US is diversifying, white population shrinking

Well since the subject came up- is this a concern at all? OK, 2 potential issues: race and cultural. Are there concerns that "diluting" the white population is going to adversely impact the nation?

Cultural differences are what have the biggest effect. When groups that are overly and overtly religious gain power, they often want to legislate their beliefs, and that's never good. We're witnessing that right now in Afghanistan.
 

A lot of Hispanics are white. Mostly Spanish or Portuguese or a Spanish or Portuguese - Native American mix (mistizo). According to the Wikipedia article 65% of American Hispanics are white (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_Hispanic_and_Latino_Americans).

White American is a hard term to define, it is not really a race or ethnic group. According to Wikipedia if you count all who self-identify as white we are 72% of the population (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_Americans). However if you narrow that definition to non-Hispanics of European origin the number gets smaller.

See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Definitions_of_whiteness_in_the_United_States for an interesting discussion of "whiteness" in the US. As I originally said it doesn't matter much, but I do find it interesting.

Hispanics from Spain and Hispanics from Central and South America are in different categories. Hispanics from Spain aren't considered an oppressed minority. Hispanics from the Americas are.

What happens when Hispanics from the Americas are no longer a minority in the U.S.? Will they be considered an oppressed majority? :unsure:
 
Does it adversely impact the nation ? I suppose that depends upon where you live. I live literally a stones throw from the southern border. The VAST majority of my city is Hispanic. At least 50% of the clerks at the stores do not understand English well enough to answer a very simple question. 2 years ago I went to Walmart to buy an ironing board. I asked a clerk, who happened to be walking by, where are the ironing boards ? His answer ? "What are they used for ?"
I asked a McDonalds cashier to give me a fish sandwich BUT without any 'sauce". That confused the hell out of her. She had to call the mgr.
Once, I got run over by a Hispanic who got caught without a pass on the light rail system. 2 transit cops were questioning him. When the train stopped , he knocked me over as he escaped. At age 75, I needed to go to the hospital.
Those types of things sure as **** are negatively impacting my life.

I moved to Houston back in 1978 from a small town in N.Y. My buddy and I went to a pizza place in Houston that was run by Orientals. I have no idea where they were from but they barely spoke English.

So we went in and ordered a pizza pie with pepperoni, just like we always did up in N.Y. The Oriental guy working there told us, "We no serve pie." Understandably, we were confused, so we ordered again, but this time louder, thinking that might be helpful but again he told us, "We no serve pie." The third time, he just ignored us and we finally left without any food, totally confused.
 

Hispanics from Spain and Hispanics from Central and South America are in different categories. Hispanics from Spain aren't considered an oppressed minority. Hispanics from the Americas are.
An interesting question. Do you think Hispanics from Latin America that are 100% European extract are really treated differently than those from Spain or Portugal directly? Hispanic as we are using it is a hard thing to define.

One definition used by some government agencies includes any one descended from a person living in a part of the US before it was acquired by the US from Spain or Mexico. Under that definition I would qualify, my great great great (or so) grandfather was a resident of Pensacola when it was still a part of Spain, and when it was acquired by the US. His name was Williams and I doubt he spoke much Spanish, but there he was. Doesn't make me feel very Hispanic, but I guess I could claim to be. Not that I wouldn't be proud to, but it just doesn't seem true.
 
An interesting question. Do you think Hispanics from Latin America that are 100% European extract are really treated differently than those from Spain or Portugal directly? Hispanic as we are using it is a hard thing to define.

One definition used by some government agencies includes any one descended from a person living in a part of the US before it was acquired by the US from Spain or Mexico. Under that definition I would qualify, my great great great (or so) grandfather was a resident of Pensacola when it was still a part of Spain, and when it was acquired by the US. His name was Williams and I doubt he spoke much Spanish, but there he was. Doesn't make me feel very Hispanic, but I guess I could claim to be. Not that I wouldn't be proud to, but it just doesn't seem true.

