Vaccine is amazingly effective!

Irwin said:
People are against the covid vaccine and wearing facemasks because they don't want to be ostracized from their social groups, and they fear that's what would happen if they didn't go with the flow.
Click to expand...
How would getting the vaccine cause them to be ostracized from their social groups? I have 3 friends whom I drove to get their Covid vaccines. They knew I wasn't getting one; it made no difference to them. I also have 2 other friends who chose not to get the vaccine; the husband has health issues & (after a flu shot almost killed him) his doctor said, "No Covid or flu shots for you." His wife can get the vaccine; she chose not to. Also makes no difference to me.
It wouldn't cause a problem unless they started acting like some people here - getting a holier than thou attitude, or criticizing others' health decisions or (LOL) blaming them on the spread.
We see this nonsense in other areas with some individuals. One person will quit smoking or lose weight & it will go right to their head; they can't stop bragging & become put-down artists toward their other friends. Then they wonder why they lost friends.
 
I NEVER believe anything on CNN. Interestingly, the Conav-19 cases in hospitals have gone up to over 4,000 a week in our State. The interesting & what Dr's are trying to figure out. People that GOT both shots after 4 months or so they end up in the hospitals. They have beds in the halls. Not real bad cases of Conav-19 but they have breathing problems enough to put them in the hospitals.

I can attest to this as I got my shot in January. 4 months later I was in the hospital with Conav-19. They are trying to find out what's in the shots that are making people sick after 4 months.
 
Thanks for the link, but I understand those who don't believe CNN on things like this. I am not sure they are lying, but they do not do a good job of presenting actually useful information. They prefer the dramatic headline to real news... I don't trust Fox or most of the other news outlets either.

One problem in this article is the claim that "99.999% of fully vaccinated Americans have not had a deadly Covid-19 breakthrough case", that just seems too high to believe. However even if the number were lower it would be an important fact, we need reliable information. To CNN's credit they do show some statistics to defend the claim, 1,263 deaths out of a vaccinated population of 163,000,000 is in fact a death rate of 0.00077%, suggesting that 99.999% of the vaccinated don't die. However without knowing the % of the unvaccinated population that die its not a very useful statistic. Even assuming CNN's numbers are right, and they may be, they fail in not putting them into useful perspective.

That low number does not seem to jive with the anecdotal stories we hear, and not just from the news media. I do know one man who died of Covid after getting two shots, and have heard claims of a lot more. 0.00077% is up there with the number of big $ lottery winners, and I don't know many of those. I believe good statistics more than the anecdotal stories, problem is I am not sure how good these statistics are. At least the one man I knew did die after being inoculated, that I am pretty sure of.

This is important and we need to get it right. I do think folks ought to get vaccinated, even with the mixed bag of information we now have, I am. But I can understand with such confusing "information" why some are hesitant. I believe better more reliable data and information would result in more people making informed decisions, better decisions.
 
I was listening to talk radio last night on Sirius-XM. Another know-it-all doctor was taking and answering questions from listeners off of an 800 number. One question was—-“Why do people who were vaccinated still get the virus?”
His answer was something like “Because the Delta variant is not constructed the same as the first variant was, which is what the vaccine was designed to fight against using the immune system. The vaccine supports and adds special inhibitors to kill or deter the COVD (SARS) virus from infecting the person who was vaccinated.” NOTE—-The doctor gave the name of the first variant, but I can’t remember what it is. Also, what I wrote that the doctor said is not verbatim. It’s what I remember him saying, but is not exact.

He also said that so far all of the variants have had similar genetic markers and this is why the vaccine aids in fighting off other variants. I am not a scientist, but I think I understand his references. He also spoke about different Lymphocytes, which is where I kind of fogged up.
 
I don't rely on any One source for news....I flip through all the news channels, and Internet, and try to sort out the BS from the facts. Considering that virtually ALL of the media tends to "sensationalize" everything, so as to increase their viewership and commercial incomes, a degree of "skepticism" should be maintained.

That said....virtually EVERY news source and reports are saying that getting vaccinated is the Best way to avoid getting severely ill, or dying from this virus. Yes, there are "breakthrough" cases....not everyone can be fully protected by a vaccine....many already have health issues that limit the effectiveness of the vaccines. BUT...the vast majority of people are unlikely to get ill/die once they get vaccinated.

AND...given that this virus continues to "mutate", it is within reason to expect that there will be modified vaccines and booster shots needed in the future to try to bring this virus under control.
 
There is something in the woodpile. The scientist never got to who & how it got to the USA. No one punishing China for letting this get out of their lab. In a nutshell, this is germ warfare they were developing. They should have never been able to develop under the Geneva convention rules.
 
When big pharma & medicine 'experts' talk, give interviews etc onething that's rarely mentioned is that those vaxxed were not tested for antibodies from a prior asymptomatic infection. Or noted they had a full blown symptomatic infection prior to the jab/s.

How do they know wether the vax or natural immunity is preventing the virus in the vaxxed? Sounds like an important variable that's not included in many statistics/studies even with a footnote.
 
Last edited:
"Whatinthe"
Very true. They rushed this vaccine too fast, & they are still just doing a band-aid job of trying to figure out the next steps needed to be taken. As they use to say. "Haste makes waste" So in all the haste to get "something" on the market they wasted a lot of time to perfect a good vaccine & tests.
 
