conduct and performance instead of shedding baggage.
 
Nosy Bee-54 said:
The chiefs are almost as bad as police unions. I support unions in general but have been convinced for sometime now that the two worst unions in the country are police and teachers.
Both defend bad conduct and performance instead of shedding baggage.
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Well said, Nosy Bee!
 
I'm the FIRST to criticize a police officer who abuses his authority. But this case is different. And this is not a Chauvin/Floyd case because (unlike Floyd) the suspect was not handcuffed or helpless.
The officer will not face any legal charges. The suspect was able to get back into his vehicle. In that scenario, a police officer's concern would be that the suspect will retrieve a weapon & the officer has the right to stop him any way he/she can. Therefore, it may not matter whether she used her Taser or her firearm, or whether it was intentional or unintentional.
 
What's amazing to me is, after all these years... after all the traffic stops... after all the incidents... after, after, after, you would think that another added procedure or two would be implemented to the list when pulling a vehicle over.

Wheel chocks in place, check, vehicle motor (off), check, keys of vehicle in officers possession, check, and I can think of a dozen more things that should be in place when tending to vehicle pullovers such as this.

Pathetic.
 
Just out of curiosity, is anyone familiar with Brooklyn Center? Is it poor? Predominantly Black? On TV it looks middle-middle class but that may not be the case.

I used to live in a town where the police had a terrible attitude toward the residents. It was a type of class warfare wherein the working class cops (23 of them patrolling a largely crime-free town of 6000 mostly wealthy people) took it upon themselves to harass, belittle and demean the residents every chance they got.
 
Pepper said:
Now that's strange. I consider you the conservative voice of reason. Of course, my opinions aren't exactly considered worthy.
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I'm conservative on some things, not so much on others. For example, my position on gun control is that all semi-automatic weapons should be banned outright. People with permits would be allowed to own bolt-action rifles, revolvers and pump or single-shot shotguns for sporting and home defense purposes.

That will never happen, so I usually just keep my thoughts to myself.
 
Aunt Marg said:
What's amazing to me is, after all these years... after all the traffic stops... after all the incidents... after, after, after, you would think that another added procedure or two would be implemented to the list when pulling a vehicle over.

Wheel chocks in place, check, vehicle motor (off), check, keys of vehicle in officers possession, check, and I can think of a dozen more things that should be in place when tending to vehicle pullovers such as this.

Pathetic.
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I see what you are saying and taking his keys would've been a start but all they had to do was shut and lock the door. The problem with him going into the car they don't know what he is going to do besides drive away, there could be a weapon or evidence of another crime

Personally I think was an accident. I'd have to check the video but some experts said from video it looks like the taser from the gun side which is not recommended. Tasers are new to many departments which means their training hours probably don't amount to enough time to imbed good habits.

I don't think she was playing hero but rather trying to get the situation under control. The suspect was wirey but that's the primary 2 officers job to deal with him.

The same weekend they release a video of what happens when an officer is not aggressive enough during a traffic stop.

https://kfoxtv.com/news/local/video...lled-during-traffic-stop-when-asked-for-rifle

Peace
 
Chet said:
Those who were shot deserve some responsibility. If they cooperated with the officers we would not be talking about the outcomes now.

Policing has to be many times more stressfull than when we were younger. It's not Mayberry anymore with the amount of guns being carried today.
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It's not just stops police are not well liked by many. But they also know many of todays criminals are much more brazen than decades. And police know this. Yes there were jack butt criminals and brutal cops but bothsides seem to have ramped up their behavior over the decades.

This was tragic and unnecessary but these criminal suspects were not choir boys nor did they behave like one. I don't know when I was young it was just assumed if you mess with a cop something like this would happen and I'm not talking accidently either.
 
Chet said:
Policing has to be many times more stressfull than when we were younger. It's not Mayberry anymore with the amount of guns being carried today.
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Since I’m not from the states I have no idea what it used to be like but I hadn’t really considered this before. If there are more citizens carrying guns then policing must be a lot more stressful.
That’s a good point. I’d make a horrible cop. Lol
 
Well, I know you're all adament about your opinions, but there is one thing I'd like you to consider.
I a split-second decision, in an extremely high stress situation, where the officer's mind is not on her equipment, but on containing the suspect, who is freaking out, i think it would be easy to grab the wrong thing.
Officers can go through some tense situations it's easy for us to look at this from a distance and make judgements, but unless you're in the situation, and went through exactly what the officer experienced, perhaps it's premature to make assumptions.
 
JimBob1952 said:
Chris Rock said it best:

"Some jobs, everybody gotta be good. Like … pilots. Ya know, American Airlines can’t be like, 'Most of our pilots like to land. We just got a few bad apples that like to crash into mountains. Please bear with us.'"