I don't know. That poses the question: Can someone from Spain living in the U.S. claim to be an oppressed minority and benefit from affirmative action or other programs intended to help minorities? There's probably an answer somewhere on the interwebs, but I don't feel like looking. :ROFLMAO:
 
I moved to Houston back in 1978 from a small town in N.Y. My buddy and I went to a pizza place in Houston that was run by Orientals. I have no idea where they were from but they barely spoke English.

So we went in and ordered a pizza pie with pepperoni, just like we always did up in N.Y. The Oriental guy working there told us, "We no serve pie." Understandably, we were confused, so we ordered again, but this time louder, thinking that might be helpful but again he told us, "We no serve pie." The third time, he just ignored us and we finally left without any food, totally confused.
Okay. But in other states, pizzas are not referred to as "pizza pies" ... just as pizzas.
 
It takes time for immigrants who do not speak English well to learn our language, probably a generation. However it is a process that has been going on here for hundreds of years, and has worked out pretty well so far.

I guess the issue would be that, with undocumented people coming in at the rate of 200,000 per month, the Hispanic/Latin population (I'm not going to say "Latinx" as it's a totally bogus word) might reach some sort of critical mass in which that language and culture predominate. I'm sure that has already happened in some parts of the country. So assimilation would not be possible; it would be a matter of co-existence.
 
There has been a "Latino" interests group called La Raza (the race) for several years, who claim that the entire SW portion of the U.S. was taken illegally from Mexico during the Mexican American war in the mid 1800's. They refer to this region as Aztlan, and their goal is to return that region to Mexico. Since such a move is politically unlikely, it appears that the next best method is to populate that area with enough Latino's such that Aztlan will become a "de facto" Mexican State.

https://images.search.yahoo.com/search/images?p=aztlan+map&fr=yset_chr_syc_hp-s&type=hpsetv2Aug27&imgurl=https://i.pinimg.com/originals/d7/8a/68/d78a6819022b6f75cfd568b7c13c02b5.png#id=1&iurl=https://i.pinimg.com/original
Caucasian is too hard to spell for many, more I’d think. But African American and Latino are new names for groups of people that we used to group using other, non-offensive (?) terms. So why has no one come up with a better word than “white” for what are mostly European descendants? C’mon, white is the color of snow and I’ve yet to see even an albino who’s that white. Anyone have any ideas? Not that it matters but in our politically correct, offend no one times we live in, I don’t always feel adequately described by the term “white”. It just sounds too vanilla to me! 😊
 
"claim that the entire SW portion of the U.S. was taken illegally from Mexico during the Mexican American war in the mid 1800's" It probably was, in fact if you look closely most all of the US has been taken by what we would call illegal means by today's standards. Can't do much about that now, the statue of limitations has long run out. Time to do the best with what we have.

After all who gave those "Native Americans" the right to run off the sabre tooth tigers and wooly mammoths 20,000 years ago? Fixing that one will take a lot of genetic engineering...
 
"claim that the entire SW portion of the U.S. was taken illegally from Mexico during the Mexican American war in the mid 1800's" It probably was, in fact if you look closely most all of the US has been taken by what we would call illegal means by today's standards. Can't do much about that now, the statue of limitations has long run out. Time to do the best with what we have.
Yes, I've heard that before. Of course, all the Spanish names coming out of Mexico don't exactly sound Incan, Aztec, or from the other civilizations that were there before Spain arrived, now do they?
 
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Caucasian is too hard to spell for many, more I’d think. But African American and Latino are new names for groups of people that we used to group using other, non-offensive (?) terms. So why has no one come up with a better word than “white” for what are mostly European descendants? C’mon, white is the color of snow and I’ve yet to see even an albino who’s that white. Anyone have any ideas? Not that it matters but in our politically correct, offend no one times we live in, I don’t always feel adequately described by the term “white”. It just sounds too vanilla to me! 😊
Since I think all people should be called what they want to be called--thus me using the term "Latinx" above since I heard that's what some of them prefer--what term would you like?
 