Tom 86 said:
There is something in the woodpile. The scientist never got to who & how it got to the USA. No one punishing China for letting this get out of their lab. In a nutshell, this is germ warfare they were developing. They should have never been able to develop under the Geneva convention rules.
Click to expand...

I, too, am highly skeptical about how and where this virus originated. Given the lack of cooperation from the Chinese government, I doubt we will ever know the truth.

Insofar as the "speed" with which these vaccines were developed, and made available...that is probably a Good Thing, IMO. Had the drug companies taken years to make these vaccines, and get full government approval, the current death toll would probably be several times greater than today....both here, and globally....and the daily death toll would be rising beyond what our hospitals and funeral parlors could keep up with.
 
Don M. said:
Insofar as the "speed" with which these vaccines were developed, and made available...that is probably a Good Thing, IMO. Had the drug companies taken years to make these vaccines, and get full government approval, the current death toll would probably be several times greater than today....both here, and globally....and the daily death toll would be rising beyond what our hospitals and funeral parlors could keep up with.
Click to expand...
That's exactly right. It's also the primary reason for vaccine reluctance. That, and the description of the mRna (in the vaccine) as an enzyme that converts a gene. Something that "alters your genes" is scary. And it sounds permanent.
 
Don M. said:
I, too, am highly skeptical about how and where this virus originated. Given the lack of cooperation from the Chinese government, I doubt we will ever know the truth.

Insofar as the "speed" with which these vaccines were developed, and made available...that is probably a Good Thing, IMO. Had the drug companies taken years to make these vaccines, and get full government approval, the current death toll would probably be several times greater than today....both here, and globally....and the daily death toll would be rising beyond what our hospitals and funeral parlors could keep up with.
Click to expand...
We need to remember, though....this vaccine was already in the works for at least a decade, in response to SARS.
 
WhatInThe said:
When big pharma & medicine 'experts' talk, give interviews etc onething that's rarely mentioned is that those vaxxed were not tested for antibodies from a prior asymptomatic infection. Or noted they had a full blown symptomatic infection prior to the jab/s.

How do they know wether the vax or natural immunity is preventing the virus in the vaxxed? Sounds like an important variable that's not included in many statistics/studies even with a footnote.
Click to expand...
I agree!

It's still being argued that 20-30 years ago doctors started over-prescribing antibiotics, ruining kids' immune systems. I never filled those Rx's for my kids. If they'd ever gotten sick enough to need antibiotics, I took them to the hospital. My youngest son got an infection in his knee when he was 5....inside, in the joint. Spent 4 days in hospital. But otherwise, for colds and stuff, they rested at home, got fluids and ate gramma's chicken soup, and were outside playing in a day or two.
 
Murrmurr said:
I agree!

It's still being argued that 20-30 years ago doctors started over-prescribing antibiotics, ruining kids' immune systems. I never filled those Rx's for my kids. If they'd ever gotten sick enough to need antibiotics, I took them to the hospital. My youngest son got an infection in his knee when he was 5....inside, in the joint. Spent 4 days in hospital. But otherwise, for colds and stuff, they rested at home, got fluids and ate gramma's chicken soup, and were outside playing in a day or two.
Click to expand...
I see the schedule young people on from infancy through teens for vaxxes and it's outlandish. Maybe one vax won't adversely affect a person but dozens might. Same for adults especially with other conditions, medications and general health. Vaxxes or the disease are an attack on the body, the body just like a country can only fight so many wars.
 
Murrmurr said:
That's exactly right. It's also the primary reason for vaccine reluctance. That, and the description of the mRna (in the vaccine) as an enzyme that converts a gene. Something that "alters your genes" is scary. And it sounds permanent.
Click to expand...

I'm sure there will be some lingering effects involving these vaccines. But, that's the case for virtually Every prescription drug...just listen to the "disclaimers" on their TV ads. Then, consider all the potentially harmful ingredients in most of the food we eat, anymore. Our entire existence is a "crap shoot". At my age, anything I can do to stay fairly fit and active for my remaining years is a Plus. It appears that many of the people my age who have survived this virus wind up as little more than an invalid....my wish is to run hard right up to the very end....and if these shots help me to do so, here's my arm.
 
I feel there will be huge problems with the after affects of the vaccines in years to come
It started with just vaccinating the over 80s , well fair enough, but vaccinating under 18s now....this is joke.........it was too quick to get a vaccination ready for use , How long ? 2 months .....!!........we won’t be having it here.........
 
I agree that the vaccines are effective and are saving lives
all around the World, in the 1000s, maybe millions.

I was reading an article today in the paper written by the
chief advisor to our Government, he normally runs an ICU
at a London hospital, he said that of the 22 people in his
ICU beds, 14 were on ventilators and 90% were unvaccinated,
the 90% figure is the same in all hospitals in England, give or
take a small number.

Those who have not taken the vaccine for other than health
reasons, should get it as soon as possible.

If you don't, I sincerely hope that you also don't get the virus.

Personally I don't condemn anybody who doesn't want it for
whatever reason, but I think that, that is a bit like Russian Roulette,
with your own life.

Mike.
 
I heard that one of the side effects that may not show up until years after being vaccinated is living not only a longer life but also living a life with fewer aches and pains in it. I wish I could share the article link with you but I can't remember where I saw it.

I guess that we might just have to wait years and years to find out for sure but for right now it seems to be working pretty well at preventing the spread of infection than before there was a vaccine. I, for one, think that that presently is remarkable.
 

You must log in or register to reply here.

Back
Top