The ideal number of police killings of civilians would be zero, of course. And that should be the goal. It's definitely a hard job, but, really, "I thought it was my Taser but it was my sidearm?"
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Chris Rock is both hilarious and wise. He has a video on YouTube about compliance with police that is just great.
I can't link it here because he says bad words many times, but if that doesn't bother you just go to You
tube and search on "Chris Rock PSA How not to get your a kicked by the police."
 
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Say, I have an idea, when restraining the driver out of the car, do not keep him standing by an open door, duh. To the rear March, car door closed, with some sort of device to keep it closed.
 
Aunt Marg said:
What's amazing to me is, after all these years... after all the traffic stops... after all the incidents... after, after, after, you would think that another added procedure or two would be implemented to the list when pulling a vehicle over.

Wheel chocks in place, check, vehicle motor (off), check, keys of vehicle in officers possession, check, and I can think of a dozen more things that should be in place when tending to vehicle pullovers such as this.

Pathetic.
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Bingo baby.
 
Nosy Bee-54 said:
The mayor and city council were too slow to fire Kim Porter. With her resignation, she can collect her pension while working for another police department. I also found out today, that Brooklyn Center has 49 police officers and only 1 lives in the city. Simply put, law enforcement has no connection with the city and community they are supposed to "serve & protect" except for collecting paychecks.
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Even if she was fired, she would still collect her pension as will Derek Chauvin, unless the information in my manual is incorrect. (It is 4 years old.)
According to my manual, Minnesota is a non forfeiture state, meaning that all police officers, even if found guilty of a crime will retain their pension and retirement benefits. Maybe you can find out if that is still true today?
 
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Yes, noncompliance with an officer's orders is a factor in most of these shootings. But if an individual is involved with criminal activity, you can probably guess he's not going to be overly complaint with the cops. He's got a good reason not to be. Not knowing police procedure, it seems top me that there is a lack of training on how to deal with those, who are not complaint. I think the days of OJT, out of high school for becoming a police officer is long gone. The job is too complex, and dangerous for the police not to be well educated and well trained, and to be well paid.
 
I was watching a bit of the news last evening and the looting (stealing) and rioting that was going on out there. I have a hard time believing that Mayors of these cities don't allow their police to move in and take charge of these situations. This is what the cities pay law enforcement to do. I think city administrators have this false belief that if they just allow the mob to protest, things will work out better. But, for who? Not the citizens.

I was impressed with the state police's kettling. It seemed to be effective for as much as they were permitted to do.
 
fuzzybuddy said:
Yes, noncompliance with an officer's orders is a factor in most of these shootings. But if an individual is involved with criminal activity, you can probably guess he's not going to be overly complaint with the cops. He's got a good reason not to be. Not knowing police procedure, it seems top me that there is a lack of training on how to deal with those, who are not complaint. I think the days of OJT, out of high school for becoming a police officer is long gone. The job is too complex, and dangerous for the police not to be well educated and well trained, and to be well paid.
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I don't understand what it is that you are referring to. Do you think that anyone that wants to be a cop just applies and then maybe is hired? I can tell you head on that there's a whole lot more to it than just that.
 
Aunt Marg said:
What's amazing to me is, after all these years... after all the traffic stops... after all the incidents... after, after, after, you would think that another added procedure or two would be implemented to the list when pulling a vehicle over.

Wheel chocks in place, check, vehicle motor (off), check, keys of vehicle in officers possession, check, and I can think of a dozen more things that should be in place when tending to vehicle pullovers such as this.

Pathetic.
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JimBob1952 said:
I'm conservative on some things, not so much on others. For example, my position on gun control is that all semi-automatic weapons should be banned outright. People with permits would be allowed to own bolt-action rifles, revolvers and pump or single-shot shotguns for sporting and home defense purposes.

That will never happen, so I usually just keep my thoughts to myself.
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There are several reasons your logic concerning firearms is flawed:
Rats & Cockroaches sometimes run in packs. A single-shot shotgun is totally inadequate in a defensive situation, unless the victim can guarantee only one adversary. A potential victim would be helpless after one shot. Same issue with bolt-action rifles - limited capacity of 2-5 rounds which is adequate for hunting. Also slow to reload, slow follow-up shots if needed & the excessive power needed for long-range hunting endangers neighbors.
A revolver is fine, but you are limited to 6-8 rounds. Why do you suppose police departments use semi-auto pistols now? 15-18 round capacity & much faster reload.
A law-abiding citizen is entitled to have all the edge he can get; after all, criminals have no limitations on their weapons.
 

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