Since I think all people should be called what they want to be called--thus me using the term "Latinx" above since I heard that's what some of them prefer--what term would you like?
Well, since you're asking, how about if you just call ME human? I'd also be pretty okay if that were a choice too on those forms where one must select their "race". I think that's why life is so hard, maybe. The human race is all caught up in the rat race! 🐭
 
Well, since you're asking, how about if you just call ME human? I'd also be pretty okay if that were a choice too on those forms where one must select their "race". I think that's why life is so hard, maybe. The human race is all caught up in the rat race! 🐭
Homosapiens, at least since agriculture was invented and the relatively egalitarian hunter/gatherer way of life was left behind, pretty much always been caught up in the rat race; therefore the efforts to try to make things more equal again, efforts which can indeed make life seem hard. Ah, but be careful: finding everything hard can either be a sign that things have been too easy for you before or that you're just getting too old to change. And as with other situations, you yourself can decide that you'll make an effort to learn to get used to or live with situations you find too hard or give up; only you can decide that.
 
That seems like too many words to think about. I think I'll stick with human and rat races. Thanks though for sharing your knowledge. The prefix, "homo" has kind of gotten a bum rap over the years though. Thanks again, fellow earth person!
 
I did see a TV show where a sociologist noted that white women tend to delay pregnancy for careers/college, while lower income women have more kids earlier, because their incomes aren't going to change by waiting- a minimum wage job is still going to be a minimum wage job. And lower income women hope that their kids can escape poverty, even if they can't.
The lower income woman's wages may stay the same but her costs are going to increase with every child and her kids aren't going to escape poverty if she can't put them through college. I was a minimum wage mother and could see that if I was having trouble paying for one child's food, clothing, school fees etc, having a new baby to provide for wouldn't help. I was married again by the time he was ready for college, but it still took almost my entire income to put him through school. Fortunately my husband earned enough as a USAF sgt to pay for our rent and food for four years while I did that.
Well, since you're asking, how about if you just call ME human?
I agree. I think we wont be able to stop our race problems until we quit dividing people according to "race." Discussions like this only point out how unscientific and pointless our definitions of each race are. In reality almost all of us are, "mixed race" unless we are pure African. The last I heard from anthropologists that's where humans started and people just changed color to suit the climate as they moved north, west and east. So if American's are "browning" so be it. Less skin cancer among the blue-whites such as myself.
 
The lower income woman's wages may stay the same but her costs are going to increase with every child and her kids aren't going to escape poverty if she can't put them through college. I was a minimum wage mother and could see that if I was having trouble paying for one child's food, clothing, school fees etc, having a new baby to provide for wouldn't help. I was married again by the time he was ready for college, but it still took almost my entire income to put him through school. Fortunately my husband earned enough as a USAF sgt to pay for our rent and food for four years while I did that.

I agree. I think we wont be able to stop our race problems until we quit dividing people according to "race." Discussions like this only point out how unscientific and pointless our definitions of each race are. In reality almost all of us are, "mixed race" unless we are pure African. The last I heard from anthropologists that's where humans started and people just changed color to suit the climate as they moved north, west and east. So if American's are "browning" so be it. Less skin cancer among the blue-whites such as myself.
" I think we wont be able to stop our race problems until we quit dividing people according to "race." Discussions like this only point out how unscientific and pointless our definitions of each race are." I do agree with that. Unfortunately, it isn't just us "ordinary, everyday" citizen who should quit dividing people according to race, it's those in power, not just those who have been elected but the non-famous who are in power--either they or their representatives are in attendance at Davos every year--who will keep doing it since it keeps them in power. Even those who are not in power but would like to be or approve of those who are in power. For example, I was talking to someone who works in the financial industry a few years back and he made a comment about how the global stock market was doing (not well at that point) and how what fixes things with the stock market is when the U.S., the "first world", and the northern European countries are more in control. So there you go again with that dog whistling of how important "race" is.
 
" I think we wont be able to stop our race problems until we quit dividing people according to "race." Discussions like this only point out how unscientific and pointless our definitions of each race are." I do agree with that. Unfortunately, it isn't just us "ordinary, everyday" citizen who should quit dividing people according to race, it's those in power, not just those who have been elected but the non-famous who are in power--either they or their representatives are in attendance at Davos every year--who will keep doing it since it keeps them in power. Even those who are not in power but would like to be or approve of those who are in power. For example, I was talking to someone who works in the financial industry a few years back and he made a comment about how the global stock market was doing (not well at that point) and how what fixes things with the stock market is when the U.S., the "first world", and the northern European countries are more in control. So there you go again with that dog whistling of how important "race" is.
I'ma start up a new thing, 4th world countries. We can all be human and we can all getta long. You wanna be a part of such a world or you wanna be apart from such a world? Your choice cuz you're welcome to do either. I'm doing what I can to make a better world even if it's only in my imagination. What about the second worlds? Who or where are they? I hear all time about first world this, third world that but second world never gets a mention. What's up with that? Semantics and pedantics, will they ever get along?
 
Since I think all people should be called what they want to be called--thus me using the term "Latinx" above since I heard that's what some of them prefer--what term would you like?

"Latinx" is not a real word. Spanish is a gendered language. And Hispanic people don't buy into "Latinx." It's a woke term used by the media and college professors.

This is from a Pew Research study:

"While some Hispanics say Latinx should be used as a pan-ethnic term, few say they prefer it over others. A majority (61%) say they prefer Hispanic to describe the Hispanic or Latino population in the U.S., and 29% say they prefer Latino. Meanwhile, just 4% say they prefer Latinx to describe the Hispanic or Latino population."

In fact, only about one in four Hispanics have even heard of the word Latinx.

http://hispanicad.com/sites/default/files/phgmd_2020.08.11_latinx_final.pdf
 
I'ma start up a new thing, 4th world countries. We can all be human and we can all getta long. You wanna be a part of such a world or you wanna be apart from such a world?
I'm in! When I went for my Covid shot they gave me a form to fill out and under the race question I checked "unknown," which must have bewildered the nurse because as I said, I am blue-white.
 
" I think we wont be able to stop our race problems until we quit dividing people according to "race." Discussions like this only point out how unscientific and pointless our definitions of each race are." I do agree with that. Unfortunately, it isn't just us "ordinary, everyday" citizen who should quit dividing people according to race, it's those in power, not just those who have been elected but the non-famous who are in power--either they or their representatives are in attendance at Davos every year--who will keep doing it since it keeps them in power. Even those who are not in power but would like to be or approve of those who are in power. For example, I was talking to someone who works in the financial industry a few years back and he made a comment about how the global stock market was doing (not well at that point) and how what fixes things with the stock market is when the U.S., the "first world", and the northern European countries are more in control. So there you go again with that dog whistling of how important "race" is.


If that were true, why do global corporations (the Davos people) talk incessantly about the importance of diversity? Why are companies like Microsoft run by "people of color?" Why have Asian companies like Alibaba and Tencent and Taiwan Semiconductor and Samsung been so successful in global markets?
 
If that were true, why do global corporations (the Davos people) talk incessantly about the importance of diversity? Why are companies like Microsoft run by "people of color?" Why have Asian companies like Alibaba and Tencent and Taiwan Semiconductor and Samsung been so successful in global markets?
Talking the talk isn't the same as walking the walk.
 
I'ma start up a new thing, 4th world countries. We can all be human and we can all getta long. You wanna be a part of such a world or you wanna be apart from such a world? Your choice cuz you're welcome to do either. I'm doing what I can to make a better world even if it's only in my imagination. What about the second worlds? Who or where are they? I hear all time about first world this, third world that but second world never gets a mention. What's up with that? Semantics and pedantics, will they ever get along?
Ask a rich person; they know. (Of course, you most likely won't get a straight answer out of them, but they know.)
 
Ask a rich person; they know. (Of course, you most likely won't get a straight answer out of them, but they know.)
A rich person? I'm a rich person myself but that depends on how one defines "riches". Were you speaking of money? Then there are many "rich" people of many ethnicities. Which "rich" ethnic person would you think best to ask?
 
Talking the talk isn't the same as walking the walk.

"Talking the talk?" Asians play a hugely disproportionate role in the global tech industry (and in finance, pharmaceuticals and many other sectors.) How did the supposedly racist business community let such a thing happen?

Your comments would indicate that you don't know anything at all about business. Maybe I'm wrong and you're a venture capitalist with an undergraduate engineering degree and a Stanford MBA. But I don't think so.
 


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